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SomeOriginalUsername

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Laethas said:
Kinda weird they brushed you off. You asked them on their discord? If I were them, I wouldn't refuse free assets done right tbh.
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Not weird at all in a commercial project, really. I can't speak for the devs here, but basically there's legal risks if an entity that's not registered as a non-profit or government organization uses volunteers, because any benefits you give a volunteer counts as compensation for their work, which brings employment laws into play.

So for example, say you're making a game, a volunteer programmer puts in 200 hours of work into it, you sell the game for $50, and give the programmer a free copy as gratitude for helping you out. The volunteer can now turn around and sue you for only "paying" them $50 for 200 hours of work, criminally below minimum wage.

It's not even theoretical, back in 2000 volunteer GMs for Ultima Online sued Origin Systems over this exact issue: they volunteered to moderate the MMO, got some benefits in return for it, and wound up filing a class action lawsuit to get paid for their work instead. The industry learned to not use volunteers after that.
 
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I finally received my new GPU and I used this game/demo to pop its cherry. I liked it . It's promising especially knowing that there's not a lot of good 3D H games with an interesting story . The dialogues are still rough but I 'm sure the devs will correct this later . I already see why a lot of people won't like it, you have to choose what you do with your character while the time continue its course and you can't stop it and can't go back if you miss something specific . Personally it doesn't bother me because you can interact with things contrary to some soulless open world H games where there is nothing to do . Something I would like is an option to slow the clock by ×2 or ×4 to have more time to roam and search around and a flashlight (even if it's a bad flashlight for the ambiance) but I'm sure that it's already planned .
 
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Pgazet said:
I finally received my new GPU and I used this game/demo to pop its cherry. I liked it . It's promising especially knowing that there's not a lot of good 3D H games with an interesting story . The dialogues are still rough but I 'm sure the devs will correct this later . I already see why a lot of people won't like it, you have to choose what you do with your character while the time continue its course and you can't stop it and can't go back if you miss something specific . Personally it doesn't bother me because you can interact with things contrary to some soulless open world H games where there is nothing to do . Something I would like is an option to slow the clock by ×2 or ×4 to have more time to roam and search around and a flashlight (even if it's a bad flashlight for the ambiance) but I'm sure that it's already planned .
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If what the devs say they are planning is the truth, then the time constraints are not an issue, supposedly only the 5-7 first days are time sensitive and those are "in the past" and the rest of the game will be sandbox-like. So I assume those days will be more like a "character creation arc"(make the skills/flaws/kinks/virtues of your character known) rather than something you have to stress about min/maxing.
 
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Laethas

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Kapios223 said:
I don't think it's that weird, There are plenty of reasons to refuse free help.
For one you can't guarantee that the free help is up to par with what you need. For another I am certain there are plenty of would be "helpers" who volunteer just to get "early access" to the game. Then you have the fact that you can't really count on a free helper, he has no real stakes on this so they will work slow, or whenever they have free time and desire to work.Then you might have those who want to "steer" the project towards their own kinks.

Then you might have the "nefarious" individuals who might just want to just be a nuisance or even get trusted enough and be put in a position he can damage the project, or even take it "hostage"(it's far fetched I know, but it's just a thing that might happen) .

Just because something is free it doesn't mean you should get it.

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts, and what not.
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What I had in mind was the guy sending them assets without having access to the project whatsoever. But I think you and SomeOriginalUsername answered what could go wrong.

SomeOriginalUsername said:
Not weird at all in a commercial project, really. I can't speak for the devs here, but basically there's legal risks if an entity that's not registered as a non-profit or government organization uses volunteers, because any benefits you give a volunteer counts as compensation for their work, which brings employment laws into play.

So for example, say you're making a game, a volunteer programmer puts in 200 hours of work into it, you sell the game for $50, and give the programmer a free copy as gratitude for helping you out. The volunteer can now turn around and sue you for only "paying" them $50 for 200 hours of work, criminally below minimum wage.

It's not even theoretical, back in 2000 volunteer GMs for Ultima Online sued Origin Systems over this exact issue: they volunteered to moderate the MMO, got some benefits in return for it, and wound up filing a class action lawsuit to get paid for their work instead. The industry learned to not use volunteers after that.
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Thanks for the insight, I guess I'm too gullible for this world. Out of curiosity, since you seem more knowledgeable than I on that topic, can a volunteer sue a company if he hasn't received any benefits, unlike your example?
 
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Laethas said:
Small correction, it's 7 days, not 5. I understand why they're doing it that way, they can test and implement new features on a smaller scale and wait for the open-world to be fleshed out for an interesting experience. Not really in the player's favor until they reach that point though.

Kinda weird they brushed you off. You asked them on their discord? If I were them, I wouldn't refuse free assets done right tbh.
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Yes I asked here and in their Discord. In the discord they said something like it would be too difficult to bring someone on? Which makes me think they aren't using source control effectively. Maybe they are using it, but if it's making it difficult to bring one person onto your tiny team, then you are not using source control very well or at all.
 
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SomeOriginalUsername

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Laethas said:
Thanks for the insight, I guess I'm too gullible for this world. Out of curiosity, since you seem more knowledgeable than I on that topic, can a volunteer sue a company if he hasn't received any benefits, unlike your example?
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I'm not really qualified to say, I just happen to know about this particular industry quirk because I played UO and one of my friends happened to be a volunteer GM, so I paid quite a bit of attention to the case. That said, for-profit companies only get away with using volunteers if it's for a charity event, typically employees (and maybe their family members) are the only volunteers and they don't get any sort of benefits or compensation for it. I think in those cases the lawsuits only happen if the employees accuse the employer of pressuring them to volunteer.

People might also wonder if unpaid internships count as volunteer work, but that's technically legal because it's classified as education, since students get the position through their college programs.
 
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