I don't like that id takes this way, fucking sleeping mom is a nonsense!!!!!!!???????
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Trile3
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In his comics Daval was playing with allmost rape themes,but in recent chapters TO and ID he crossed that "allmost" border.He is trying to show that Daniel is addicted and out of control,but in last update Daniel is shown as suicidal lunatic.
Davalfake
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What's this? It seems Daval doesn't know what to do with ID's story anymore
chikatani69
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This is pathethic , Daval on this point just retire man
I disagree. He should end the I.D series. Then he can focus on the ongoing ones and maybe finsh off one or two more series while they are still fan favourites.
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I always thought Freud's Oedipus complex—part of his theory of infantile sexuality—was flaky, not least because in the Greek myth he referenced, Oedipus had absolutely no idea that Laius was his father when he killed him, nor that Laius's widow, Jocasta—whom he subsequently married and fathered children with—was his mother: the very opposite of the relationships in modern nuclear families. In the myth, as I'm sure you already know, when the truth eventually came out, Jocasta hanged herself in shame for what she had done, and her son Oedipus, overwhelmed by guilt and revulsion, blinded himself with her brooches and went into exile.
(While I wouldn't mind seeing Oedipus' fate visited on Daniel I would prefer a much better one for Lana than Jocasta.)
The truth is much simpler: Daniel is a sex-obsessed teenager who wants to have as much sex as possible with the sexiest and most gorgeous women he has seen, or almost certainly will ever see, who happens to be his mother. He is a completely unprincipled young man bereft of a single scrap of honesty, honour, higher nature or shame who is prepared to do anything, literally anything, to get his way including getting his mother drunk, manipulating her while she is vulnerable, assaulting repeatedly without her consent, and even drugging his own father to maintain access to her. I can't remember seeing Daniel do a single selfless thing for Lana, a person he has put in jeopardy multiple times because if the incestuous relationship he has with her were made public, and they ended up prosecuted, in many countries around the world Lana would be sentenced to a long custodial prison sentence and the pair forbidden from seeing each other: Daniel of course, being a young adult, would be treated more leniently and probably escape jail.
The Daniel character isn’t doing what he does because he has to, or because he’s driven to it, helpless in the grip of some psychological imperative—he’s doing it because he wants to fuck his sweet, loving, and beautiful mother for the pleasure that fucking her gives him. The little creep revels in the power he has over Lana, dominating and bending her to his will, and he’s a big enough piece of shit to keep doing so indefinitely or at least as long as he can.
That's ID in a nutshell and, my friend, is a pity because it could have been so much more.
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Abduxuel
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Thanks for that and saving me the trouble of doing something (not quite the same) but similar.
Abduxuel
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Guys, Lana is "asleep" because she's been drugged by the soporific Daniel used to spike his father's coffee. The little shit knows this full well and yet takes advantage of his mother while she is insensible and unable to consent to or refuse his advances. This is no different from any other incident of "date rape" where an unscrupulous man (or men) violate a helpless girl, or woman, unconscious after unwittingly having been dosed with an illegally administered drug. In other words it's a crime of rape and, for me, beyond the pale.
Daniel ID
He went from doing it with his mom to being a rapist
He went from doing it with his mom to being a rapist
_OBLIVION_
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Well I can't wait to see Daniel white knights defending this atrocity to your perfect queen Lana
and they all talked shit of how bad Uncle Peter is you can't make this shit up First Sylvia with Alice from Together and now this POS I knew he was evil incarnated
Lana created such a disgusting monster holy shit, subs are going to ignore all of this because is all mighty Daniel of course LMFAO pathetic.Plot armor in this rapey comic is way too strong so something like that is expected
but Uncle Peter is a monster that deserves nothing am I right .Here comes the philosophical retarded ass essays
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8TB
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Immoral Desires Chapter 12 pgs 21-30 AI TRANSLATION & UPSCALE [~3200 x 2200] (upscaled, edited, and typesetted courtesy of yours truly, 8TB):
NOTE: On page 27, Kiara suggests something rather idiotic, i.e. the possibility that Daniel got lost in his own home. So I changed it a bit, and provided an "ad lib" so that she would come off as less stupid. Enjoy!
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NOTE: On page 27, Kiara suggests something rather idiotic, i.e. the possibility that Daniel got lost in his own home. So I changed it a bit, and provided an "ad lib" so that she would come off as less stupid. Enjoy!
8TB
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That's not quite what I asked. But if the question is too crass, consider it dropped.
And as I'm sure you know, the name of the complex wasn't named because the behavior exhibited was to a tee a mirror image of Oedipus. You're only arguing nomenclature, now.
Then he is not "sex-obsessed." He's obsessed with physical contact from his mother, and his mother only. That's a notable difference. Every female in the comic, with the exception of Rosa, seems to be attracted to Daniel. But Daniel has only ever expressed interest in Lana even in charged moments with other women, namely Sofia and Martha. Even when Kiara, Sharon's friend, expresses interest in him, he doesn't appear to give it much, if any, attention.
Yes, he's been willing to do anything to carry out his interests, but he's been forthcoming about those interests with Lana. So his lacking a "scrap of honesty" isn't based on anything.
Daniel never got Lana drunk. Lana got drunk on her own at the end of Chapter 9 because she was frustrated with Alex passing out.
Yes, he has done this.
He hasn't assaulted her.
Yes, he has done this, and I admit that's pretty messed up.
Why do you guys keep compelling me to recall this moment? What about the end of Chapter Eight when that stranger tried to "recruit" Lana, subsequently groping her, and Daniel rescued her, shoving that stranger without thinking twice? Seeing as the man was much larger in physique than Daniel was, would his putting himself in harms way be considered "selfless"?
Yes, that's the theme with which Daval proceeded following Chapter 4. I think he believes (I'm only guessing) that their willingness to do anytime or any place is a measure of how intense their love and lust is. The consequences of exposure is intended to provide stakes, and a fallback on which Lana can return when she's not fully invested. The culmination of everything that has gone on is intended to eventually have Lana fully commit.
The consequences are ultimately controlled by Daval. And given his V.I.P. comics, Lana and Daniel's public shenanigans are rather tame. If his V.I.P. characters haven't ended up in jail, I doubt Lana or Daniel will.
The two aren't mutually exclusive. And given this recent update, not to mention, the previous others, I would heavily disagree with Daniel's not feeling a compulsion to have sex with Lana.
Exactly. Because as I have stated before, it's not just the Oedipus complex Daval has broached with Daniel, it's also the male power fantasy. It isn't breaking news that Daniel is trying to dominate and bend Lana to his will. And Lana in her thought bubbles has expressed an attraction to this aspect of Daniel. If Daniel wasn't aggressive and assertive, Lana would probably have done less than 5% of what she has done. Daniel's character traits are necessary to push Lana out of her comfort zone and indulge her IMMORAL DESIRES. Otherwise, she'd have absolutely no incentive to cheat on Alex. (In all honesty, her reasons for cheating on Alex are silly.)
No offense, but I don't think you've assimilated the events of the previous 11 chapters to recount this entire story "in a nutshell." I think you're more focus on shitting on Daniel, for reasons known only to you. There are just a few people in whom I'm confident actually knows the nuances of Immoral Desires' plot. Nevertheless, I'm not here to change your mind, only rebuff the errors in descriptions that are far from accurate.
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At this point, I can't help but feel that all this shit would have been avoided if only Daniel was allowed to fuck the other girls, you know... you can only do a few kind of story with just two character fucking, but I never imagined Daval would go this route, I was expecting anal and pregnancy, not literal rape.
This is such a shame because Daniel was also the best looking MC, although he always had a possessive attitude, especially in the first issues where Lana wasn't as convinced, this is going too far, I don't know what's wrong with Daval, but this kind of scene seems like a scene from his other and more controversial content.
This is such a shame because Daniel was also the best looking MC, although he always had a possessive attitude, especially in the first issues where Lana wasn't as convinced, this is going too far, I don't know what's wrong with Daval, but this kind of scene seems like a scene from his other and more controversial content.
8TB
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I think too much is being made of this. But perhaps that's my own experience both in my own personal life, as well as reading content of this nature. I've both read and translated hentai where the main male character has sex with a sleeping female character (e.g. Natsume Benkei plays on this theme a lot with his works Mainichi Okaa-san de Seiyoku Shiori Chapter 3, and Neteiru Okaa-san o Yaritai Houdai, or Miyabi Tsurzuru's Nemuri Haha, or Horsetail's Kaa-san Janakya Dame Nanda, or one I've translated, Oba-san no Karada ga Kimochiyo Sugiru Kara Vol.2.) Heck, I've seen sitcoms (e.g. Everybody Loves Raymond) make fun of the idea of having sex with a sleeping partner, i.e. when main female character Debra Barone points out to her husband, Raymond Barone, her disappointment of his diminishing sex drive because he used to spend every waking moment wanting to have sex with her, and at times she didn't even have to be "awake."
I'm not a fan of exporting interpersonal boundaries, and the lines we draw, to the authority of "today's age." That's not to say that Daniel "can't" rape Lana, but take a moment to actually analyze what went on, and not just react to what went on:
Daniel goes into her bedroom noting how deep she's sleeping, and correctly attributes this to the sleeping pills she, and I'd be remiss if I didn't remind everyone of this, mistakenly took. Daniel did not intend for her to take it. Second, Daniel notes to himself, almost challenging himself to wake her up by "playing with her." And he also notes to himself that even after minutes of eating her out, she's still asleep. Not once does Daniel think to himself how easy the sex is because Lana is asleep. Because we know from these 12 chapters that it doesn't matter to Daniel whether Lana is awake or asleep, he wants her. And if she were awake, he'd convince her, resulting in Lana putting up little if any resistance. And finally, with every crime, there's a guilty mind, i.e. Mens rea. Not only did Daniel not drug her intentionally, but he's not even having sex with her because she's asleep. He's having sex with her because Lana is Lana.
8TB
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Please spare the exaggeration. For those who are proclaiming this is rape, may I ask, where were those sentiments when Daniel did this?Imagine if Lana dies he will rape her lifeless body
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My responses aren't geared to invalidate anyone's feelings. If you're upset by this, then you're upset by it. What my responses are attempting to do is dispel this notion that Gen-Z descriptions of interpersonal contact take priority over the sentiments of the people involved. And since Lana did little to protest or even admonish Daniel actions during this encounter, why would she feel particularly "violated" during this recent encounter, should she ever find out?
Are you guys going to stop reading Immoral Desires? If not, then isn't that tacit admission that you're okay reading depictions of "rape"?