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You mean a consent form like the Farm content has had for almost 2 and a half years now, you know, long before Patreon's guidelines were even an issue?
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I thought you of all people would post a joke on April 1st. Somewhat disappointed in this thread
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Bro, WE ARE the joke in this thread. Mulan's been making empty promises for half a decade now and we're still hoping that he'll make a real update one day lol.I thought you of all people would post a joke on April 1st. Somewhat disappointed in this thread
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You don't get it Mushu the real update was all the jokes, memes and banter we made all this time.
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I really wonder what will happen to this site after Patreon acquires it.
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don't remember that, but soon patreon will have you 'consenting' to every little thing. some things i agree with are the anti-bestiality shit and anti-incest.
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Not sure if you read Mulan's comment relating to this exact issue being brought up, but the comment heavily implies that nothing in game is actually changing based on the guideline changes. The Patreon page and Discord will likely be cleaned up, but the content of the game, which is hosted on MEGA not Patreon, seems to be remaining the same. The consent form is like both I and someone else already said, an extension of content filtering that already exists in the game at the Farm entrance.
I don't see the massive issue here. If Mulan doesn't feel like the game will survive transferring to another site or believes they can toe the line enough without going over it with Patreon, they aren't going to move anywhere else to possibly lose money and kill the game. Milking the Patreon for all it is worth while they still can is the correct move.
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Non-consent roleplay in fiction is not permitted by their rules. We're talking roleplay done by fictives characters but that is somehow offensive to the point of being censured. I can write the story of a killer that use a lawnmower on kids in a nursery but hypnofetish fiction is too much.
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The majority of non-consent in the games we are talking about is also not "roleplay". It's just fictional non-consent. Run of the mill porn sites will no longer produce results when searching for words like "hypno", "hypnosis", or "mind control". The pornography industry started taking a hardline against non-consent porn awhile ago, I'm not sure why this continues to be a surprise to people.
As far back as 2021 Patreon had a clause in the 18+ category of their guidelines that stated "fetish creations that are hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex" are not allowed. That statement has always included hypnosis/mind control, the only difference now is that they specifically call them out. Which begs the question, why haven't they been banning for it up until now? Most likely because they make a non-insignificant portion of revenue from it. It's very much don't ask don't tell, which is why the bans have not started rolling in en masse. Patreon is not constantly patrolling creators' pages and are really only making moves against creators in blatant, egregious violation. Since the guideline update, we have even seen a few games that were under review be given the OK by Patreon, even though the content of the games are still definitely in violation of the guidelines, the creator's page and social media are just now considered "clean". The changes are still and have always been just for optics. All that's changed is toeing the line got a little bit harder.
Regarding your comparison to ultraviolent content still being allowed as long as it's fictional, not much I can offer besides: that's just the way it is, at least in America (which Patreon is an American company). Basically any kind of violence is okay, but a lot of legislators would kill to ban ALL forms of pornography, not just non-consent. See: Texas.
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You know you can just put an uncensor patch on f95 and call it a day right? This is such a non issue, my god y'all are overreacting.
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patreon is run by cuckservatives and prudes from texas most likely.
The problem isn't about practical solution but about the principle that fiction is unnecessary censored . There are solutions but that problem shouldn't even exist in the first place (I speak only about fiction not deepfakes or real humans crimes).
I don't understad why pay processors and card companies can be alowed to censor fictional content or art, i would understad if they were drug or human traficking related issues, but censoring art or porn is stupid.
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It's like how a store owner can choose not to stock certain brands at their store because they don't like the product. They aren't discriminating against an idea or person, they just don't want to be involved in those transactions, be it for personal, political, or legal reasons. To them, it is safer to just not handle the related transactions at all, and they are leveraging their market share to force the companies they work with to comply as well. It's what happened to OnlyFans, as well as Pornhub back when they were forced to remove over half of their video library. They've just now moved on to Patreon.
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Howdy! Here’s what’s up:
This is the last progress report before the update. We officially ran out of things to report on - just making sure everything we’ve talked about works as intended and as good as it can be.
The pole event was the last “big” artwork needed for the update. Now I’m going to draw some things that aren’t really required for the update (like a “consent form”, manly handshake, more cum etc.), while Moana is coding in the rest of the update and the pole itself.
In this post I’ll talk about the second pole event, it’s repeatable version and how exactly it will all work, but first - here’s a couple of notes:
- About the censorship on the teaser.
Patreon recently changed their guidelines and I’m not sure what to make of it. Here’s their new “Permitted adult content”:
“Animated or illustrated works (e.g. cartoons, comic strips, graphic novels) that depict nudity in sexual contexts as long as they comply with Patreon’s other guidelines.”
And here’s one line from their new “other guidelines” that confuses us:
“NOT Permitted adult content”:
“Aroused human genitalia (e.g. erect penis or wet vagina, whether clothed or not)”
It looks like “Other guidelines” prohibit pretty much everything. I don’t think it’s that bad, we probably misunderstood something, but just to be safe - I temporarily censored Kira’s “genitalia”. Uncensored version of this image will be in the game.
- As for the art itself, the golden masks that the pole-men are wearing were a placeholder I used since I wasn’t sure what faces to give them. I’d keep them as is, but the H-event has a serious undertone and they’re just too goofy
So they now have relatively normal human faces in the game. With that out of the way, let’s talk about the pole:
The upcoming pole H-event is a bit different from everything we’ve done so far. It pretty much consists of small random H-events that play out in a row and are all tied together with a common theme - the pole itself.
The pole is kind of like a job, Kira is supposed to spend an entire day on it (if she wants to that is), and it's only natural that she will be visited by all kinds of characters. Which is why I drew three “base” poses for her - Alone, One partner and Two partners.
The interactions she can have there are determined by Kira’s Lust, her Fetishes and some choices she’s made along the way.
Some visitors will take selfies with her, some will draw profanities on her body, others might want to sleep with her (if she allows it) or even milk her. And hey, maybe you’ll get a visit from someone you already know?
The deciding factor in what will actually happen is Kira herself and to give you more options we’ve created a little “consent form”:
After a brief introduction to the “pole girl” life, Kira will have to fill out this “Consent form” - and it’s there to give you an ability to direct what kind of content you want to see in this particular repeatable H-event. As well as to show you what content you didn’t unlock yet and how to get it.
This form is not a one time thing - an option to change it will show up whenever you’ll click on it when interacting with the pole.
This way, you will be able to both learn event requirements and pick what type of content you want to see. Maybe some mini-events will not be to your liking, or maybe you’re only interested in one type of thing - any combination will be possible.
The general idea behind this is to give you more options and to simulate the experience of working as a “pole girl”. Eventually we will add even more interactions to this particular place, but it won’t happen soon - so we’re making sure the ones that we have are as good as they can be, with some limited animations and visually interesting art.
Now, that’s how the actual event will work, now let’s talk about the whole deal Kira made during “A Modest Proposal”:
Kira has agreed to either murder Gulag or work as the pole girl once a week. The murder option will already be implemented and it has a whole side-quest attached to it (“Counter Offer”).
Completion of this side quest doesn’t end the pole job and Kira doesn’t automatically murder Gulag. It’s just meant to be there as a guide on how to get rid of this presumably unpleasant deal. This quest just unlocks an option of killing him - you’ll still have to make a conscious choice to do so.
As for the seven day part of the deal, it turned out to be much harder to do than we expected, so the time limit won't be enforced for now.
We want to make it so that every seven days (if this deal is still active), the Guards will become hostile and actively run after Kira every time she gets in their line of sight. On top of that we wanted to randomly spawn more guards, “enforcers” that would try to drag Kira back to prison.
Of course Kira will also be able to fight back, so there’s also an option to casually murder a lot of people. And while I’d love for this feature to be a part of the upcoming version - it’s just really hard to do properly and the majority of work rests on Moana's shoulders and we’ve decided that she should drop this idea for now and focus on the H-events.
I honestly run out of things to say, but everything I told you in this report and my prior reports will be in the upcoming version, and I’ve been talking about it for a really long time, so it is indeed as big as it sounds.
I waited with this report to the very last moment, hoping we would somehow manage to crunch what’s left over the weekend, but we didn’t manage.
This month I primarily finalized everything and to be honest wrote more pole mini-events. One thing led to another, and now it has three poses. Similar ones, but still.
Moana has to still properly animate it, similarly to our last “Mother” event, with zooming-in and some other camera movements.
That said, after this version we’ll focus on smaller updates. This one is just structured in such a way that it’s almost impossible to cut anything out - it’s meant to be played as a whole.
P.S: “Option 3” won Katya’s outfit poll.
Thank you for your patience and support!
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Sorry Mulan, seems like Patreon's got your ass here. No more wet genitals for you sir lmao
But all jokes aside, I really don't see an issue here