HTML Degrees of Lewdity [v0.5.4.6] [Vrelnir]

[Midge]

I think the issue isn't whether or not it can be included, it's whether or not it should be included.
For another, much of the game is built on the idea that the MC is barely scraping by, and is forced to go to greater and greater lengths to merely remain sane, let alone pay off Bailey. Giving the MC too much control might ruin that premise.
Or maybe it could work, if Vrelnir's smart about it.

In my examples i show that it has somewhat already been added in at least a limited way if not just to events. Should more be added? For varieties sake i hope so.
For me combat goes either one of two ways in a 1 on 1 encounter, either i deck them in 3 rounds or i get them off in 5 or less. But usually it's just pick an option for a part then spam the "next" button untill i win the way i choose. Having a "defiant" option instead of just "hit" makes more sense from a Roleplaying perspective. And we do get some already like "being able to tell someone you don't want it in hole x" or "degrading them for their looks" both dominant actions that give rewards if done correctly. So we already do have options it's weather we should have MORE of that type(non violent).
Also that "the MC is barely scraping by" might be true at the start but gets thrown out the window pretty quickly after the first month or so once you get access to artifacts that pay $2000 and jobs that pay $200-$400 per hour. So i see it as just another way players can add to the experiance of how THEY want their RP to go.

As someone who has followed this game's development for quite some time now, I think it is safe to say that Vrelnir is definitely not inclined to include domineering actions in the encounters. He has commented time and time again on his blog that "maybe" in the future there could be something akin to it, but his main vision is for a submissive game and I 100% respect that... it is his creation after all.
And on that note agreeing with your fist paragraph, it never fails to amuse me that on every single thread of games that are focused on a certain niche (in this case submission), there is always people requesting that the dev should add "vanilla" stuff that you can easily find elsewhere in other games. They request stuff to be added that clearly goes opposite the intended focus of the game, which would dillute the experience as it would make the dev waste time on features that they didn't initially intend to make...
Is it that hard to understand and respect the artistic vision of a game creator? That if you want your vanilla shit you can simply go find it elsewhere in the millions of renpy and rpgm games?

Definitely is a strong word. Also "maybe" is neither yes or no. And as this kind of Dom stuff has already been added in many events. I wouldn't say Vrel is "inclined" one way or the other, I'd have to ask them for a straight answer on the subject for their current opinion.
And there have been some great things added that i doubt were apart of Vrels intended focus some of which were straight up contributed by others and others are bits of ideas taken from other peeps posts, and peeps don't want it in other games they want it in THIS game which is one of the reasons peeps play this one as it is a more "complete game" with alot to offer everyone, but if you can tell me what the undilluted experience is supposed to be then i'd be greatfull. And of course what the opposite of that would be.
Is it that hard to understand and respect the artistic vision of a game creator? No.
Should that stop me from offering constructive crittisims and offer suggestions that "i" feel would improve apon it regardless of if gets used by the Devs? You decide! You specificaly.

 

[sinclairl]

There are already a few events in the game that get close to dominant. Obviously being able to turn the tables during a forced encounter wouldn't work, but there's always the chance that the MC can crack and start preying on people who are weaker than they are. Maybe testing the waters by expanding the one exhibition rape scene the MC can observe, allowing the MC to follow up stealing the victim's clothes with a struggle snuggle if certain requirements are met.

 

[Adam_Lynd]

I'd say "desperate times call for a lot of shady shit." Since I've found some options to steal.

You can easily just work a normal job at a cafe or on the docks to make money. So it's possible, but I doubt anyone would actually do it.

 

[jackfreedom]

responding to some of the people who read my other reply about pregnancy. yeah i respect the creator and his game. he can do whatever he wants with it. was just curios if he had any plans to add more pregnancy options and stuff. love the game too by the way, been checking up and playing for 4 or 5 months i think now

 

[Arkus86]

responding to some of the people who read my other reply about pregnancy. yeah i respect the creator and his game. he can do whatever he wants with it. was just curios if he had any plans to add more pregnancy options and stuff. love the game too by the way, been checking up and playing for 4 or 5 months i think now

And if you were able to use the search option, you would not even need to ask. This is one of the most frequently asked questions (there's 12 pages of results for the keyword "pregnancy" alone), and people are understandably getting tired of it.

 

[1tomadeira]

responding to some of the people who read my other reply about pregnancy. yeah i respect the creator and his game. he can do whatever he wants with it. was just curios if he had any plans to add more pregnancy options and stuff. love the game too by the way, been checking up and playing for 4 or 5 months i think now

With the utmost respect, if you really play this for 5 months you should have read already in this thread that it will be added in the future. I mean, it isn't like this question wasn't made 56944 times already.

For the ones who may wonder in the future, yes it's in the plans, many people want it, me included, but be patient, let the man do his job. And for the love of god, read the thread before asking.

On these forums people spam about NTR, on this thread people spam about pregnancy... There will be a time a mod comes here and blocks any pregnancy discussion... and I don't want that, since some actually bring valid points of discussion from time to time... but asking a question that was answered every 2 pages isn't.

 

[jackfreedom]

With the utmost respect, if you really play this for 5 months you should have read already in this thread that it will be added in the future. I mean, it isn't like this question wasn't made 56944 times already.

For the ones who may wonder in the future, yes it's in the plans, many people want it, me included, but be patient, let the man do his job. And for the love of god, read the thread before asking.

On these forums people spam about NTR, on this thread people spam about pregnancy... There will be a time a mod comes here and blocks any pregnancy discussion... and I don't want that, since some actually bring valid points of discussion from time to time... but asking a question that was answered every 2 pages isn't.

My bad, honestly im just too lazy to look for it no matter how often it is brought up, but i will look next time before asking anything like that.

 

[JenaiyaSovari]

And if you were able to use the search option, you would not even need to ask. This is one of the most frequently asked questions (there's 12 pages of results for the keyword "pregnancy" alone), and people are understandably getting tired of it.

I actually didn't realize that was a thing until you mentioned it. Cheers

 

[madchef]

Talking in-game, could it not be added? The PC already can be dominant or defiantly use acts in many events that have been steadly added to the game over the updates. Like with the pillory you can now exposed a locked up peep and i would consider that as being dominant. And you can stare down harrasers in street events if you're defiant enough. So adding more of these elements to the "combat" in the form of controll instead of just violence...

I think we might be confusing dominant position with assertiveness and active vs passive sexual roles, which reminds me of a situation when you grab your partner's hands, pull them to your chest and tell them to twist your nipples hard. Even harder, if they do not put enough vigour to it. Who's the boss here? Or paying a professional dominatrix to treat you exactly the way you wish to be treated. Who's the patron in this scenario and who's just a sex worker? Or another example from the game: you misbehave in School all day, including masturbating in the English class while poor Kylar watches, swimming nude practicing your backstroke, servicing the School's gloryhole and getting caught, which is more than enough to warrant a detention spanking, which with high enough Masochism and Submission is something that the PC actually wishes for. Thus, a submissive moan to Leighton "I'm gonna cum!" could be seen as quite an assertive request, which Leighton actually grants with their continued spanking. Furthermore, another submissive action of sucking Leighton's nipples while being spanked will eventually hasten the principal's orgasm, which is embarrassing to them, while bringing a triumphant smirk on the PC's face. Who exactly came (literally and figuratively) on top here?

While not sure how much (if any) BDSM / power exchange / dominance-submission elements the author had in mind when he first conceived the idea for this game, or what the initial core concept was and will be, I think there are lots of opportunities for the player's character to top... from the bottom and the bottom is the starting point. And I think it's quite plain to see with the actions choices and naming conventions that the protagonist is for most parts a subject to other people's desires and as such on the receiving end of those desires. I can only envision some of the PC's peers (Robin, Kylar and Whitney to a certain extent) as being on equal (or lower) footing. All the others are more or less lecherous beasts, some well-behaved and some less-than-well behaved.

Therefore, the question for the fans is do we really want the game to encompass all possible varieties of lewdity to the point it becomes a larger than life SimLife with sex? I mean, most lewd games are quite narrow-focused in their sexual content with very limited story-driven choices despite their large file sizes, usually taken by overblown graphics.

 

[Jackie the ripper]

this isn't overblown graphics, it is effectively a sandbox sex game. if you don't want pregnancy, you can turn off the kink like all the others. pregnancy would just be another option like the option of weather you want to go to work at the brothel or the strip club.

 

[ManiacSquisher]

Any tips to build up Robin's lust and Whitney's love? I think I might be missing something, cause it is taking weeks and I haven't seen new content from them.
Just the usual stay in Robin's bedroom that actually reduces lust and the usual abuses from Whitney that only build up lust or dominance.

(I've even grinded exposure to the max, but I rarely see any option to get more love for Whitney)

 

[DD2]

@ManiacSquisher
Robin , "watch her play" and use tights as pillows, is a random chance so save before and keep loading saves till you get it. She will lose ALL lust if you take her out to the movies and you let her jump MC in the park. Having Robin in Hi lust is not important though, because , all you need is her love. the only thing lust will do is make her snick in your room at night. that's it.
Whitney, be a slut, never fight , basically keep doing all what she ask, even getting permanent tattoo on forehead (you can remove later 3K quids) . you need hi exhibitionism and promiscuity to make Whitney love MC. Whiney love is important a she will start giving in on MC demands, she wont be able to force MC to drink her cum, so MC will have more to work around her harassment.
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I find a >>>>>:::... BUG ...::::<<<<< in combat system with male MC. (note: i use Android to play this game)
BUG 1:
It turns that if you decide to use penis to frot on clit, in the next turn the action is reset to (·) REST and not (·) RUB as it's suppose to, meaning you have to repeatedly select (·) Rub on Clit, EVERY TURN. (i use the radio button combat system)

BUG 2:
Is practically IMPOSSIBLE to gain experience in TIGHT body part with MALE MC. as penis always take precendece over Tights, I have "S" rank in all body parts but tight which is in "D" please fix this , or make it possible for player to make MC to choose between penis or tight in Combat screen actions. Thanks.
.....

 

[Gutsandguts]

Urgh, I'm liking this game a lot so far but wow, it feels so miserable. It feels like there should be an option to just kill yourself or something considering everyone seems to be a rapist.

I get that it's intended to be difficult but I feel as though it verges more on being annoying, you barely get a break. Trying to increase deviancy with the squid thing, swim a couple of times and grabbed by a surfer or hauled up in a net to be gang raped in broad daylight.

It feels a bit much, obviously you can mess with settings to make it easier but then that blocks you from getting things.

I wish combat would have the option for you to run away sometimes instead of just slogging through hurting the assailant or hoping someone else helps which seems super rare.
It gets annoying when you're just trying to do something simple and you get attacked constantly.


Which sucks because otherwise it's an awesome game, I like the management of building up stats/skills and trying to have enough money to pay shithead Bailey. 17 days and all my characters virginities are intact...somehow.

 

[11037AAA]

Urgh, I'm liking this game a lot so far but wow, it feels so miserable. It feels like there should be an option to just kill yourself or something considering everyone seems to be a rapist.

I get that it's intended to be difficult but I feel as though it verges more on being annoying, you barely get a break. Trying to increase deviancy with the squid thing, swim a couple of times and grabbed by a surfer or hauled up in a net to be gang raped in broad daylight.

It feels a bit much, obviously you can mess with settings to make it easier but then that blocks you from getting things.

I wish combat would have the option for you to run away sometimes instead of just slogging through hurting the assailant or hoping someone else helps which seems super rare.
It gets annoying when you're just trying to do something simple and you get attacked constantly.


Which sucks because otherwise it's an awesome game, I like the management of building up stats/skills and trying to have enough money to pay shithead Bailey. 17 days and all my characters virginities are intact...somehow.

I may wanna recommend a technique to make the grinding easier and avoid events you don't want to get : in a room where you can do an event that doesn't pass any time ( like checking your mirror, going to the pool and in the locker, etc ) helps with manipulating the RNG and makes you able to get very optimal result. All you need to do is pass a turn using clicking on that event that doesn't pass any time, save, go check out the event you want ( like in the orphanage's hallway for example ) and if it isn't the desired result, load the save and retry. It makes that you'll regularly play longer each sittings, but you'll have better and more satisfying results in the end! It's also a great way to earn feats as well.

 

[DD2]

Gutsandguts
JAJAJAJA! noob!, sorry i find it very amusing when people complain the game is too, but it's because i started to play the game in the very early stages so i think i probably know everything to stay out of trouble, i am at day 120 hard mode, and no faint no trauma , no stress.

hints:
Do not go out at night unless you know what you are doing.
SAVE constantly, you may walk and get raped by two hooded man, (speaking of which, you may try to stand your graund, somoentimes Hooded man say "not him/her and let you be) but if you save and go through another street you may find something else less painful. like a dog leading to some cash or some dud who wants to buy underwear. See saves states as a way to hider harm. this is maybe only important at the start of the game, after you get a hang of it you may not have to save all the time.
in day light you can shout and be rescue, at night SHOUT IS USELESS. (also if you are drunk or "hi", if you shout at day light the shouts will be perceived as moans and nobody will help.
Robin takes stress and trauma away, just go to her room and watch her play.
DON'T have to swim in the deep water, going from beach, to rocks to beach to docks is enough. Deep waters are dangerous because the fishermen and cathulu.
Try to play safe the first months in the game, , grind up your scholar grades up to A, swiming and Dancing as well. don't go all pervert mode unless that is what you want your MC to go through. Remember this is a PTSD simulator, your MC is the one you have to take care of.
(by the way, MC is for "Main character")

 

[Midge]

I think we might be confusing dominant position with assertiveness and active vs passive sexual roles, which reminds me of a situation when you grab your partner's hands, pull them to your chest and tell them to twist your nipples hard. Even harder, if they do not put enough vigour to it. Who's the boss here? Or paying a professional dominatrix to treat you exactly the way you wish to be treated. Who's the patron in this scenario and who's just a sex worker? Or another example from the game: you misbehave in School all day, including masturbating in the English class while poor Kylar watches, swimming nude practicing your backstroke, servicing the School's gloryhole and getting caught, which is more than enough to warrant a detention spanking, which with high enough Masochism and Submission is something that the PC actually wishes for. Thus, a submissive moan to Leighton "I'm gonna cum!" could be seen as quite an assertive request, which Leighton actually grants with their continued spanking. Furthermore, another submissive action of sucking Leighton's nipples while being spanked will eventually hasten the principal's orgasm, which is embarrassing to them, while bringing a triumphant smirk on the PC's face. Who exactly came (literally and figuratively) on top here?

While not sure how much (if any) BDSM / power exchange / dominance-submission elements the author had in mind when he first conceived the idea for this game, or what the initial core concept was and will be, I think there are lots of opportunities for the player's character to top... from the bottom and the bottom is the starting point. And I think it's quite plain to see with the actions choices and naming conventions that the protagonist is for most parts a subject to other people's desires and as such on the receiving end of those desires. I can only envision some of the PC's peers (Robin, Kylar and Whitney to a certain extent) as being on equal (or lower) footing. All the others are more or less lecherous beasts, some well-behaved and some less-than-well behaved.
Therefore, the question for the fans is do we really want the game to encompass all possible varieties of lewdity to the point it becomes a larger than life SimLife with sex? I mean, most lewd games are quite narrow-focused in their sexual content with very limited story-driven choices despite their large file sizes, usually taken by overblown graphics.

Well put and i was not as clear as i could have been between sub/dom(or s&m) actions and assertiveness(dominant towards a weaker peep) and the actual role reversal(very rare) that happens in-game. I also think others who post are also not as clear and so we get these clashes and mix ups.
And i certianly want the "All encompassing game" and as this game is mostly text based i don't see why it wouldn't/shouldn't be thus(applying quality standards of course). This is a "sandbox" game after all and yes i "would" like the focus to remain on the "sub/victim" side of things(in all catagories) i can still see a place for more Dom/RR/Assert in the right contextual spaces/events.
But i guess it would help if peeps were clearer on what kind of "dom" stuff they ask for.

 

[Midge]

Any tips to build up Robin's lust and Whitney's love? I think I might be missing something, cause it is taking weeks and I haven't seen new content from them.
Just the usual stay in Robin's bedroom that actually reduces lust and the usual abuses from Whitney that only build up lust or dominance.

(I've even grinded exposure to the max, but I rarely see any option to get more love for Whitney)

With Whitney i don't know if it's still in the game but if you get a "leaving school" event at the front gate you can re-enter the school and keep triggering more of these in the same day.

 

[Gutsandguts]

Gutsandguts
JAJAJAJA! noob!, sorry i find it very amusing when people complain the game is too, but it's because i started to play the game in the very early stages so i think i probably know everything to stay out of trouble, i am at day 120 hard mode, and no faint no trauma , no stress.

hints:
Do not go out at night unless you know what you are doing.
SAVE constantly, you may walk and get raped by two hooded man, (speaking of which, you may try to stand your graund, somoentimes Hooded man say "not him/her and let you be) but if you save and go through another street you may find something else less painful. like a dog leading to some cash or some dud who wants to buy underwear. See saves states as a way to hider harm. this is maybe only important at the start of the game, after you get a hang of it you may not have to save all the time.
in day light you can shout and be rescue, at night SHOUT IS USELESS. (also if you are drunk or "hi", if you shout at day light the shouts will be perceived as moans and nobody will help.
Robin takes stress and trauma away, just go to her room and watch her play.
DON'T have to swim in the deep water, going from beach, to rocks to beach to docks is enough. Deep waters are dangerous because the fishermen and cathulu.
Try to play safe the first months in the game, , grind up your scholar grades up to A, swiming and Dancing as well. don't go all pervert mode unless that is what you want your MC to go through. Remember this is a PTSD simulator, your MC is the one you have to take care of.
(by the way, MC is for "Main character")

Thanks for the tips, I have been working my way through the game decently after a few test characters, I don't know if I just have bad luck or what. Like at the beach a while ago got in to swimsuit, stepped out and instantly tackled to the ground by some rando, fought him off, basically just got in the water and then got grabbed by people on a boat.

Stuff like that has happened often, where it seems like no matter what direction I go someone or something attacks.

I'm fine with it being difficult, it makes it more satisfying but I feel like it's just a liiiitle ridiculous.

Like that dude at the beach, just tackles you as soon as you come out the changing room and tries to rape you at like 12PM and nobody notices? That's a bit on the silly side.

 

[Midge]

Urgh, I'm liking this game a lot so far but wow, it feels so miserable. It feels like there should be an option to just kill yourself or something considering everyone seems to be a rapist.

I get that it's intended to be difficult but I feel as though it verges more on being annoying, you barely get a break. Trying to increase deviancy with the squid thing, swim a couple of times and grabbed by a surfer or hauled up in a net to be gang raped in broad daylight.

It feels a bit much, obviously you can mess with settings to make it easier but then that blocks you from getting things.

I wish combat would have the option for you to run away sometimes instead of just slogging through hurting the assailant or hoping someone else helps which seems super rare.
It gets annoying when you're just trying to do something simple and you get attacked constantly.


Which sucks because otherwise it's an awesome game, I like the management of building up stats/skills and trying to have enough money to pay shithead Bailey. 17 days and all my characters virginities are intact...somehow.

It's difficult at the start. And hard to get that early deviance. A safer option is to sunbathe in the Orphanage garden nude on sunny days(after 7am?) and get a cat to lick you. But the above posts are right and you just have to find the right ways to do things. The wiki can help, i use it a lot. And using the search function at the top of the page here to look for stuff helps, and of course asking us pros is good too.

Thanks for the tips, I have been working my way through the game decently after a few test characters, I don't know if I just have bad luck or what. Like at the beach a while ago got in to swimsuit, stepped out and instantly tackled to the ground by some rando, fought him off, basically just got in the water and then got grabbed by people on a boat.
Stuff like that has happened often, where it seems like no matter what direction I go someone or something attacks.
I'm fine with it being difficult, it makes it more satisfying but I feel like it's just a liiiitle ridiculous.
Like that dude at the beach, just tackles you as soon as you come out the changing room and tries to rape you at like 12PM and nobody notices? That's a bit on the silly side.

That's the game in a nut shell. But there are reasons for why no one cares and it's "rapefest 2020". There is a underlining plot that explanes a whole bunch and if you want you can find the answers all around the town. Or(big massive spoilers) you can go to page 142 here and scroll down till you find a post by Squidbit and read his theories which seem to line up.

 

[Waaifu]

Updated OP to v0.2.12.5