Ren'Py Desert Stalker [v0.17.1.2 2024-12-30] [Zetan]

[Green83rry]

The whole notion that manliness has to equate with controlling things and people, and being possessive of them to the point of jealousy is a bit silly to me.

It's perfectly fine to be jealous of one's significant other and/or not wanting to share their affection/time/body.
The reason for it can be a cultural taboo, a personal preference, an interpretation of mutual devotion, an insecurity, a reaction to past experiences or anything else. They're all valid reasons.

Making out that having a different disposition and being open to sharing means one is less manly or beta or whatever other label is in fashion this week, to me, simply means not having the life experience, knowledge/education or ability to discuss the topic.

The desire, or simple openness to share one's partner can have just as many reasons.. a personal kink, a thirst for new experiences, consideration for the desires and cravings of the partner, not caring for the partner enough to be jealous of her/him... Having a sex/porn addiction...
None of these have anything to do with one's "manliness" whatever that's supposed to be.

There are a bunch of couples and marriages that implode when the notion of opening it to third parties is explored. Most likely due to a lack of communication, consideration and/or clearly defined boundaries. In short, people who were not on the same page and weren't honest about it.

The people in couples that thrive and enjoy swinging or other non exclusive configurations, in my experience, are much more solid, much more in touch with eachother's emotions, much more confident of their partner's affection, love, devotion and integrity. They believe in their relationship enough to let each other play around outside its confines.

If anything, Zaton knows that in the end, his wife will always put him first, return to him and be devoted to him above all others, whether she occasionally has a fling with others or gets railed by another man/woman or not.
The same applies in the other direction. Zahra is a strong woman in her own right, who would not abide a man being unfaithful to her if she didn't know with absolute certainty that she's the first and last woman he will ever truly need, that he'll always come back to her and would die to protect her not just because hurting her is an affront towards himself but because he genuinely cares for her above all else.
Their relationship is their strength and it's so solid that they can indulge in whatever pleasure they pursue without shame or doubt. And it is true for both of them.

It may not be the most popular viewpoint, but to me that shows strength and confidence that's unmatched by most of the main characters in other harem games. A strength in relationship, devotion and mutual acknowledgement...

In most other games, the women are the only ones who bend over backwards for the main guy, who otherwise jumps between relationships with the permanence and truthfulness of a psychotic slot machine, effectively playing 5 different relationships in isolated boxes.
I like to think that whatever relationship Zaton pursues with other women, builds on the love story between him and Zahra, and isn't played out against it or despite of it, but rather feed one into the other.... And in that picture, I don't find it implausible that he might want to occasionally share the love or lust with others who are dear to him... Whether it's for his own pleasure/benefit or that of his loved ones.

Dude, no one is kink shaming you and you don't have to use mental gymnastics to rationalize that swingers actually have deeper relationships than the normies. You're a cuck and that's cool. Most of the rest of us aren't and that's pretty cool too. If you want to share your post-apocalyptic wives with us, that's great! Just accept that we kindly won't reciprocate.

S'alright? S'alriiiiiight

 

[TheOldestDream]

Hours of replay? Well, only if you want to enjoy the game again, because with the skip function (standard for RenPy) it takes about 10-15 minutes. And that's if you stick to your choices.
It's better to spend some of that time replaying, since:
- many people have already made it to the end of 0.17;
- the game has a lot of choices that have consequences, you may not like someone else's playthrough;
- this is a sandbox and there is no clear division into releases, some quests (not interesting to the player) may not have been completed, and you will still need to pass them, some will be completed before 0.17;
- downloading saves for RenPy games from the internet

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- and finally it's just a good game that can be replayed again.
If you are only interested in content in the gallery, then use the mod that opens the gallery.

When i press Skip after new game starts and i enter my gore and other enabling choices and stuff, nothing happens. Any idea why ?

 

[bfc233]

Insecurity complex may not be the right term. There is clearly an insecurity, but it is not an insecurity complex or a lack of self-confidence. Why is a man fundamentally opposed to a woman who belongs to him seeing another man? Is it because he doesn't trust her? Or because he knows a "man" very well because he is a man himself? It would be too shallow to confuse the protective attitude here with a complex. Zotan is a warrior. Zotan is perhaps the most masculine character in that corrupt world. It's a natural testosterone thing to want to protect his harem.

There is a very simple reason that underlies this problem in nature. The romans made it into a legal principle with a very fitting name.

pater semper incertus est.

The Father is always uncertain.

Almost all sexual behavior in primates, the majority of the ritualized behavior in humans, like marriage, and behavior like mate guarding are rooted in this simple problem.

So, you can extrapolate the following: sharing behavior will arise when there is a) an overabundance of available mates, you deduced that correctly, or b) when the 'shared mate' is not actually seen as a viable mate by the individual making them available and finally c) a human uses its brain to rationalize the behavior in one of a myriad ways.

Sharing Ain for example could be seen as 'please just get pregnant by some sob so I can shotgun wedding you out of my house'. This would, especially in regards to the setting, be prevalent to do with Igor, who already shares a close bond with our main character, which would generally be settled by marrying one of his daughters.

That said, Zeta seems weird enough about inheritance rules that I'm not entirely comfortable making guesses.
There is something weird going on with the title of ruling monarch going from queen to queen that warrants a little explanation.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

The whole notion that manliness has to equate with controlling things and people, and being possessive of them to the point of jealousy is a bit silly to me.

It's perfectly fine to be jealous of one's significant other and/or not wanting to share their affection/time/body.
The reason for it can be a cultural taboo, a personal preference, an interpretation of mutual devotion, an insecurity, a reaction to past experiences or anything else. They're all valid reasons.

Making out that having a different disposition and being open to sharing means one is less manly or beta or whatever other label is in fashion this week, to me, simply means not having the life experience, knowledge/education or ability to discuss the topic.

The desire, or simple openness to share one's partner can have just as many reasons.. a personal kink, a thirst for new experiences, consideration for the desires and cravings of the partner, not caring for the partner enough to be jealous of her/him... Having a sex/porn addiction...
None of these have anything to do with one's "manliness" whatever that's supposed to be.

There are a bunch of couples and marriages that implode when the notion of opening it to third parties is explored. Most likely due to a lack of communication, consideration and/or clearly defined boundaries. In short, people who were not on the same page and weren't honest about it.

The people in couples that thrive and enjoy swinging or other non exclusive configurations, in my experience, are much more solid, much more in touch with eachother's emotions, much more confident of their partner's affection, love, devotion and integrity. They believe in their relationship enough to let each other play around outside its confines.

If anything, Zaton knows that in the end, his wife will always put him first, return to him and be devoted to him above all others, whether she occasionally has a fling with others or gets railed by another man/woman or not.
The same applies in the other direction. Zahra is a strong woman in her own right, who would not abide a man being unfaithful to her if she didn't know with absolute certainty that she's the first and last woman he will ever truly need, that he'll always come back to her and would die to protect her not just because hurting her is an affront towards himself but because he genuinely cares for her above all else.
Their relationship is their strength and it's so solid that they can indulge in whatever pleasure they pursue without shame or doubt. And it is true for both of them.

It may not be the most popular viewpoint, but to me that shows strength and confidence that's unmatched by most of the main characters in other harem games. A strength in relationship, devotion and mutual acknowledgement...

In most other games, the women are the only ones who bend over backwards for the main guy, who otherwise jumps between relationships with the permanence and truthfulness of a psychotic slot machine, effectively playing 5 different relationships in isolated boxes.
I like to think that whatever relationship Zaton pursues with other women, builds on the love story between him and Zahra, and isn't played out against it or despite of it, but rather feed one into the other.... And in that picture, I don't find it implausible that he might want to occasionally share the love or lust with others who are dear to him... Whether it's for his own pleasure/benefit or that of his loved ones.

It seems like you are approaching this from the mindset of someone treating this like the 21st century, a world where a variety of contraception is available, so unwanted pregnancy and the cost of raising that child/those children is not an issue.

Zaton and his family live in a post-apocalyptic time when resources are very constrained and there is No modern contraception.

Any conception by any member of Zaton's family is his responsibility to provide for.

There is a difference between a bit pf groping play or even oral versus creampie sex (or the 'don't worry, I'll pull out...' method).

While you can certainly apply whatever porn logic you want to any AVN, I have not seen anything from the dev saying that Zahra is no longer fertile.

I've seen no communication between Zaton and Zahra where he pines for the chance to provide for and raise the children of other men.

I get that there is a sharing kink that some want to see expanded upon over and over again, and they will ignore any aspect of the story that interferes with this kink.

This kink, like every other kink in the story, should have no part in dominating the story.

IMO, it is just one of Many kinks that deserve story time, and it should both fit the story and not break immersion.

Cheers!!

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

It seems like you are approaching this from the mindset of someone treating this like the 21st century, a world where a variety of contraception is available, so unwanted pregnancy and the cost of raising that child/those children is not an issue.

Zaton and his family live in a post-apocalyptic time when resources are very constrained and there is No modern contraception.

Any conception by any member of Zaton's family is his responsibility to provide for.

There is a difference between a bit pf groping play or even oral versus creampie sex (or the 'don't worry, I'll pull out...' method).

While you can certainly apply whatever porn logic you want to any AVN, I have not seen anything from the dev saying that Zahra is no longer fertile.

I've seen no communication between Zaton and Zahra where he pines for the chance to provide for and raise the children of other men.

I get that there is a sharing kink that some want to see expanded upon over and over again, and they will ignore any aspect of the story that interferes with this kink.

This kink, like every other kink in the story, should have no part in dominating the story.

IMO, it is just one of Many kinks that deserve story time, and it should both fit the story and not break immersion.

Cheers!!

Just so you're aware, you're responding to someone who is apart of the dev team...

 

[colombianhoes]

I get that there is a sharing kink that some want to see expanded upon over and over again, and they will ignore any aspect of the story that interferes with this kink.

You are talking like sharing kinks get to happen in a game "over and over again" like you said. No, it doesnt.
I'd argue its actually more immersive or realistic seeing other couples in the game, in action even better if possible, not just pimping out your girls, but even so, its their culture, lore seems to imply this. You talk about breaking immersion while im willing to bet people that dont wanna see any men in this game would agree with you lol

This kink, like every other kink in the story, should have no part in dominating the story.

And its not, yours actually is and yall still afraid or something
Just admit you wanna see less of it, case closed.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

They dont care about none of that, they only care for when is the next update and when can they suck Zahras boobs, thats all.

Which it´s fine with me, too bad they don´t understand the rest. Or they do, but they just don´t want that in the game. Which is stupid when it´s avoidable.