jd0817

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Does anyone know where or how to get sex toys?
Been a while, but I believe the only place to get sex toys is from Sirris's shop. You have to help them fix up the dilapidated building on Elk Street on Fridays in the afternoon (4-8 pm) for a couple weeks.
 
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Yep, I wouldn't be so against dating her if she got a redemption arc after being taken down a notch, but of course, we need that "school bully" for the entire playthrough
The thing is, if a player doesn't like Whitney, they can dismiss them, but the lack of options is a recurrent problem with all the romantic interest along with the lack of agency.

Robin: Since the Robin update dating them is just struggling, if you don't pay they get rape, if you get stun-lock by the huge amount of rape they get rape, if you get kidnap by a side character for weeks they get rape. The only way to progress is to throw away money constantly and pray that your MC don't get kidnap while Robin remains naive knowing what could happen.

Kylar: If you are faithful, don't date anyone else, treat her with care and love... Whitney randomly tell lies about the MC cheating on them and triggers the kidnap event where Kylar breaks all the character progress, returning to square one, and if you don't get stockholm syndrome you lose the chance to access the manor.

Whitney: As mention before, they remain as the bully even when you beat the shit out of them and rape their ass, the school still thinks you are a loser and Kylar is still harassed even if the player has Whitney dominated.

Sydney is the only one with agency from the player, with two clear paths to choose, although, you can't choose keep them virgin without consequences.

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All off this boils down to characters having no progress due to established roles; Robin needs to fill the role of the dork who gets abuse and humiliated, Kylar needs to fill the role of the creep stalker and Whitney needs to fill the role of the generic bully. The game just refuse to let these characters grow for better, they can only become worse to make their roles stronger and more clear.

I wish there is an update that let characters developed and grow, however, in order to do so, existing bad writen events need to be remove or change to allow such thing.
 

fraazx

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The thing is, if a player doesn't like Whitney, they can dismiss them, but the lack of options is a recurrent problem with all the romantic interest along with the lack of agency.

Robin: Since the Robin update dating them is just struggling, if you don't pay they get rape, if you get stun-lock by the huge amount of rape they get rape, if you get kidnap by a side character for weeks they get rape. The only way to progress is to throw away money constantly and pray that your MC don't get kidnap while Robin remains naive knowing what could happen.

Kylar: If you are faithful, don't date anyone else, treat her with care and love... Whitney randomly tell lies about the MC cheating on them and triggers the kidnap event where Kylar breaks all the character progress, returning to square one, and if you don't get stockholm syndrome you lose the chance to access the manor.

Whitney: As mention before, they remain as the bully even when you beat the shit out of them and rape their ass, the school still thinks you are a loser and Kylar is still harassed even if the player has Whitney dominated.

Sydney is the only one with agency from the player, with two clear paths to choose, although, you can't choose keep them virgin without consequences.

---===TLDR===---

All off this boils down to characters having no progress due to established roles; Robin needs to fill the role of the dork who gets abuse and humiliated, Kylar needs to fill the role of the creep stalker and Whitney needs to fill the role of the generic bully. The game just refuse to let these characters grow for better, they can only become worse to make their roles stronger and more clear.

I wish there is an update that let characters developed and grow, however, in order to do so, existing bad writen events need to be remove or change to allow such thing.
I mean, it couldn't be hard to code in like an event gate, so that it forces the PC to do all Whitney event first then the dismissive event for her, in order to make her realize the pain she caused and try to do good if the PC decided to not go through with dismissing her? Or is it? (though it would make the game a bit restrictive compared to before I guess)
 

Jimbobthehomohobo

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I mean, it couldn't be hard to code in like an event gate, so that it forces the PC to do all Whitney event first then the dismissive event for her, in order to make her realize the pain she caused and try to do good if the PC decided to not go through with dismissing her? Or is it? (though it would make the game a bit restrictive compared to before I guess)
The problem isn't code to switch to another set of behaviors, it's having a second set of behaviors. I would love to see Whitney change, but it requires doubling all the scenes that involve them, and all future scenes. I assume that if something does happen it would have to be the focus of an update as having it half done would either end up with Whitney randomly acting with old behaviors when encountering scenes that haven't been rewritten, or the game skipping a bunch of Whitney content if it just skips things that haven't been rewritten.
 

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The problem isn't code to switch to another set of behaviors, it's having a second set of behaviors. I would love to see Whitney change, but it requires doubling all the scenes that involve them, and all future scenes. I assume that if something does happen it would have to be the focus of an update as having it half done would either end up with Whitney randomly acting with old behaviors when encountering scenes that haven't been rewritten, or the game skipping a bunch of Whitney content if it just skips things that haven't been rewritten.
Right, forgot about the part of having to type the story out, though having the dismissive event be gated until all previous event involving her are cleared should still be a viable option to avoid rewriting everything since the previous events can be categorized as Whitney the bully then after the dismissive event, bully is switched for Whitney the reformed or something (unless there's something that I don't know about)
 

lraas

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Its the type of content they could make once they are done adding random "new" content like pregnancy, new locations, new LIs, new animations etc. I guess the problem is that the planned content pile is more enormous than Whitneys dick. Personally I'd love it if they fleshed out the existing content more than adding new.
 

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Robin: Since the Robin update dating them is just struggling, if you don't pay they get rape, if you get stun-lock by the huge amount of rape they get rape, if you get kidnap by a side character for weeks they get rape. The only way to progress is to throw away money constantly and pray that your MC don't get kidnap while Robin remains naive knowing what could happen.
i got 2 ideas for "rent" both requiring English check to convince the Bailey, 1 paying in advance 2 paying monthly rent. i would balance both by 1 making paying in advance cost 1.1 times more (2000 to 2400) and 2 making month cost 4.5 weeks at the highest(before the game stops increasing it so at the start(example start of the game 100,300.500,700 700 would be the amount x4.5))
 
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Right, forgot about the part of having to type the story out, though having the dismissive event be gated until all previous event involving her are cleared should still be a viable option to avoid rewriting everything since the previous events can be categorized as Whitney the bully then after the dismissive event, bully is switched for Whitney the reformed or something (unless there's something that I don't know about)
Also it needs to be what the majority want. There have been polls run and Vrelnir is usually pretty active with the players to get ideas. So it can be a thing, just after a certain mass of people want the same thing. Also that sounds like major things, since they have to just add so much.
A long term goal to give the characters more personality would be a great idea though. Maybe do the Sydney approach and have the player influence them one of two ways. That way there's enough for multiple playthroughs but not so much that it overwhelms the writers.
(Actually my brain just recalled as I was typing what I was thinking of. Throne of Ashes. Each character has a main personality and two potential versions of themselves that depends on your playthrough. Those two will be opposites of each other but their main personality and ideals are still the same.)
 
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Also it needs to be what the majority want. There have been polls run and Vrelnir is usually pretty active with the players to get ideas. So it can be a thing, just after a certain mass of people want the same thing. Also that sounds like major things, since they have to just add so much.
A long term goal to give the characters more personality would be a great idea though. Maybe do the Sydney approach and have the player influence them one of two ways. That way there's enough for multiple playthroughs but not so much that it overwhelms the writers.
(Actually my brain just recalled as I was typing what I was thinking of. Throne of Ashes. Each character has a main personality and two potential versions of themselves that depends on your playthrough. Those two will be opposites of each other but their main personality and ideals are still the same.)
In the last five surveys or so, in the question about what is the main aspect that players like, dating romantic interests is on top, you can check it out yourself. However, all the recent updates has been rape or new non-related mechanics like pregnancy.

Improving the side characters seems like the main objective from the surveys view, however, these has been neglected.

Its the type of content they could make once they are done adding random "new" content like pregnancy, new locations, new LIs, new animations etc. I guess the problem is that the planned content pile is more enormous than Whitneys dick. Personally I'd love it if they fleshed out the existing content more than adding new.
Definitely, not only romantic interests are under-develop, also a lot of mechanics and places. The brothel, the underground brothel, the police station, the dance school, all of these places have a lot of potential, not only new events but also storylines. However, the most neglected place of all is the school, with the never-ending grind for popularity with bullshit events and no compensation.

Also, I would love to see the combat/sex improve, with more dialogues and different personalities for different NPCs. For example, if you pick a college student who is virgin at the bar, they call you a bitch mid sex, or when you pick a married wo/man, they start beating you even if they where the ones nervous about it. More consistent random dialogues for random characters would be very good.
 

Boardguy

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Does anyone have any idea where I can get the patch/restored version of the game? Catbox is being shit and won't load and the link provided did nothing.
 

Koyaga

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Does anyone have any idea where I can get the patch/restored version of the game? Catbox is being shit and won't load and the link provided did nothing.
Not sure of the version you are looking for. If you are talking about the latest one, there are several links on page one.
 

MRN64

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Its literally not worth messing around with. The only thing that changed is a few minor references and naming conventions and literally nothing major was affected. The whole thing and the absolute mental breakdown and schizo posting surrounding it is a giant waste of time.
 

MRN64

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All it "restores" is a few instances where the PC is called a kid instead of teen/young adult or off hand mentions simliar to that. A full 99.9% of the game is the exact same. Its basically equivalent to taking a body of text the size of lord of the rings and swapping 12 words in it.
 
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