rhoghadessa

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Maybe if there was a way to get something like the Rite of Promise with other LIs where it makes sense? Because if someone wanted to go Angel TF but also wanted penile/vaginal penetration, there's only Sydney really. Which kind of only leaves Robin and Alex as 'Rite of Promise Alternate' candidates really. I highly doubt Avery or Whitney would even consider such a thing (they both kind of consider the PC more as their 'property' than anything, as well as the story regarding the former), Kylar would require some backstory changes/expansion to even consider going anywhere near the Temple, Eden may probably do it more as a possessive show of 'the PC is mine husbando/waifu' and then proceed to lock them up in their cabin forever as a househusband/wife, and trying to tell Jordan that you wanted to marry a bird or dog (person) would probably send their mind into the stratosphere and think the PC is corrupted or something.

That said, it is kind of fun when one plays as an Angel Girl (full female) where everyone and everything else is full female, by setting general NPC sexual orientation to only Females go after Females and Males go after Males (and 100% Female Victims), make all the named NPCs female, then remove any fetishes where penetration can occur (e.g. tentacles). Until sex toys come along and the girls can start carrying dildos, even the Ivory Wraith can't take the PC's virginity (if they don't possess the 'tool' to do so and if Tentacles are disabled, they're replaced by disembodied hands that only grope and finger the PC forever), and the only ways to really lose Purity is if the PC is made to drink breast milk or is tribbing while both girls have high arousal. A town full of carnivourous lily flowers who would devour other lily flowers! Though I suppose it wouldn't be so fun if the player just wanted to see dicks being shoved into things, but males don't exist in this lily garden. Unless you wanted extra difficulty mode where the PC is the only one with a dick in a town full of full females (or play out that 'last girl in a world (town) of only males' scenario; in which case Bailey is 'right' for treating the PC like a walking money printer).

That said, even if you set it so that 'the town only consists of females', you will still get chased out and get detention for entering the Boy's Changing Room at school. I suppose with such settings, it's pretty much like those manga/doujin where males are just 'background mob characters', so they still 'exist' but is otherwise almost completely invisible to everyone else because they're not important at all.
 

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2 separate statements regarding 2 different things.

Someone said that you can lose it by low purity, but it never happened to me in multiple playtroughs.
And I have edited my game so sex normal doesn't cause falling
You lose 1 angelic point per day, if you don't have max purity 7/7 at midnight... I think?
So, to totally get rid of angel TF you need at least 50 days depending on the angelic points you have gained?
Or if you prefer editing, just edit out the angel points?
Angel keeping "virginity" is just a setting of the game, without this setting, there be no point for a fallen angel.
But... there isnt much content/ability/fun for fallen angel TF...
 

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It's literally just a drop down menu. Two clicks and bam, you're off to the races. So don't be put off if you're worried about fiddling with files and modding know-how!
I was a bit worried about that, yes hehe. So thanks! I'll try it then!
 

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Yeah two separate statements that contradict. You seem determined to hate on the angel tf even if you have to invent reasons that directly clash or are flat out wrong. You complain that it would be better if it were lost through having low purity when that is literally how it works right now.
Not lying. Never happened to me, despite me doin all kinds of s*** in multiple playtrough, hence why I tough it didn't work that way.
However, if there are two way to lose angel TF, how ithat better?

You complain that it blocks off fun stuff because they lower purity while just above noting that you've never in multiple playthroughs lost it by having low purity.
don't ask me how, I myself am confused how it never triggered.
I am playing with DoL+, but that shouldn't affect angel TF.

But avoiding vaginal/penile is not fun in a porn game. You can ONLY have sex with Sydney without losing the TF.


You complain that it's harder to get than any other tf when it can be acquired passively while doing nothing while all other tfs must be actively sought out and grinded for.
You have to hold on to high purity for a long while, not exactly easy. Well, with save/load everything is possible, but still.
No, spending the entire game in a chastity cage is not fun.

IF you want a chastity challenge/achievent, fine. But best not tie it to a TF.
 

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Not lying. Never happened to me, despite me doin all kinds of s*** in multiple playtrough, hence why I tough it didn't work that way.
However, if there are two way to lose angel TF, how ithat better?



don't ask me how, I myself am confused how it never triggered.
I am playing with DoL+, but that shouldn't affect angel TF.

But avoiding vaginal/penile is not fun in a porn game. You can ONLY have sex with Sydney without losing the TF.




You have to hold on to high purity for a long while, not exactly easy. Well, with save/load everything is possible, but still.
No, spending the entire game in a chastity cage is not fun.

IF you want a chastity challenge/achievent, fine. But best not tie it to a TF.
... then don't do it if you're not into it?
 

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So I could do the sane thing and play the game, or I could ask you all

Is there a part of this game where you can, legitimately, be the pet?
depends on your definition of "legitimately". there's not much explicit pet play, but some randos might write "pet" on you, and you can get a paw tattoo, and a hunter(ess) in the woods can nap you and put you on a leash, and you can get kemono transformations, and moo at robin, or request headpats, but there's no good "owners" npcs dedicated specifically to the kink. like, there's enough stuff to facilitate role-playing, but you'll have to use imagination.

You lose 1 angelic point per day, if you don't have max purity 7/7 at midnight... I think?
So, to totally get rid of angel TF you need at least 50 days depending on the angelic points you have gained?
no. no need to be at 7/7. every midnight - you gain 1 purity point, then 2 more if you're a true virgin (temple doesn't count), then multiply all that by the number of holy clothes you're wearing + 1. if you're at 1000 purity after all that - gain a point, otherwise - lose it. that's enough buffer that you'd have to masturbate to completion at least 3 times daily to offset angel purity gains. fail at that - lose 2 days of trying to lose angelicness the slow way. i guess it's worth mentioning that you don't turn into fallen angel that way, and can still gain the tf back if you want, as long as your virginity (this time including the temple one) is intact

But... there isnt much content/ability/fun for fallen angel TF...
angel requires commitment to virginity and full purity to keep it. demon requires even stronger commitment to daily impurity since even 1 point at midnight (before daily gains, obviously) will result in 100% stress and consequent passout. fallen angel is the middle ground option for when you're bored of angel tf, but don't wanna commit to demon either, while keeping some of the divine tf benefits. there's no need to care about virginity, nor daily purity, because even though you lose 9 points daily - attending saturday mass restores 70 points vs 63 that you lose in a week between. and that's before modifiers, which can cover a lot of sinning. admittedly, the perks are not as strong, but you do still keep the wings and some perks to combine with non-bird tfs. staying above 900 purity for 30 days straight will even give prettier wings and a "disparage" ability, which is basically a "mock" action with 100% chance to target the right insecurity. and once achieved - you don't even have to maintain 900+ purity after, the requirement then becomes just 10+ purity at the end of the day, as you're a forgiven fallen now.
 
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(Fallen Angel comment)
To be honest, starting out as a Fallen Angel via spending Feat Boost points is the best if you wanted some sort of halo/wings without being a bird person. Sure, you don't start out at the 'forgiven' stage right away, but if all the player wants is to be some sort of angel and also have sex whenever they want, it's the best option, especially since doing so has the PC start out with their penile/vaginal virginity already lost from Day 1 ('Taken by unknown'). Though the Fallen Angel PC has to last until they reached the 'forgiven' stage first. It's probably also in vanilla, but in DoLP you can change the colour of your (Fallen) Angel wings, so once Forgiven you could change it to white-ish again if having the white angel wings is what's most important to you. Note that if you use the image packs like Goose, they might not support the custom colours on the wings thing (you can fiddle with the colours but nothing changes). As an additional note, for some reason you can change the colour of your angel wings but not the colour of your Bird TF wings.

For those unaware, the 'Forgiven Fallen Angel' mentioned here isn't the same as the one where a Fallen Angel PC can go to Jordan at the Temple and 'ask for forgiveness' for a 10k cost - what Jordan will do is remove the Fallen Angel TF from the PC (which, given that the PC can no longer get 1000 Purity due to losing penile/vaginal virginity, means they cannot regain Angel or Fallen Angel TF after). This was from a long time ago where if you lost penile/vaginal virginity as an Angel and became a Fallen Angel, other than constant suffering with no real gain, the only options available to the Fallen Angel PC was to fall all the way to becoming a Demon TF or to have it removed via Jordan. Eventually an option was put in where despite always losing a lot of Purity every midnight, if the PC tried to maintain their Purity anyway (having Purity at 6/7 'You don't feel entirely pure' at midnight), after getting 30 points in that you become a 'Forgiven Fallen Angel'.

That said, a Forgiven Fallen Angel don't have the ability to just banish tentacles and will not have access to the Angel specific dialogue options that can allow the PC to avoid some skill checks (e.g. when an Angel PC successfully retrieves a certain spear), so if having access to those things is what's important to the player, then well, don't be sticking things or having things stuck into you where they're not supposed to and have follow some Degree of Abstinence.
 

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How hard is it to grasp the concept of "I like angel visuals, but hate the virgintiy aspect"?
Yes. You have a specific preference. But where the hell do you get off saying the angel transformation is "S***" because of that? How hard is it for YOU to grasp that not everything in the universe exists to cater to your specific tastes? I'm not into futa but that doesn't mean futa is "SHIT" and should be patched to appeal to me. Just stfu.
 

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depends on your definition of "legitimately". there's not much explicit pet play, but some randos might write "pet" on you, and you can get a paw tattoo, and a hunter(ess) in the woods can nap you and put you on a leash, and you can get kemono transformations, and moo at robin, or request headpats, but there's no good "owners" npcs dedicated specifically to the kink. like, there's enough stuff to facilitate role-playing, but you'll have to use imagination.


no. no need to be at 7/7. every midnight - you gain 1 purity point, then 2 more if you're a true virgin (temple doesn't count), then multiply all that by the number of holy clothes you're wearing + 1. if you're at 1000 purity after all that - gain a point, otherwise - lose it. that's enough buffer that you'd have to masturbate to completion at least 3 times daily to offset angel purity gains. fail at that - lose 2 days of trying to lose angelicness the slow way. i guess it's worth mentioning that you don't turn into fallen angel that way, and can still gain the tf back if you want, as long as your virginity (this time including the temple one) is intact


angel requires commitment to virginity and full purity to keep it. demon requires even stronger commitment to daily impurity since even 1 point at midnight (before daily gains, obviously) will result in 100% stress and consequent passout. fallen angel is the middle ground option for when you're bored of angel tf, but don't wanna commit to demon either, while keeping some of the divine tf benefits. there's no need to care about virginity, nor daily purity, because even though you lose 9 points daily - attending saturday mass restores 70 points vs 63 that you lose in a week between. and that's before modifiers, which can cover a lot of sinning. admittedly, the perks are not as strong, but you do still keep the wings and some perks to combine with non-bird tfs. staying above 900 purity for 30 days straight will even give prettier wings and a "disparage" ability, which is basically a "mock" action with 100% chance to target the right insecurity. and once achieved - you don't even have to maintain 900+ purity after, the requirement then becomes just 10+ purity at the end of the day, as you're a forgiven fallen now.
Ah i didnt know that fallen angel has a "mock" battle skill.
I cannot bare to let my first Angel PC become a fallen angel, since falling is irreversible.
So i am thinking to start new a game going the demon path, skipping fallen angel totally...
If i am right, angel and demon TF can go back and forth as long as you keep virginity and not become a fallen angel, i think.
 
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Yes. You have a specific preference. But where the hell do you get off saying the angel transformation is "S***" because of that? How hard is it for YOU to grasp that not everything in the universe exists to cater to your specific tastes? I'm not into futa but that doesn't mean futa is "SHIT" and should be patched to appeal to me. Just stfu.
Futa is a fetish.
Virginity is game mechanic.

There's a difference. And no.
 

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Virginity is also a fetish.
And those who like it - great for them. You do relaise tis only strengthens my position no?

I have an angel fetish.
But I cannot have it without being forced into virgintiy (which is another fetish).

Two fetishes shouldn't be intrinsicly combined.


Suppose you like catgirls*, but hate anal*, but the game mechanic is that you can only become and remain a catgirl by constantly engaging in anal? Would you like it?

*replace with anything you like and hate
 

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And those who like it - great for them. You do relaise tis only strengthens my position no?

I have an angel fetish.
But I cannot have it without being forced into virgintiy (which is another fetish).

Two fetishes shouldn't be intrinsicly combined.


Suppose you like catgirls*, but hate anal*, but the game mechanic is that you can only become and remain a catgirl by constantly engaging in anal? Would you like it?

*replace with anything you like and hate
Except there is a strong thematic link between angels, virginity and the ideas of purity.
 

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Except there is a strong thematic link between angels, virginity and the ideas of purity.
Purity yes, virginity no.
And it would also depend on which religion you are talkgin about. Finally, this is a ficitonal religion that clearly departs from christianity.

Gameplay and user comfort >>>> thematic links
 

boon4791

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Tell that to the god (vrelnir) that create this world (game)... us mortal has no say in this matter... this is his/her religion...
 
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Gameplay and user comfort >>>> thematic links
I really kind of just hate this argument. If you try to shove every part of every piece of media into its own little walled garden you just end up sabotaging the quality overall. Without themes impacting gameplay and gameplay impacting themes you just kind of end up with a mash of uninspired gruel without context or flavor. In order for thematic bits and gameplay bits to really stand out they need to work WITH and be influenced BY other parts of the whole otherwise its just another generic story point or gameplay element that means nothing.
 
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