Ren'Py Desert Stalker [v0.16c] [Zetan]

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

It's unequivocally cuckold behavior. If any man offered me his woman I'd instantly consider him that. No matter his power. But there is no point "arguing" over something we'll never agree on.

Probably not. Are pimps cucks then in your world?

 

[Zolse]

Probably not. Are pimps cucks then in your world?

I don't think you're arguing honestly. What kind of pimp lives with, marries and loves his whores? Unless you're arguing MC considers his wife and daughter prostitutes I'm not really seeing it. I don't think "his woman" needed clarification that I didn't mean a pimp and a whore

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Yeah, I'm not done with everything, but Omar seems like handy victim waiting to happen. Poor dude.

Indeed he is.

It's unequivocally cuckold behavior. If any man offered me his woman I'd instantly consider him that. No matter his power.

eh...there's various definitions online. From a biological standpoint, it's about the cuckoo bird (where cuckold derives from) laying its eggs in other birds nests for them to take care of. In human sexuality, it's more about the wife being adulterous (not having permission)..but then seems to have evolved to when the husband being excited about it and encouraging it. There's the humiliation aspect, also, that some men get from it. And then back to the cuckoo bird laying its eggs in other bird's nests...there are some cuckolds who go even further by letting another man impregnate their wife and then taking care of the resulting child.

Anyway...none of those things seem to be the MC here. It's part of their culture, much like in Roman society where everyone was more sexually free.

 

[JaxMan]

Has there been any examples of sharing that's not the MC sharing his girls? There is a lot of talk about the in-universe lore of cuckold behavior, but I can't seem to see any evidence of this happening from the perspective of someone not MC.

I wouldn't count Igors niece personally, but perhaps some would disagree. There certainly isn't any examples of the "Hello, welcome. Have some tea, crumpets and my daughters mouth" that you see with MC.

There is even clearly noted how very bad it would be if your in-law discovers you fucked his daughter or how he reacts to you fondling his wife's shoulders. By some of the logic I've read here, your in-law should make a power move by offering you his wife or daughter.

Well, there was an moment at the oasis that looked like it could have happened with everyone if the MC and Shani were interested, but the choice was not present. The Queen shares her slaves. There has been very few, if any, other males that you have encountered who would be in a position to share. Igor's niece wasn't his to share, so doesn't count. Maybe the general counts as he could have offered his sister, but that wasn't something he would do, personal choice as it were. His BIL doesn't count since he doesn't have the power in his household to do something like that. So, the lack of many examples doesn't really mean anything. We would need to meet more people like the MC

 

[jimmyjambles]

It's unequivocally cuckold behavior. If any man offered me his woman I'd instantly consider him that. No matter his power. But there is no point "arguing" over something we'll never agree on.

Cuckholding is inherently non-consensual. There is literally no way to define cuckoldry without the component of consent. If Igor had pressured Zetan into sharing, then sure, cuckoldry would enter the picture. Instead, Zetan volunteered his women without any pre-existing expectation from the other party, and Zetan had total control over the nature and extent of the arrangement.

This isn't a matter of people deciding to disagree. Sometimes one person is simply incorrect in their understanding of a word or concept.

 

[JaxMan]

Indeed he is.


eh...there's various definitions online. From a biological standpoint, it's about the cuckoo bird (where cuckold derives from) laying its eggs in other birds nests for them to take care of. In human sexuality, it's more about the wife being adulterous (not having permission)..but then seems to have evolved to when the husband being excited about it and encouraging it. There's the humiliation aspect, also, that some men get from it. And then back to the cuckoo bird laying its eggs in other bird's nests...there are some cuckolds who go even further by letting another man impregnate their wife and then taking care of the resulting child.

Anyway...none of those things seem to be the MC here. It's part of their culture, much like in Roman society where everyone was more sexually free.

Yes, sharing, at least in the real world, is a mutual decision by the woman and man, usually both particiapating and isn't meant to humilate or degrade the other person. Here it seems it means to show hospitality and part of that is to provide sexual pleasure if your guest so chooses to participate.

 

[Zolse]

eh...there's various definitions online. From a biological standpoint, it's about the cuckoo bird (where cuckold derives from) laying its eggs in other birds nests for them to take care of. In human sexuality, it's more about the wife being adulterous (not having permission)..but then seems to have evolved to when the husband being excited about it and encouraging it. There's the humiliation aspect, also, that some men get from it. And then back to the cuckoo bird laying its eggs in other bird's nests...there are some cuckolds who go even further by letting another man impregnate their wife and then taking care of the resulting child.

Anyway...none of those things seem to be the MC here. It's part of their culture, much like in Roman society where everyone was more sexually free.

Yeah, cuck has had it's meaning changed quite a bit with the internet. You can easily find books where men would accuse their spouse of "making a cuckold out of them". I read that as it being more of descriptive and not concretely derogatory like many consider it now.

I don't agree with the whole culture part until we some actual proof. A lore text just seems like an excuse to me. But I agree it doesn't specifically write the MC into being a cuck, but it does make the player into one.

Cuckholding is inherently non-consensual. There is literally no way to define cuckoldry without the component of consent. If Igor had pressured Zetan into sharing, then sure, cuckoldry would enter the picture. Instead, Zetan volunteered his women without any pre-existing expectation from the other party, and Zetan had total control over the nature and extent of the arrangement.

This isn't a matter of people deciding to disagree. Sometimes one person is simply incorrect in their understanding of a word or concept.

Cuckoldry is already established in written text as a fetish and it does involve mutual agreement. Referencing a Cambridge dictionary and disregarding a decade of cultural actualities is nonsensical.
I think a site update killed my post

Anyway I'm bed. Goodnight.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I don't agree with the whole culture part until we some actual proof. A lore text just seems like an excuse to me. But I agree it doesn't specifically write the MC into being a cuck, but it does make the player into one.

Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't happening. But...yes, I'd like to see it from MC's perspective, as well. Let him visit a friend or even an acquaintance and have them offer their women. That would be hot as fuck.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I don't think you're arguing honestly. What kind of pimp lives with, marries and loves his whores? Unless you're arguing MC considers his wife and daughter prostitutes I'm not really seeing it. I don't think "his woman" needed clarification that I didn't mean a pimp and a whore

I'm not equating them, I'm trying to move in baby steps to get you to see why the context matters. So if a pimp isn't a cuckold, I assume you'd agree it's not the financial transaction that differs, but the cohabitation? Or probably more love, since many pimps probably have a stable for their working girls. Does this mean a husband and wife who going swinging with another couple are cucking themselves?


I'll be transparent - I think many, including yourself here, deliberately misuse the word "cuckold" as they're aware of the pejorative nature, and seek to associate it with something they don't like -regardless of that activity they don't like actually fits the definition or not. It's like politics 101, your opponent may not actually fit the dictionary definition of a "fascist" (said by leftie), or a "socialist" (said by rightie), but if you say it enough times, the audience will start to associate it.

For myself I couldn't care less if I'm termed as a cuckold or not. I know what I like - swinging, sharing, when the wife is into it and the other guy is respectful, so people can call it whatever they want, my feelings wont be hurt, and I won't change what I like, but I argue these things because I strongly resent vocal minorities trying to influence a developer's artistic vision for a game - and that's what these scuffles really boil down to. If people just didn't like something they saw or read or played, they'd stop watching, reading, or playing it and go about their way. But they need to make others aware, in an attempt to sway opinion.

 

[hysepReC]

I'll be transparent - I think many, including yourself here, deliberately misuse the word "cuckold" as they're aware of the pejorative nature, and seek to associate it with something they don't like -regardless of that activity they don't like actually fits the definition or not. It's like politics 101, your opponent may not actually fit the dictionary definition of a "fascist" (said by leftie), or a "socialist" (said by rightie), but if you say it enough times, the audience will start to associate it.

The word isn't being misused, the MC lets another man fuck his wife while he watches. If that's not cuckoldry, then i don't know what is. People talk about the sharing in this game being a way for the MC to show his control over the women but i prefer to call a spade a spade, or in this case, a cuck a cuck. Take a look at the last image in this post and tell me that isn't supposed to appeal to the cuck crowd.

And btw, there's no actual "swinging" in this game, just cuck scenes. The MC never swaps partners with anyone.

 

[jimmyjambles]

Cuckoldry is already established in written text as a fetish and it does involve mutual agreement. Referencing a Cambridge dictionary and disregarding a decade of cultural actualities is nonsensical.

I mean, you can cling to the absolute most conservative definition of a word, but the western world we inhabit no longer broadly embraces the original patriarchal belief where the simple act of a married woman having sex with another man is cuckoldry. English is a living language where meanings evolve as the culture evolves. Oxford

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"the husband of an adulteress, often regarded as an object of derision, ultimately derived from Old French cucu ‘cuckoo’, from the cuckoo's habit of laying its egg in another bird's nest." Wikipedia

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"the husband of an adulterous wife." With the component of adultery, we circle back...to consent.

This isn't really a discussion about word definitions. It's really about conservative versus liberal perceptions of masculinity, and about possession of agency.

 

[The Senior Perv]

Ah, debates in this thread are always pretty good.

 

[punisher2099]

Well, there was an moment at the oasis that looked like it could have happened with everyone if the MC and Shani were interested, but the choice was not present. The Queen shares her slaves. There has been very few, if any, other males that you have encountered who would be in a position to share. Igor's niece wasn't his to share, so doesn't count. Maybe the general counts as he could have offered his sister, but that wasn't something he would do, personal choice as it were. His BIL doesn't count since he doesn't have the power in his household to do something like that. So, the lack of many examples doesn't really mean anything. We would need to meet more people like the MC

You know reading this paragraph it's almost comical how there's always a reason why there's no sharing for the mc. Would sharing fans enjoy if another male in this setting shared the women in their household with Zeton?

 

[Nikko_]

eh, not how I see it. It's like, MC could tell Zahra to get on her knees, open her mouth, and then use her like a toilet if he wanted. That can be seen as "positive" empowerment, I guess? Because she's doing it for the very reasons you say, such as his desirability, etc.

Anyway, my point was more about how everyone can view these things differently. The feeling of empowerment can come from different mindsets. A certain fetish can do different things for them depending on their mindset/viewpoint of it.

Regardless, I'm in favor of the story's lore on why the sharing can occur in this society. I feel it adds more depth and shows MC isn't offering his women's services simply because he gets off on them being with other men.

Dude, how the hell is using Zahra as a toilet a form of empowerment? WTF are you on?
Zahra would of course go along with being used(there is no empowerment) because she has accepted her position, and because ultimately she loves Zaton. That doesn't mean she would be happy about it. And in the rare case she was into that sh*t fetish, I still doesn't see how something like that can be called empowerment.
And on the bit that some ppl want to place Zaton as a cuck, so far no option makes him one. When you go for sharing he is not getting off on it, he's not jealous about it, and he has his own thing going with the niece(which started before the sharing).

 

[muschi26]

Dude, how the hell is using Zahra as a toilet a form of empowerment?

In the sense that it's a “power move” on Zaton's part. By proxy, it's empowering to the player that they can make Zahra do that kind of thing.

 

[DarkFernando]

Do we know when next release comes?

 

[jimmyjambles]

Ah, debates in this thread are always pretty good.

It's kind of wild to even be having a discussion like this here, but I'm into it. I hope this hasn't been too annoying for people who just want to know when the next update will drop

 

[Kellermann]

Desert Stalker broke into the single digits in the F95 ranking lads! Currently sitting at #9...ahead of COBD!
That is quite an accomplishment I would say. Nice work.

 

[SSBBSNAKE]

Even Netflix's Resident Evil has more sense than this fking rant of cucks and gigachads...

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Desert Stalker broke into the single digits in the F95 ranking lads! Currently sitting at #9...ahead of COBD!
That is quite an accomplishment I would say. Nice work.

As it should be! My first playthrough, I kept having the same thought: Now THIS is what a PORN GAME should be! Constant fucking- everyone, wives, daughters, neighbors, mothers, violence, action, yeah!