HTML Degrees of Lewdity [v0.5.4.6] [Vrelnir]

[KekKoo]

Biting and kicking every animal you come across isn't dominant, because the animals are still trying to fuck you. You are resisting, but you are still not the dominant party.

A dominant playstyle would be you walking out into the street and finding women who you want to bone down with and then taking actions to make that happen. Right now the game has you playing a number of ways to be the submissive party and no ways to be the dominant party outside of a few specific instances like romancing Robin or specific encounters. That is a nice balance that gives the core of the game a very focused appeal while still allowing you space to explore that focus.

SCREAM this shit louder for the people in the back. I don't get how just barely ANYTHING in this game is considered dominant right now. I'm ALL for satisfying as many people as possible, but within the realm of reason. This dominant discussion that KEEPS coming back up, it's been ran VERY long and VERY far, and the discussion is TIRED.

I would LOVE for there to be some sort of disclaimer in the OP explaining the situation regarding the dominance so that people can stop bringing it up every time. I personally don't care if dominant content is added eventually if that's what Vrelnir decides they want to do? However I DO admit... to a MAYBE selfish part of me being pissed regardless because it's not like almost every other game out there with the OBVIOUS few exceptions that I'm SURE someone can come up with doesn't ALREADY have you constantly doing that anyways. This is said, but it's said so less frequently that I don't think it's being considered clearly enough sometimes.

 

[Midge]

1)Biting and kicking every animal you come across isn't dominant, because the animals are still trying to fuck you. You are resisting, but you are still not the dominant party.

2)A dominant playstyle would be you walking out into the street and finding women who you want to bone down with and then taking actions to make that happen. Right now the game has you playing a number of ways to be the submissive party and no ways to be the dominant party outside of a few specific instances like romancing Robin or specific encounters. That is a nice balance that gives the core of the game a very focused appeal while still allowing you space to explore that focus.

3)When people come in and start spouting bullshit about how the game is 'feminine' and 'receptive' or stupid sexist shit like that all they are saying is that they want the game to be fundamentally different because the current game doesn't appeal to them. They feel left out because the game has a good developer who puts alot of effort into making a game that doesn't suit their interests, so instead of leaving to find another game that better suits them they bitch on here. It is seriously the most common complaint by a landslide.

4)You can add options into a game, you can expand it's systems to include more content within the sort of experience you want to explore. But asking for this game to be a sandbox where you got walk around being the dominant sexual partner who makes the decisions about who they sleep with is just as pointless as asking for this game to feature space travel.

5)There are a hundred games that do that for every one game like this, and I'm tired of reading about people who want this game to change to something completely different every page.

6)It's not the same as people who want more tentacle content, because those people just want more options within the existing gamespace, not for an entirely different gamespace to be created for them.

I'm a number and respond.
1)Fair point. How about robbing people blind? i go into their houses(my choice) and take all of the stuff(victimising them).
2)You can also seduce peeps. Pick them up at the pub for sex, charge them for money, only to "get them off or call it quits(being a "power bottom" as it were) it's not ALL submissive/subdominate stuff, alot is also "netural" or initiated or consented by the PC. The agressive rape stuff only stands out more but the rest is there.
3)They probably do both. I follow a great many games and am always on the look out for more. It's probably more that this is an ACTIVE(still being worked on) game and Vrel is perceptive to add things players ask for if it suits him. It's not an uncommon occurance for peeps to ask for stuff in a game. You just shouldn't lose your shit when they do.
4)It IS a sandbox game. And why not space travel? We can already go to the Tenticale plains. A place outside this world with rapey tenticales as far as the eye can see(all 8x8 squares of it).
5)Ok so stop reading this thread. You might be less tired that way. And those hundreds are not THIS game. These many playstyles can exisit in the one game, you just have to believe(and Vrel[or others] have to programme it).
6)What about the people who want futa or pregnancy added? are you just going to tell them "too bad, we can only add to what is already in the game. Sorry not sorry.". Alot of new things get added all the time and as you said there are afew spots of "dominance" in the game already. They are just asking for more options.
This is fun. I'm having fun BTW

 

[Midge]

SCREAM this shit louder for the people in the back. I don't get how just barely ANYTHING in this game is considered dominant right now. I'm ALL for satisfying as many people as possible, but within the realm of reason. This dominant discussion that KEEPS coming back up, it's been ran VERY long and VERY far, and the discussion is TIRED.

I would LOVE for there to be some sort of disclaimer in the OP explaining the situation regarding the dominance so that people can stop bringing it up every time. I personally don't care if dominant content is added eventually if that's what Vrelnir decides they want to do? However I DO admit... to a MAYBE selfish part of me being pissed regardless because it's not like almost every other game out there with the OBVIOUS few exceptions that I'm SURE someone can come up with doesn't ALREADY have you constantly doing that anyways. This is said, but it's said so less frequently that I don't think it's being considered clearly enough sometimes.

Well what would you like to talk about? I mean it genuenly. oh and there are a plethora of games where you are "submissive" in this context but they are mostly story driven. Does it really matter one way or the other? and i mean that truely. It's something to talk about at least. We could all just be sitting here waiting in silence for the next update when we all report the bugs and in general kiss Vrels butt. And you would like that very much, wouldn't you?

 

[MrCrazy123]

I just fundamentally disagree with you that a game can contain as wide a scope as you believe without becoming a messy unsatisfying experience.

I started to type out a big effort post but it doesn't really matter. I don't think you can have a game that covers an infinitely large number of experiences without making each of those experiences a boring and hollow one (or an infinite long development time which is also unacceptable).

 

[Midge]

I just fundamentally disagree with you that a game can contain as wide a scope as you believe without becoming a messy unsatisfying experience.

I started to type out a big effort post but it doesn't really matter. I don't think you can have a game that covers an infinitely large number of experiences without making each of those experiences a boring and hollow one (or an infinite long development time which is also unacceptable).

Eh, fair enough. I of course think a game can have both scope and depth it just takes work, effort and dilligence at the helm of which we are(questionably) getting. This game has been in Dev for 2 years was it? might be 3 and has no end in sight just from what Vrel wants to add himself so as for that last bit, buckle up buckaroo it's going to be a loooooooong ride.

 

[Teize]

Eh, fair enough. I of course think a game can have both scope and depth it just takes work, effort and dilligence at the helm of which we are(questionably) getting. This game has been in Dev for 2 years was it? might be 3 and has no end in sight just from what Vrel wants to add himself so as for that last bit, buckle up buckaroo it's going to be a loooooooong ride.

I really wish I was as optimistic as you haha. I disagree though, I can't think of a genuinely good game that has strayed from its initial kinks and delved into a wider scope and maintained its quality, maybe I just don't play enough games but some of the "bigger" games like TITS by Fenoxo which have a huge range but is incredibly shallow and has about the same depth as a puddle.

I think, if people truly wanted a more "dominant" and more "aggressive" style of DoL, it would probably have to be a mod of some kind that completely changes the game similar to Pregmod for Free Cities or as MrCrazy123 said, play one of the numerous other games that are focused on that kind of content.

 

[MrCrazy123]

Even if Vrel wants to add more dominant style of play eventually I would HEAVILY suggest finishing up the rest of the game before doing so, rather than split your attention trying to appease two seperate groups (with some overlap). Just make the best god damn submission game you can make and then go and put domination stuff in after.

If thats the way it was introduced I wouldn't care how much dom stuff was put in because I would already have the experience I can't get anywhere else.

 

[sparrow_rose]

Just like you can't have a movie that is an action comedy thriller horror romance movie.

I've actually seen that movie before. It was pretty good, caught me by surprise.

 

[Midge]

I really wish I was as optimistic as you haha. I disagree though, I can't think of a genuinely good game that has strayed from its initial kinks and delved into a wider scope and maintained its quality, maybe I just don't play enough games but some of the "bigger" games like TITS by Fenoxo which have a huge range but is incredibly shallow and has about the same depth as a puddle.

I think, if people truly wanted a more "dominant" and more "aggressive" style of DoL, it would probably have to be a mod of some kind that completely changes the game similar to Pregmod for Free Cities or as MrCrazy123 said, play one of the numerous other games that are focused on that kind of content.

There are some great(for me anyway) games that you can play in clashing styles that stay truely awesome. They for sure arn't these current "porn" games but for me this game has accended from those anyway(i play this as a GAME and not just to FAP). And i think this game will "join" their ranks(again for me personally) and it's because of the RolePlayer aspect this game has. It invites you to "play how you want". And look i do get MrCrazy123's point i just think it IS possable(i'm an optimist i guess) to do it right, but i guess only time will tell. Oh and you can read my review for what i think this game IS, i'm just excited about what COULD be. I personally would like more of the"seductive" style added. Acting "submissive" while getting exactly what you want out of NPCs and i do get abit of that but there could always be more added.

 

[illusionxxx]

The game works best if your paper-doll orphan is a female. It works fine if your paper-doll is a cute trap sissy boy. It works ok if your paper-doll is a gay bottom. It starts to crack when your paper-doll is a straight submissive type and just doesn't work if he is a straight boy who wants to chase skirts.

It's true, and I think this fact should be more advertised in order to ward off those that are looking for a different experience.

 

[Arkus86]

It's true, and I think this fact should be more advertised in order to ward off those that are looking for a different experience.

TBH, the very first comments in the thread already give less than subtle hints what to expect of the game, so probably most of those who are not satisfied with lack of dominant options either can't be bothered to read or simply don't care and will ask for the game to be something different anyawy.

 

[blackaddar]

I can't believe there's drama regarding DoL, wow. It says right on the DoL wiki:

You play an 18-year-old boy or girl in a town full of people with lewd intentions. Go to school and find honest work, turn to a life of crime, or sell your body in more carnal ways.

None of that screams dominant or being in control. By playing DoL you agree to be sucked into a world your orphan boy/girl did not consent to. It does not say that YOUR PC is lewd, but rather, everybody else in town has nefarious intentions regarding your body. You're treated like a piece of meat. Anybody who complains that there isn't any PC dominant situations are either blind or willfully ignored the description in hopes of seeking for something that did not exist in the first place. The only thing that remotely resembles "dominant" content is Robin's route, as s/he has a submissive personality in the first place.

 

[Midge]

I can't believe there's drama regarding DoL, wow. It says right on the DoL wiki:



None of that screams dominant or being in control. By playing DoL you agree to be sucked into a world your orphan boy/girl did not consent to. It does not say that YOUR PC is lewd, but rather, everybody else in town has nefarious intentions regarding your body. You're treated like a piece of meat. Anybody who complains that there isn't any PC dominant situations are either blind or willfully ignored the description in hopes of seeking for something that did not exist in the first place. The only thing that remotely resembles "dominant" content is Robin's route, as s/he has a submissive personality in the first place.

You're right MrCrazy i could have worded my first response better so i'll try again.

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I hope that was better MrCrazy, feel free to facepalm again if you agree with me.

 

[blackaddar]

You're right MrCrazy i could have worded my first response better so i'll try again.
What you quoted outlines the current situation when you start the game and suggests things that can be done in the game.
Nowhere does it mention how you should play it and i think you are reading to much into the whole " a town full of people with lewd intentions" part. Where does it say "only be the victim(or submissive)"?
Even beyond Robin's ark you CAN be dominant or dare i say "neutral". Submissive isn't the ONLY playstyle in the game CURRENTLY or even the "preferred" play style(if such a thing exists in this game). What i think people who harp on about not adding a "dominant" play style really mean is "we don't think going out and raping NPCs should be an option" and i somewhat agree with that. But "dominant" does not equal "rapist", it means "more assertive" and that is already some what in the game. Have you gotten the street event where 3 kids bully another? and have you stepped in and punched the leader to make them run away? Congratulations you made a dominant choice in the game. How about working for Sam and having peeps eat your jizz without them knowing(susspecting maybe)? Again a dominant(if not spiteful) choice. Do i need to go on? because i can dredge up more if you need the examples.
So when we ask for MORE dominant content we are not asking for "let me has rape"(though i admit at least some outliers are) we are asking for MORE assertive actions/options.
I hope that was better MrCrazy, feel free to fasepalm again if you agree with me.

I wasn't even going to bother but here we go:

What you quoted outlines the current situation when you start the game and suggests things that can be done in the game.
Nowhere does it mention how you should play it and i think you are reading to much into the whole " a town full of people with lewd intentions" part. Where does it say "only be the victim(or submissive)"?

What I quoted outlines the entire premise of the game and what your gameplay will be built around. You lack the ability to read between the lines--or better yet--extract a deeper meaning from the game's premise. It doesn't say "only be the victim (or submissive)" because your PC is dropped into a world where s/he is powerless from the getgo. This is why in the game, despite building your athletics, swimming skills and strength stat to the max, going all the way defiant and punching, kicking, and biting opponents, you will STILL end up in MANY situations where you are gangbanged, beaten, overpowered, and sometimes restrained.

It's less about submissiveness and more about having a lack of free will in the game and making the best out of a horrible situation. If you, as the player, want to be dominant or play an assertive role, you're playing the wrong game.

Even beyond Robin's ark you CAN be dominant or dare i say "neutral". Submissive isn't the ONLY playstyle in the game CURRENTLY or even the "preferred" play style(if such a thing exists in this game). What i think people who harp on about not adding a "dominant" play style really mean is "we don't think going out and raping NPCs should be an option" and i somewhat agree with that.

There was no point in adding this useless block of text.

But "dominant" does not equal "rapist", it means "more assertive" and that is already some what in the game. Have you gotten the street event where 3 kids bully another? and have you stepped in and punched the leader to make them run away? Congratulations you made a dominant choice in the game. How about working for Sam and having peeps eat your jizz without them knowing(susspecting maybe)? Again a dominant(if not spiteful) choice. Do i need to go on? because i can dredge up more if you need the examples.

Sam's event is not dominant and neither is the bully event. One plays on a food fetish and the other is just straight-up being a good samaritan that increases your social role into being a good guy. You can dredge up more examples but they'll be wrong, as were your existing examples. Other examples I can think of that you'll probably bring up (and will be wrong about) are Leighton's blackmail event, where you either get your ass kicked or nothing happens. Bailey's event, where you end up getting your ass kicked again if you win the first refusal to pay up. Refuse to submit to the priests after breaking the vow, where you are immediately bound and transported into the room with others.

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Vrelnir was quite clear that even though there are choices in the game where you can defend yourself, you are ultimately helpless, because that's the whole point of the game. Adding more dominant events will simply have Vrelnir add more punishments to them. Because YOU, as a PC, aren't supposed to win or have an upper hand.

So when we ask for MORE dominant content we are not asking for "let me has rape"(though i admit at least some outliers are) we are asking for MORE assertive actions/options.

See my last two sentences above.

 

[Richy_The_Gamer]

I woul like to see some ballbusting content and SPH

 

[Sphere42]

What exactly am I missing in the requirements for the "bloody mirror" event? It is 3:02 on the 1st of October, the red moon graphic is there, my Deviancy is at 4 dog icons ("Your desires are scandalous.") and "An eerie light spills from your mirror." yet after a bunch of Deviancy 2 options the event ends with "The light brightens to an eerie red, and other tentacles twist around your arms, legs and hips. Shivers of pleasure emanate from wherever they touch. They squeeze and caress to a gentle rhythm." with no option to continue. Does it just go straight to a Deviancy 5+ requirement? Do I need a non-"Controlled" hallucination trait? I can trigger the consentacles in the lake ruins so I would at least hope for some kind of intermediate sex play as a hint even if access to the Tentacle Plains is locked behind Deviancy 5+ for balance reasons.

The attached save file is from v 0.2.14.3 on PC right before I interact with the mirror. Maybe I'm missing something obvious.

 

[ladguru]

What exactly am I missing in the requirements for the "bloody mirror" event? It is 3:02 on the 1st of October, the red moon graphic is there, my Deviancy is at 4 dog icons ("Your desires are scandalous.") and "An eerie light spills from your mirror." yet after a bunch of Deviancy 2 options the event ends with "The light brightens to an eerie red, and other tentacles twist around your arms, legs and hips. Shivers of pleasure emanate from wherever they touch. They squeeze and caress to a gentle rhythm." with no option to continue. Does it just go straight to a Deviancy 5+ requirement? Do I need a non-"Controlled" hallucination trait? I can trigger the consentacles in the lake ruins so I would at least hope for some kind of intermediate sex play as a hint even if access to the Tentacle Plains is locked behind Deviancy 5+ for balance reasons.

The attached save file is from v 0.2.14.3 on PC right before I interact with the mirror. Maybe I'm missing something obvious.

You need severe hallus to see the eerie light. Controlled does not matter.
And you need 5 doggies and a blood moon to enter the plains.

 

[Sphere42]

You need severe hallus to see the eerie light. Controlled does not matter.
And you need 5 doggies and a blood moon to enter the plains.

I do have the "severe" hallucinations but only as a feature of the Blood Moon itself. Are there no prompts between the Deviancy 1/2 "Watch"/"Lick" options and the "enter Tentacle Plains" part? Or is it an entirely separate event which only appears if you have Deviancy 5 and alters the state of the mirror from the get-go?

 

[ladguru]

I do have the "severe" hallucinations but only as a feature of the Blood Moon itself. Are there no prompts between the Deviancy 1/2 "Watch"/"Lick" options and the "enter Tentacle Plains" part? Or is it an entirely separate event which only appears if you have Deviancy 5 and alters the state of the mirror from the get-go?

You were on the right track.
But with deviancy 5 you get a new option to the final "Step Away" which leads you to the plains.

 

[madchef]

You're right MrCrazy i could have worded my first response better so i'll try again.
What you quoted outlines the current situation when you start the game and suggests things that can be done in the game.

I will add my 5 cents to Midge's reply, as I started this current discussion by making an observation to them that a lot of frustration with this games comes from players who wish to play it as a manly boy and are unable to find many ways to do so, because despite the advertised sandboxy and highly customizable character of this game, it really isn't. And as Midge rightly observed, the premise of the game is "play[ing] an 18-year-old boy or girl in a town full of people with lewd intentions: go[ing] to school and find[ing] honest work, turn[ing] to a life of crime, or sell[ing] your body in more carnal ways.

The game has strong sexual themes, and lots of sex in general. You can choose the gender of the people who'll be attracted to you, and fetishes such as tentacles can be toggled off in settings."

Nowhere it says that regardless of which sex (I am not using the term 'gender (identity)' here on purpose) you choose, you'll be pretty much a bottom bitch with more or less luck in trying hard not to be one... or simply enjoying your degradation. A newcomer player has to find this out themselves.

And again, as much as I enjoy this game as a quite compelling sexual trauma (soft) simulator with one of the most advanced sexual encounter interface that a text-based game can offer, I can understand the frustration of those players who wish to play this game as straight, assertive boys valiantly overcoming adversity, only to find out that the toggle 'percentage of women attracted to you' means how many out of all sexual assaults you are going to suffer will be perpetrated by women... with strapons, if you want to make it more menacing. Those same players are then asking the author to add a gun store to the Shopping Centre or at least a sports equipment outlet where they could purchase a baseball bat, coz they've had just about all the buggery they would handle.

At the very basic, sex-combat level, the male sexual actions that the PC can perform aren't really there, while the female PC has almost the entire repertoire of such actions, even including a foot job, which is a skill rarer than triple deep throat. The PC's penis is not a penis as long as their penetrating with it is considered an act of submission. Interestingly enough, females using strapons (which are prosthetic dicks, after all) on the PC will be considered the dominant (topping) party. If sexual fantasies and enjoyment one can derive from this game are to be plausible then we should all agree that a boy is not just a flat-chested girl with a dick slapped on and that said dick is basically just a protruding or prolapsed vagina for the PC, a receptacle to other people's lust, while the NPCs' dicks (real and rubber ones alike) represent all the dominant phallic might that they posses. Penile virginity? Really? Never thought that phimosis is equivalent of a hymen. In the male submission / sissification / transformation genre NOT using one's dick is considered submissive, not the other way around. Why then wearing a chastity cage is equal to wearing a chastity belt, which is protection from other people's sexual advances?