VN Ren'Py Defending Lydia Collier [v0.17.0.2] [White Phantom Games]

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juice2000 said:
Look ill explain it easier. Lets say your playing Mass effect, at various points your asked about your back story. You have multiple choices, all different. None is true until you choose it then it becomes canon. You cant pick more than one, the other 2 cease to exist once you pick one. Like with Tiffany you can only pick one the other 2 answers fail to exist and if you so happen to not like your outcome you can reload and shape your character/Tiff differently.

The fact we as an outside entity with the power to see all options available does not make all options canon. The choice you pick and how you choose to shape her should and is the only path that matters in how and who Tiff or any other character is. Much like in a game like Mass Effect again Sheperd is neither Paragon or Renegade until you choose it then the other options become invalid EVEN though they exist with the construct and the code of the game.

Ide just like to add as well while i respect some may like to have a characters personality and motives layed out from the first time you set eyes on them. Its alot more fun to some to get to know sombody and who they are and if at any point its not to my taste move on. Add a bit of mystery and realisum to the game rather than have it all layed out on a platter to pick through.

Regardless of either opinion on the matter a dev should not be called out in the ways they have on here because they choose to not give everything to the players at once and add a little realisum into meeting people.
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Every time someone want to explain/justify some kind of kink or certain action/dialogue/objects, their excuse always involve realism. Because of realism, a love interest need to be a cumdump, a whore that everyone can have a ride, they are all must have a shady past that definitely involve sex. Regarding to these things, they are in the past so they don't matter anymore as someone may say.
When players suddenly discover what they don't expect(180 degree turn), then blame those players choose some wrong choice/decision. Yeah, who to blame?:WaitWhat: Definitely the players.:HideThePain:
 
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NebulousShooter said:
Since it's you I am going to make an effort, one last time, just beacuse it doesn't qualify for a specific tag doesn't mean content can't be designed to do the exact same thing, thats why its commonly called technically not type content. Everyone not disingenuous on this topic gets it, the fact that it was popularized by Inceton should give everyone a hint why it exists in a specific case.

Its not NTR, but what kinda player do you think gets his PP hard watching sex tapes, photos and loves hearing in autistic details about other men fucking the person they are romancing? :WaitWhat:

What narrative purpose do you think those type of scene have in the story? What type of audience do you think its targeting, what sort of emotions do you think they are designed to evoke? So you see, the game indeed shouldn't be tagged, but it also shouldn't insult peoples intelligence with loopholes and mental gymnastics, maybe a less misleading OP disclaimer than 'All fetishes are optional' would serve better a vanilla player stumbling into this thread, don't you think? At least it would be a start, since transparency is everything in our little genre.
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If Tiff or Steph talking about their past is targeting some specific audience, we have to agree it's a poor attempt. Because this audience surely doesn't want just read what they did before meet MC, right? I really don't think any real fan of ntr/cuck will get any hard or satsfaction from just read Tiff telling she was already in a foursome in the past while MC rail the shit out of her during her first married night:BootyTime:
That's why i don't see this as a deliberate move from the dev to put certain type of content while at the same time avoid a tag. If this is the goal wouldn't be more logic just make the classsical non-canon extras scenes which is what incento does? It sure will hit the target audience better than only few lines of text.
You and anyone else of course can not like and critize this type of information about a character and how it was delivery (in a midle of a sex scene). I see a point in this critics either. I'm just saying "not like something doesn't automatically make this thing the kink you dislike".
 
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I really enjoy this game but the dev needs to chill out with side plots. Now he has to juggle like 10 Ellie route permutations because he added 4 side chicks that are middling at best. Please, spend your time on more content for the main cast. I can handle not being able to fuck every single woman in the game.
 
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Phegor said:
I can handle not being able to fuck every single woman in the game.
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That is the textbook example description of a "you" issue.
So you only want KN games or just full harem fuckfest? :unsure:
 
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c3p0 said:
That is the textbook example description of a "you" issue.
So you only want KN games or just full harem fuckfest? :unsure:
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How did you infer that from my message? I'm saying I don't like loads of optional, minor love (sex) interests and prefer a focus on core cast, be it one or ten characters.
 
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Phegor said:
How did you infer that from my message? I'm saying I don't like loads of optional, minor love (sex) interests and prefer a focus on core cast, be it one or ten characters.
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First is a given and second is an assumption.
I can handle not being able to fuck every single woman in the game.
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The only way a game has one single path that you can fuck every women in it is either KN or just a fuck fest, where choice are don't really have an impact on the story.
 
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c3p0 said:
The only way a game has one single path that you can fuck every women in it is either KN or just a fuck fest, where choice are don't really have an impact on the story.
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You misread my original message. Let me reword it: I'm okay if there are female characters that I can't sleep with.
My problem is the dev here added several side characters that are inconsequential to the plot, but the decision if the protagonist slept with them or not has to be acknowledged for the conversations to make sense. Thus increasing development time.
 
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c3p0 said:
First is a given and second is an assumption.

The only way a game has one single path that you can fuck every women in it is either KN or just a fuck fest, where choice are don't really have an impact on the story.
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Can you please explain a KN tag? Not sure I've heard that before, and I don't know what it means.
 
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Ironic, if we can share one of the chicks in the future, it’s the one I don't really care for :HideThePain:
 
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WhitePhantom said:
Can somebody tell me how to get the swinging scenes in this game please, I can't find any where I share my girlfriend and go swinging?

Asking for a friend! :geek:
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The dev is only teasing for now and sharing a lot of info on what his preferences are, probably testing the waters. Not sure why he is trying to hide it, we all know it by now.

But you can directly ask him. :4Head:
 
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WhitePhantom said:
Can somebody tell me how to get the swinging scenes in this game please, I can't find any where I share my girlfriend and go swinging?

Asking for a friend! :geek:
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The F95 definition of the Swinging tag is:
  • Swinging [A couple allowing one or both partners to have sex with a third party.]
Haven't played the update since it's just a beta, but if any of the LIs is having sex with other people (with MC's knowledge), on or off-screen, it falls under swinging. The v1 tags don't do a good job of covering open or complex relationships and the v2 tags will come out right after Half Life 3 does, so it's all we got for now.

You're the dev, so you'll know best where the story is going.
 
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