slimypettanko

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Just tried to play, and my PC immediately cried "VIRUS" and quarantined two Viruses.
There were no viruses in my crack, the crack was actually very simple: the RPG Maker archive that was extracted from the protected exe, this archive does not contain executable code that would flag any antivirus and the game.exe which is the default RPG Maker engine the game used, the file was not packed or modified and it's identical to the file used by many games. That would leave either start.exe which is part of the DRM, but is not used at all, and maybe the original game exe if it was included, which is also part of the DRM. The protection used PlayDRM is actually Enigma Protector, which is a full fledged protector, virtualizer/obfuscator, and those are popular with malware authors. If it was just the start.exe and a backup of the game exe then deleting those files won't prevent game play at all (the game does not use them). Feel free to let me know which of the files it was, I will redownload OP's upload to check as well.

Edit: I looked at the mediafire upload, there's just 1 exe, Game.exe which is the original RPG Maker exe that is used with all those RPG Maker games. I have no idea what else it would be?

Edit 2: Seems it was just the unmodified game exe. Jotti reported 4 positive detections out of 13 total tried. That's a bit high, but really strange given that the file is as clean as possible. Open it in IDA Pro or any disassembler you want, you'll see statically linked C runtime (MSVC), and a handful of very tiny functions that do nothing but load the RPG maker dll and its exports...

Edit 3: I found the cause. It seems when I dumped the exe out of RPG Maker, I had opened it in a PE editor, which corrected its SizeOfImage field (that's just 2 bytes. old value is 0x27000, new is 0x26AA8), this does not change the functionality in any way, but it changes the file hash, which some antivirus might be relying on to whitelist it. This is the scan of the 0x27000 one, the 0x26AA8 gets 4 detections.
I've attached 0x27000 version if anyone wants it, you can compare in any hex editor that it's just 2 changed bytes as well.
 
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NTR is essentially 3 genres, shoe horned into one(cuckholding). Netorare(contra netorase\netori) has more to do with emotion\feeling, as you're meant to identify with the victim(the one being NTR'd). It's not supposed to be a fun "swapping" experience, so to speak.

This is what bobdillan was refering to. There doesn't need to be any actual connection or relationship between the protagonist and his love interest, for it to be Netorare(though it often is), only the concept of the protagonist having feelings toward the woman being swept away. Hell, NTR doesn't have to be non-consensual at all, and the female love interest can simply just have gotten a boyfriend.The important thing is, again, the protagonists viewpoint and position.

Example: Say protagonist is a shy introvert hikimori. He doesnt' go out, doesn't interact with the cure girl next door, and all he does is watch her from afar. He's madly in love with her, but unable to actually do anything about it, or interact with her. But, through his immense stalking, he knows that she is single! She's available for his affection(irregardless of how realistic or unrealistic this is). We get taken into the mind of this protagonist, made to identify with this poor sack, then, the twist. Suddenly he sees a strange man entering the house! A little timelater, he hear sounds, and then, he can spot through a little gap in the curtains, the unmistakenly sight of lovemaking! His world is crushed. All the fantasies he had of asking her out, her saving him, them dating, then getting married, all of this stolen by this mystery man! This evil, horrible man(that's simply her new boyfriend, that's probably a nice dude, but we don't see him from 'their' perspective, we see it from mr hikkimori's perspective), corrupting the love of his life infront of him!


That is NTR.

So in spirit of this, sandwich NTR is "possible", lol.
I agree. I mean if I was some sort of sex slave owner I wouldn't want my sex slave to have sex with other people and especially not without paying.
 
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Mjunh

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There were no viruses in my crack, the crack was actually very simple: the RPG Maker archive that was extracted from the protected exe, this archive does not contain executable code that would flag any antivirus and the game.exe which is the default RPG Maker engine the game used, the file was not packed or modified and it's identical to the file used by many games. That would leave either start.exe which is part of the DRM, but is not used at all, and maybe the original game exe if it was included, which is also part of the DRM. The protection used PlayDRM is actually Enigma Protector, which is a full fledged protector, virtualizer/obfuscator, and those are popular with malware authors. If it was just the start.exe and a backup of the game exe then deleting those files won't prevent game play at all (the game does not use them). Feel free to let me know which of the files it was, I will redownload OP's upload to check as well.

Edit: I looked at the mediafire upload, there's just 1 exe, Game.exe which is the original RPG Maker exe that is used with all those RPG Maker games. I have no idea what else it would be?

Edit 2: Seems it was just the unmodified game exe. Jotti reported 4 positive detections out of 13 total tried. That's a bit high, but really strange given that the file is as clean as possible. Open it in IDA Pro or any disassembler you want, you'll see statically linked C runtime (MSVC), and a handful of very tiny functions that do nothing but load the RPG maker dll and its exports...

Edit 3: I found the cause. It seems when I dumped the exe out of RPG Maker, I had opened it in a PE editor, which corrected its SizeOfImage field (that's just 2 bytes. old value is 0x27000, new is 0x26AA8), this does not change the functionality in any way, but it changes the file hash, which some antivirus might be relying on to whitelist it. This is the scan of the 0x27000 one, the 0x26AA8 gets 4 detections.
I've attached 0x27000 version if anyone wants it, you can compare in any hex editor that it's just 2 changed bytes as well.
while i may not understand most of the above lol i do appreciate you going the extra mile i now feel it is safe to whitelist this game were as i was just going to toss it aside like i did with the last game. thank you for your work.
 

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Alright so i've completed the game (payed off all the debt she has) and you know what? the game just say *lobelia payed off all of her debt after a hard time* and that's it... not even a H-gallery... what a game
If you didnt lay a hand on the girl and let her just pay her debts can you fall in love with her and have a happy lovers ending?
 

d4rkn3ss0000

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.... you should take your own advice, NTR by its definition doesn't need to be lovers... it can be property, possession (as in itme they possess), simple crush. This one falls under property/possession.

Also I literally told you the definition... it directly translates to "To be taken from." having a possession taken from you counts.

NTR isn't cheating. Sure some cheating is NTR, but NTR isn't another term for cheating, they are different things.
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NTR is a broad term, it isn't specific to only certain criteria where a character is taken from in a specific way, is just taken from in any capacity. How anyone in the situation feels about it, is irrelevant (unless MC is into it, then it becomes Netorase).
Not really, its depend on how the male lead take it too. For example if he get "annoyed" by it, then it could be called as Netorare. If MC into it like what you said, its Netorase. AND IF MC doesn't care either way, its not NTR/Netorase, its simply.... nothing. In this case, MC doesn't seems care at all, so its not NTR/Netorase.
 

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NTR is basicaly from monsters, met during missions, aka hazard damage.
Since said mission are done as to pay the debt, who is a responsible ?
Guess it depend if virgin as the start of the game, of he had her before she is raped by one monster aka hazard.
Else, if so, MC is an idiot, ho, wait, about 75% of the game here have idiot as MC. Not sure why but here it is, again.
 

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F95 user definition of NTR: if someone other than the MC has sex it is NTR. A scond male Char is NTR. A 3some is NTR when the girls interact too..... everything is NTR :KEK:
that is what i learned here on the board ^^
 
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The game has now also become available on Steam:
 

SoberSphagghett

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If someone steals my sandwich am I being NTR'd? :eek:
If you or the thieving SoaB want to fuck the sandwitch, then yes. If you want to date the sandwitch, then yes.
If you both limit yourselves to eating the sandwitch, then it isn't NTR. It's theft. The sandwitch doesn't exist after being eaten.
The Sandwitch exists after being dated or fucked.