FruitSmoothie

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Wow huge update, nice.

Just here to say I hope the dev knows the reason a lot of people are passionate about criticism and such of the game is because most of us have already been playing/enjoying the game for a while and we see its potential/are hoping for more. Easy for people to get caught up in the negative/stuff that we don't have yet (I myself am guilty), but this is a pretty cool game already. Looking forward to how it progresses.

Pretty unique style of game I wish we had more of.
 

skyline_pj

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Everything is correct here, transcendental in this context meaning the knowledge in regards to depravity has broken beyond the bounds and that the character knows a lot.
You don't understand the meaning of mine.
Awareness below 990 becomes Awareness level 1.
Awareness 100, 300, 500, 800, 900, all level 1.
Cheat are abnormally applied.
If you apply the Awareness Cheat yourself, you know what it means.
 
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You don't understand the meaning of mine.
Awareness below 990 becomes Awareness level 1.
Awareness 100, 300, 500, 800, 900, all level 1.
Cheat are abnormally applied.
If you apply the Awareness Cheat yourself, you know what it means.
I see now what you mean, I'm sorry to jump into a conclusion so quickly.
 

Midge

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0: This game could use a lot less rape, like 90% less, and shorter scenes, like 90% shorter, as well as something other than the same blatantly auto-generated dialogue. Dialogue which is about 50% of the game, and 90% ignored after the first dozen rapes.

1: The ability to mend clothing that you are NOT wearing. (Also fixing the bug that completely ignores the fact that you are wearing tattered clothing and can't repair it, until you remove it, at home, and put it back on again.) Heck, give us a changing room there, at least. Also, in the store. We can teleport new clothing home, but we can't see our available inventory of clothes or teleport tattered clothing to the tailor?) Oh, and realistic prices to repair. Costs me $30 to fix a tattered $5 shirt. Seriously... How about selecting the clothing to mend, or just replace.
2: Who are we being raped by again? "She", and "Her"... I know it was someone I knew... Oh Yeah, it was Whittney... Freaking use HER name. Or, at-least repeat that at the top. "You are being raped by ..." Whittney, 10 wolves, a he-she... Something.
3: Senseless identifiable words to describe levels, where a simple progress bar would have honestly been better. Am I successfully kicking her ass? It's almost damn near impossible to tell with the choice of "leveled" wording hierarchy that is being used. Plus, more damn text to read. For the billionth rape.
4: No-one likes a million choices. That is one of the things that killed block-buster, while gas-station movie-rentals sky-rocketed. It's called neural saturation, and it's a real bad design choice. Like entering a first-production Boeing-747 cockpit with a million buttons and only about a dozen are actually needed. A picture is worth a 1000 words. For the love of all things good, kill the words, show a foot kicking, a hand grasping, a mouth about to suck. And move the damn radio buttons to the front of the word, not the end. That is totally ass-backwards to logic and standards. Or kill the radio-buttons and just highlight the selection text. CSS and javascript was invented, partially, for that reason. Also, if there is only one choice, remove it from selection, or at-least select it for us.
5: This is horrible writing, even for generated text. I get it, it's generated text, but it's horrible in any language to write like this...
"She approaches you. She takes your hand. She licks your eyebrows. Her vagina thrusts onto your cock. She rides you like a banshee. She is driving you nuts with all her third-person, heartless dialogue. She, She, She, Her, Her, Her, if you are still reading."
Try this...
"Whittney approaches you AS she takes your hand. Your eyebrows get saturated AS her tongue slides across them. A warm and wet vagina envelops your cock AS she begins to ride you like a toy horse. Screaming like a banshee, you go crazy, AS there is little obvious micro-dialogue AND your heart actually races AS you read something with substance. We convulse, WHILE our juices flow AND her squirting pussy gushes lust, WITHOUT a million she and her pronouns used"
6: How about... "There are 10 people here. Select someone to..." rape / molest / fight / rob / flirt with / seduce / talk to
Providing a list of random individuals, with characteristics you can choose from. As opposed to being limited to only random, bountiful, nearly endless, rapes. A perfect way to also "define a character", by the choices made.
7: Reminders of tasks, needing to be done, at the top of every normal page. Not nested in an odd sub-menu, at the bottom. Also, some sub-menu organization. A lot of things are just totally out of place and better suited together, not spread across multiple places.
8: Kill the horrible empty-lines, multiple empty lines that just push all the actions through a nasty scroll-zone. Which needs to be done every time, multiple times, per multiple interactions. Having to scroll and click and click and click and click, repeatedly, is a horrible design. I'm on a 4K screen and I still have to scroll because everything is double-line spaced and has tons of dead lines of nothing between random text that is undesirable to read.
I literally edit the page, live, using F12, and killing the double-line spacing, and odd width-limit, just to stay sane. However, I can't kill all the empty lines, which are hard-coded for some reason. At-least it fits on, almost, a 1080p area. Thankfully, I have a 4K screen to make it all fit, after editing it. Less of an eye-strain that way too. Easier to read, if I hadn't already read it all, within the first 10 min of game-play. While I was being raped in the endless forest by endless wolves and random groups of people.
9: Needs more "unique" encounters... Love the ones that are there, a LOT... Individually, as twisted as they are.
- At-least three neighbors, for each of the three neighborhoods. Some kind of progressive, random, but specific, encounters of various forms. In both consensual and non-consensual flavors. Maybe a peeping-tom task, a pantie collector task, a person just wanting to watch you jerk while wearing various girls clothing.
- An alien abduction, with a return, obviously... after being probed and given a gift or burden, temporarily.
- An alternative to Robin's Domination, or removal of the mention, if it can't be done. (Seems I missed it... Became her protector, but the option is still there, doing nothing. Not sure it did anything before.) Also, is it HER dominating me, or ME dominating her? Those options are real unclear, every time they are used.
- etc... Just more "flavor" to the stew. So there is more to do, than just continue the endless rape.
10: Taking the bus... Please, just show the damn map. Another pointless wall of text that could be simplified with just more existing pictures. A 2-click solution with a hover-over description is sufficient to get to any sub-location, within the existing locations. Also, identify which places can be walked to, if you are going to restrict movement. Still not sure why that is even restricted. Could be like the buss, but simply stopping at each point along the way, checking for events to happen. As it is, you can make one move and end-up, back, half way across the map in the other direction, just because something happened and an event left you there. No where near where you were, or were headed. Map stepping-traversal isn't that hard to code, and it's just annoying when stepping is simply forced on you, for no honestly logical reason, that is needed.
11: My poor little guy STILL has a vagina when his pants or shorts get wet, instead of his cock. Reminding me that it would be nice if you actually used some of the assets to represent some of these people we are interacting with. Don't ask how THAT reminded me of that... Guess it was just nice to see someone other than myself up in that corner for once... My twin sister stand-in, um, standing in... the corner... with transparent wet pants... Now I feel dirty!
Ok time to address some of these suggestions and i put your "needs less rape" comment as suggestion 0. Oh to those complaning about tone beware it's really hard to convey/confer the proper tone through text in general so don't just ignore what could be valid criticisms just because someone comes of as sounding like a cunt.

0) Rape is a staple feature of this game and i feel it has the right amount but if you mean you want it to occur less frequently the you can use a "low profile" style of play(wear conservative cloathing, don't stay out at night etc) or you can just lower the Event rate in the options. If by shorter scenes you mean shorter encounters(fights) they get shorter as your skills improve, but if you mean shorter events then the longest ones i have found don't go for longer than a few pages(6 tops[the drug kidnapping]) and i don't find that to be an issue myself. And the "as well as something other than the same blatantly auto-generated dialogue" what is the alternative? This issue seems to be baised on coding and not the flavour of the dialogue but maybe you could list an example of a "good" version of this or at least suggest the alternative you think could be better.

1) I agree with this one.

2) I don't use a persons name all the time i speak to or about them and usually just say it once then refer to them by their pronouns from the one but if you get confused over something like that then Eh seems like a you problem.

3) It also uses colour with the text. Would numbers be better? seems like a style thing.

4) No-one likes a million choices? Speak for yourself. I prefer the many over the few, it lets me make a more character driven choice over being limited to just 2 or 3 choices. And mail order rentals killed Blockbuster not choice. As for the radio buttons being on the front/back i couldn't careless.

5) Yes it would sound/read better in the way you put it the way it's used now is a part of the action tracking system readout. So it's more fuctional rather then stylised, Sounds like another coding problem. And you used "Whitney" once and(lo and behold) a million she and her and your pronouns used after that in your example.

6) I'm fine with the faceless NPC masses with the occasional Named NPC. I don't need a long pointless list of everyone at a place just the standouts and relevent action list and we get that already or do you need 3 Teds and a Kelly hanging around at a place. I thought you were against needless choices?

7) I agree these tabs need some organization.

8) Aesthetics meh.

9) I agree with this and we are getting them slowly but surely.

10) I think the bus is fine but i am getting a little tired of being thrown around the map by NPCs. It should be a rarer occursion.

11) Sounds like a bug, Vrel doesn't post here much but if you post it at the blogspot it will probably get looked at, the Devs are good like that and the major bug patches come out rather promptly considering.

There that wasn't so hard and only twice i thought this person was a jerk and not in fact a cunt. Maybe get of your high PC Tone Police Horses and try to respond to the criticisms and not the "Tone".
 
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Midge

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Yep it's a bit hilarious that basically every rapist in DoL is satisfied by a HJ/FJ, especially when juxtaposed against how escalatory actual rape is. Even if a victim in the real world acquiesces to a blowjob, chances are it soon spirals into a facefuck, vaginal or even a dry anal rape

This is in no way meant as a criticism of the awesome game Vrelnir has created so far. Naturally real world is very hard to model in a game and DoL has certainly come closest to doing the impossible
The difficulty could be higher and i think Vrel has some plans for that but i don't think it should be Impossible to get away "unfucked".
 

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Yeah those are the two things that get me right now. By about week 3 it's like you have all the stats you need to make bank and being raped isn't really a concern anymore. You just become a HJ/FJ/BJ machine lol. I always restart or take a break from the game by that point, doesn't feel like much else to do. I've only made it to the start of the math competition like 3 times in all my playthroughs.
 

_DarkDesires_

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The difficulty could be higher and i think Vrel has some plans for that but i don't think it should be Impossible to get away "unfucked".
True it shouldn't be impossible but now it's a near certainty. As the posts by Mitsuna & FruitSmoothie attest to as well, if you satisfy the rapists with your hands/feet/boobs/thighs/mouth you'll basically always get away "unfucked". The exception is when you very rarely might have a poorly timed orgasm but that's about it. (Talking about common encounters here, obviously the pillory or being raped by a huge mob are quite different situations altogether)

So I would truly welcome some revamp of the system to rectify this, however I truly understand how challenging this is. So no complaining here just an observation I wanted to share. So just...please continue writing awesome content :)
 
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So, i just start to wonder... The game is now at 2.8 stage. Somewhere between the end of february and start of march we will probably get a 2.9. After that... what? Will the game get another big revamp like the clothes one, so that it goes to 3.0, or will we get a 2.10? Anyone wanna bet? :LOL:
 

Midge

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True it shouldn't be impossible but now it's a near certainty. attest to as well, if you satisfy the rapists with your hands/feet/boobs/thighs/mouth you'll basically always get away "unfucked".
I actually don't consider mouth/bjs to be getting away clean, unless they jizz on your face(not in it). Any intake of jizz(or milk so i also don't count sucking milk either) loses you Purity. And yeah i think because we are veterans to this game at this point we feel like it's piss easy so wanting a way to make it more difficult is natural.
 

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So, i just start to wonder... The game is now at 2.8 stage. Somewhere between the end of february and start of march we will probably get a 2.9. After that... what? Will the game get another big revamp like the clothes one, so that it goes to 3.0, or will we get a 2.10? Anyone wanna bet? :LOL:
I think the farms coming up soon so i think that will be the 0.3.0 and i'm guessing April-ish.
 
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I actually don't consider mouth/bjs to be getting away clean, unless they jizz on your face(not in it). Any intake of jizz(or milk so i also don't count sucking milk either) loses you Purity. And yeah i think because we are veterans to this game at this point we feel like it's piss easy so wanting a way to make it more difficult is natural.
I understand what you are saying and it's definitely true. However I'd say any real girl who gets away from a very dangerous situation "just" with a blowjob will be counting their lucky stars, at least in retrospect. (Btw I think you can even avoid BJs most of the time by being proactive with your appendages & pulling away if they try to penetrate)

Genuinely not trying to nitpick here, just if my suggestions were to have even a tiny role in imbuing DoL with more realism...I'd be very happy :)
 

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It's a great game, if a bit repetitive, but I can't help but thought, that maybe it might be a good idea to add some more dominant side to PC during consensual sex, because it's a bit weird, that even though sex partners allows PC to be assertive, they still behave as if they are being raped with only difference in lack of defiant option. Especially, male PC, whose sex options fully depending on their partner actions.
 

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I've been wondering, does the Pet Shop and the Attic actually have any events? I've yet to see anything in either of them
 

Midge

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It's a great game, if a bit repetitive, but I can't help but thought, that maybe it might be a good idea to add some more dominant side to PC during consensual sex, because it's a bit weird, that even though sex partners allows PC to be assertive, they still behave as if they are being raped with only difference in lack of defiant option. Especially, male PC, whose sex options fully depending on their partner actions.
The combat system seems to be a cover all so yeah the 2 are the "same". I think there's a overhaul coming at some point as talk of a Dojo is being added so we'll have to wait and see.
I've been wondering, does the Pet Shop and the Attic actually have any events? I've yet to see anything in either of them
Not yet but you can talk Kylar into building you something in the Attic.
 
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Wall of text bigger than wall of China
I do agree some criticism is being way more agressive than it should. Specially taken into account that the game is nearly made by one person only and doesn't ask for invest to get to his stuff. Yes I know Lollipop Scythe and others from time to time also help, don't get me wrong, you know what I mean. Don't worry, I didn't forgot you :) Although the way criticism was made was wrong, some of OP facts are still fairly recomendable. And please, don't confuse this with new content. We all want new stuff, but time is the enemy is the enemy of perfection. The game is fun because of his mentality when creating the game and created a somewhat big playerbase, let him do his stuff. We all want stuff (insert pregnancy meme here I guess), but be patient and don't mix it with criticism.

About the criticisms on the comment above, I do must agree with the text and options. Don't get me wrong, I understand it's original and it isn't that easy to change without transforming the whole fighting system. However, I do agree some options need to change, or the effects. It's true that sometimes we get to use spam the same option in a fight. While changing that is hard without adding option, I beg that you please add more text diversity into the game at least. It would change so much in terms of fighting experience. Examples are like adding options of talking (or moaning) when talking, different expression when both cum at the same time, difference on moans, ways to express minor consent after being forced (like brainwashing or corrupting RPG for example), ways to speak about partner actions (asking to be rough, more gentle), etc etc. Also the diversity of options on submissive mode is way more noticeable than on defiant mode for example. There are so many examples I could mention and I wouldn't shut up. And yes the adding name instead of "he" "she" could give a bit more, but it isn't as critical as what I mentioned above imo.

Of course some of those may even change on future patches the more content is added. And I'm pretty sure Vrelnir wants to add more content fast to please the one who want pregnancy, to be a stable addition and use the options the game gives. I also want pregnancy, I won't deny it, but personally a minor overall on character dialogue and interaction would be important before adding more content and map places. I do believe you would have less work in the future but hey, who I am to talk, I have 0 experience in making games.

About the less raping options, this isn't a Sims game. The goal of the game is how you work with the lust on the city. That's the whole point of the game. If you want to separate that and make more harassment stuff then on that case I would agree. But this isn't a game to chill a tan on the beach and take a drink at the coffee before going home. Well with the latest version you even serve a special kind of drink, but that's a different case.

I wouldn't dare saying horrible writing if that the game wasn't so popular. Inexperienced might be the better option. If there is room for polish? Of course, but I wouldn't call it horrible. I mean this isn't one of the Machine Translated games. You probably are forgetting this is a mini html game, like a side job for the creator, which fortunely exploded in terms of popularity. It wasn't ment to be that exceptional job to milk the patrons. But the care of being fun is still very present, and the presence of him (or her sorry if I'm mistaken) in forums shows that, and the development and reception of criticism is being made with care. I understand you're used to labeled games, but even if you don't like something try to not to be rude. Probably not you goal, but having several mentions of "horrible", "heartless", "tedious", "lack of flavour" doesn't help to accept your criticism open minded. Keep in mind the last version is v0.2.8.2, and last one was v0.2.7. I guess that shows how "chilled" the game is being developed. The game is clearly in develop and was a mini fun stuff that exploded because players actually like it.

On a sidenote, I hate that trend on RPGs you mentioned of having a magical item that fix the clothes on map. There is a purpose of losing the clothes and fighting for the clothes. Asking for that clearly shows you didn't play the game enough no offense. I understand I'm a bit suspicious on this though because I like to play with my female character naked and ready for action, but who am I to judge. Spread love, not hate.

I guess your whole critiscim was based on those RPG or Renpy games, who were drawn as a fund to get some money. This isn't, it's a fun little project which developed into an atual popular and fun game. Keep also in mind, that many of those games lose playerbase overtime (not speaking about big titles of course). This one despite all the (mostly polite criticism) it receives the playerbase still remains. Because players and devs recognize this is a for-fun project that will take time to please everyone, and even the playerbase engages in making and defending criticism from time to time. Just be patient.

Sorry if I repeated a bit myself up, but was getting out of words to give a complete answer.

When i want to start the game it says.... Access is denied... why?
If you're playing on a browser please confirm you're giving cookies and storage permission. Otherwise the game can't check progression state.
 
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Midge

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I understand what you are saying and it's definitely true. However I'd say any real girl who gets away from a very dangerous situation "just" with a blowjob will be counting their lucky stars, at least in retrospect. (Btw I think you can even avoid BJs most of the time by being proactive with your appendages & pulling away if they try to penetrate)
Genuinely not trying to nitpick here, just if my suggestions were to have even a tiny role in imbuing DoL with more realism...I'd be very happy :)
It's cool, i don't see your point as being "nitpicky" as we are dicussing how you would like the game to maybe conform more to IRL and to the difficulty level of "combat" this game has(even i have to save scum and repeat a day because of bad RNG and not because of a difficult encounter). Were as i tend to want it to stear away from the IRL feel i can see a need for the difficulty balance and i also hope it will get addressed (Mookie, others and i were discussing this 2? patches ago on the blogspot forums so i wont go into it here unless you want me to) but i think the idea is important in general.
 
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