mrttao

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it's just a punishment for players who decide to do something extreme
I don't think it is healthy to foster this kind of adversarial view with the players where you are "punishing" them.

Also, from the way you phrase it, it sounds like this is meant to be some sort of anvilicious moral lesson where if player does something you consider bad you "punish" them with NTR? rather than the NTR being the logical result of their choices?
That is really unhealthy for a game as well. for many reasons in many ways
 

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Will you allow players to go a more evil forced route? I think there's a lot of people that you could appeal to with that, even if it is in scenarios that lead to dead ends. If R*** is included but just limited to NPCs that would be kinda disappointing :/
NTR is not the goal of this game, so if extreme happens it is more likely from NPC action rather than MC, player goal is to possess all women without sharing,

There was a reason he had to do this which we will find out later. Therefore, if he allows the woman to be severely harmed, the game will be over without any inevitable circumstance.

Dangerous scenes for a player but might be pleasing to NTR fans are when he fails, but I'll make it easy to avoid and not spend too much time on them.

The goal of this game is for the player to try to overcome various obstacles to dominate the girls which clearly contradicts the NTR guidelines.

If there is violence then it is more to add weight to the reason for falling in love rather than making it in response to violence, of course I can draw scenes that are extreme but in this game I will try to avoid it as much as possible to maintain the true concept.
 

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You are using the japanese definition of the term which is used in the world outside.
But this site, F95 has tagging rules which uses its own custom definitions. And it commonly uses japanese terms but with different definitions.
Definitions are here
https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2021-05-02.10394/

Since intent (designed to cause jealously) is so hard to determine, it is basically focused on the second part of "romantic interest involved with someone other than MC".

So when people talk about terms in F95 they use the site tagging terms.
If someone rapes your waifu, this is NTR on F95 even though it is technically not part of the original japanese term.

Also Netori, where the MC is a bull who steals other men's wifes or girlfriends is NOT tagged as NTR on F95.
Instead it is tagged as [cheating] tag
Thanks, I asked this to my friend who likes to play NTR games and he said it was definitely rape not NTR which I was quite confused when I entered here.

Of course, for this site the game will be both NTR and cheating, but fans of this genre will be disappointed because it will have very light content.

The fun of the game is to speed up sex with girls when they are not ready, but if you don't have that goal and want to play it through the main story you will still find events that make girls fall in love with players already.

The important thing is that both the MC and the Spirit really love women. (The reason for that has yet to be resolved) Therefore, the game will not have the extreme action that is based on their will. (unless the player intentionally makes it happen which may be can possible in some circumstances)
 

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I don't think it is healthy to foster this kind of adversarial view with the players where you are "punishing" them.

Also, from the way you phrase it, it sounds like this is meant to be some sort of anvilicious moral lesson where if player does something you consider bad you "punish" them with NTR? rather than the NTR being the logical result of their choices?
That is really unhealthy for a game as well. for many reasons in many ways
Open-ended game is interesting but my goal is not NTR game, it's a simple principle like zombie shooter if it walks in and doesn't shoot you will be bitten by zombies, this game is the same.

I'm okay with NTR because 90% of my favorite artists paint both romantic work and NTR content, so I saw these works until I felt it was normal.

But I don't want it to be the main influence of this game because MC is a fictional character of the player, I don't want players to be losers so if your girl is bullied by someone else you will definitely go and help her, and if you don't help her it will lead to the end of the game.

NTR is the way I can but don't want to do it in this game, actually this game is almost vanilla but I don't want to avoid some violence in order to add weight to the results of some act.

Actually, I think if the heroine is harassed by NPCs, hugs and kisses, it's not a bad thing if in the end the MC can help her in time, these contents are common in girls' manga that elementary school kids like to read.

I've been reading a lot because my sister likes to collect them, now I have to start thinking about whether the normal events in manga can be violent in this game, now I will definitely try to reduce it rather than make it more intense.
 

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Thanks, I asked this to my friend who likes to play NTR games and he said it was definitely rape not NTR which I was quite confused when I entered here.

Of course, for this site the game will be both NTR and cheating, but fans of this genre will be disappointed because it will have very light content.
Glad I could be of help in clarifying this confusion.
Open-ended game is interesting but my goal is not NTR game, it's a simple principle like zombie shooter if it walks in and doesn't shoot you will be bitten by zombies, this game is the same.

I'm okay with NTR because 90% of my favorite artists paint both romantic work and NTR content, so I saw these works until I felt it was normal.

But I don't want it to be the main influence of this game because MC is a fictional character of the player, I don't want players to be losers so if your girl is bullied by someone else you will definitely go and help her, and if you don't help her it will lead to the end of the game.

NTR is the way I can but don't want to do it in this game, actually this game is almost vanilla but I don't want to avoid some violence in order to add weight to the results of some act.

Actually, I think if the heroine is harassed by NPCs, hugs and kisses, it's not a bad thing if in the end the MC can help her in time, these contents are common in girls' manga that elementary school kids like to read.

I've been reading a lot because my sister likes to collect them, now I have to start thinking about whether the normal events in manga can be violent in this game, now I will definitely try to reduce it rather than make it more intense.
Alright, fair enough. But that post you quoted was not meant to be about NTR itself.
Rather my point was meant to be that fostering an adversarial relationship between game dev and players is not that healthy.
 
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I didn't think it hard to understand. people who hate NTR hate it because they don't like to see another dick. NTR, nah. Netori well why not ?? that is it. it about ANOTHER dick. also rape, cheating whatever. bring it on. just give choice to do or don't no forcing player hand. some fine with extreme stuff like rape etc but hate it when no choice is present.
 

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Glad I could be of help in clarifying this confusion.

Alright, fair enough. But that post you quoted was not meant to be about NTR itself.
Rather my point was meant to be that fostering an adversarial relationship between game dev and players is not that healthy.
I'm sorry if it upsets the players, I'm comfortable with both NTR and Vanilla so what I'm trying to convey is just to clarify the concept of the game.

I used to poll in patreon about NTR and everyone told me to do what I wanted, but half said to give them options, and some friends seem to really like this game but he is not NTR fan so I decided to lighten it up for them.

The violence in the game caused by NPCs only happens to be a reason for girls to fall in love with the players, I'm not with the intention of causing it happen to destroy their feelings.

There may be some events that make players jealous that many people don't like, but it's one of the concepts of this game that shows the dark side of people's minds.

The same mood when you take a very beautiful girl to the mall, it is normal for other men to look at your girl, I can only hope that there is no problem with this feeling.
 

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i like the art, the story is still need some refining but i can see where this is going well played :cool:(y)(y):sneaky:
 
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✾ Now our friend here are helping me fix some English language of the game, if BaasB get the updated version please update it again ;)

✾ Increased game display speed (images and text printer will show faster), the game will not lag like before.

✾ It's an unfinished version and some variable conditions are set too high, for example in Sakura's H-scene it needs 80 dark energy to complete (nearly full) In updated ver. I've reduced it now.

✾ In the full version coming out about the middle of the month, Elena's sex scene and Sakura's H-scene will be edited to Live2D.

✾✾✾ A delayed update that didn't meet my goals due to a heavy data corruption at the beginning of the month forced me to rebuild the game. So you need to start playing again. I'm really sorry o_O
 
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Nudis

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"So tight... her breasts were completely attached to me!".

I hate to tell you, MC-buddy. That means YOU have breasts.
Gin231 is helping to improve my language. (Day 1) I totally understood my mistake because I had to laugh in embarrassment most of the time while editing the game script based on the information he provided :ROFLMAO:

I didn't have the budget to hire a translator anytime soon, so I had to ask him for help when it was convenient for him. Therefore, updating the language may take some time.
 
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Panther H

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Art looks VERY good, and I do appreciate the mention of avoidable NTR. I hope to see its completion one day.
 
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Let's see if they give me a clue, I stayed in the girl's room where a ritual was performed, where her clothes were being destroyed, the girl left, we spied on her, then I ended up in the ritual room, and I can't get out from there .... I can only click on the books in the library, but nothing else, I don't know what else to touch to get out of there.
 
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Let's see if they give me a clue, I stayed in the girl's room where a ritual was performed, where her clothes were being destroyed, the girl left, we spied on her, then I ended up in the ritual room, and I can't get out from there .... I can only click on the books in the library, but nothing else, I don't know what else to touch to get out of there.
There will be 5 click points. The magic book is hidden below the herb bookshelf.
 

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i cant buy vegetable i restart the game its still same
The game crashes some things while transferring data from Unit 2018 to 2020 and causing some weird bugs. Now I completely remake it and don't have that problem. If you are still interested in this game, please wait about 2 weeks for the full version, which is the version with many improvements in English.
 

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If you guys have any questions or would like to give me some advice, please join our Discord.
I'm online every day and ready to listen to every idea :)
 

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If you guys have any questions or would like to give me some advice, please join our Discord.
I'm online every day and ready to listen to every idea :)
The best advice is focus on making your game.
Getting feedback is fine, but don't get into every debate, getting everything "right". Try to please everyone and your game going to be a mess.
Show the product and you will get the support.
 
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