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Thank you so much, this mean a lot for me because I respect and take in account your opinions a lot
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i got error in last update 0.09b android port
Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.
While running game code:
File "game/scripts/day9.rpy", line 1379, in <module>
NameError: name 'dissolvere' is not defined
-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------
Full traceback:
File "scripts/day9.rpyc", line 1379, in script
File "renpy/ast.py", line 1436, in execute
File "renpy/python.py", line 2276, in py_eval
File "renpy/python.py", line 2269, in py_eval_bytecode
File "game/scripts/day9.rpy", line 1379, in <module>
NameError: name 'dissolvere' is not defined
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A patriarchy or matriarchy isn't determined by whether the monarch, president, prime minister
is a boy or a girl but by the social structure of a society. The state, represented in this game by Queen Merneith, merely upholds the political, economic and social structures of existing society.
An example of how men are socially dominant in Zeta is the fact that your wife apologises for "speaking out of turn" when the MC raises his voice at her during an argument. Women are supposed to be submissive to men, at least in relationships.
In Zeta women clearly do not share equal status with men. Nor is the sexual division of labour equal, women take part in harems with men; female priests are used as incubators by men; women can be prostituted to reduce their sentences, and your wife is expected to perform the domestic tasks. What makes the slavic girl seem useful to the household in the writers' and the MC's mind is that she can cook better meals for the MC than the wife, there's a whole scene dedicated to this aspect. That women are traditionally expected to perform all the household chores is established when you meet your wife's sister. The harem wouldn't exist without the patriarchal nature of this society (nor this porn game). Even one of your daughters is expected to be part of the harem and sleep with you. The only reason the MC doesn't sleep with his eldest is because she's inherited his role as Stalker, and he doesn't want her to die or whatever. If this is what it's like in a Stalker's household what is it like for women in normal households?
You can see in this thread alone that players consider the possibility of your wife having sex with others to be humiliating. Yet the MC is free to do so at his whim without question. Men are polygamous, while we haven't seen any polygamous women except the Queen - who, by the way, has to do so in secret. I find it odd that she happens to enjoy gay sexual relations, yet she's attracted to the MC. You'd think male concubines might exist, but this game is geared towards straight men, hence the need for Zeta's apparent patriarchical social relations.
I don't know where you get the idea that because some women are strong that this is a blow against the argument that the civilization is patriarchal. The point in a women being "strong" in feminist literature terms means that the character is well-written, treated as a person by the writer - not that she's a Marvel Mary Sue or individually has some kind of power over men.
You mean like Rabiah's husband, who's written blatantly as the internet dubbed soyboy or beta male (with a noted weak handshake what a wimpy baby), contrasted with our strong, hypermasculine alpha-male MC who'll try to fuck his wife, and (optionally) possessively grope his own in front of him lol?
Come on, people, are you seriously discussing patriarchy in a sci-fi post-apocalyptic society in a porn game? One could argue whether society would revert to it in case of a breakdown which is a typical cliché but should you? This a great game and an interesting story, the MC is supposed to be one of the guys who thrive in this world, either enjoy it for what it is or find another game and setting which better suits your tastes.
- Oct 21, 2020
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you got a couple of things right, and others you got wrong.
the main point you get right:
Zetan society is ruled by a few main figures: the queen, who is always called Merneith and always a woman; the head priestess, also a woman. Priestesses as a whole have one of the highest status in Zetan society and are the ones who vet the male candidates for the "vessels" (who, if they make it through the decades of service, will in turn become priestesses). The male candidates are, in this sense, rather disposable and selected for their good physical and character attributes. it is an honour to "incubate" as you put it, one of the vessels... and going at that the other way around isn't exactly a workable path. Furthermore we have a few undefined military leaders and an equally as of yet undefined (mixed genders apply) council of Elders.
The Queen is at the center of a religious cult that is in a way artificial, in that it was purposedly put in place by the founders, but is also rooted in the ancient Egyptian tradition of pharaonic divinity.
The other factions are: Mutants, led by Fangs and the majority of them are women for...reasons... the decayed, who are led by a man, and the raiders, who are divided in several gangs, the one we know of is led by 2 girls.
There are also several Houses of Zeta that are led by women. The one you have already seen in game is the black weapon trader, Mandisa.
Zaton's expectation is that either Shani will leave his house to find her own path and maybe create her own house, or that she will be subservient to him and, in due time, take his place as leader of the House.
Dominance is ultimately determined by personal power, which can be defined by combat prowess, scheming, charisma, personal wealth or any other metric or tool that allows a man or woman to be the winner in the confrontations they decide, or are forced by fate, to enter.
To put it in context, Omar, the MC's brother in law, has a limp handshake but is at the top of his game in the trading world.. he IS a rich and affluent self made man who is the head of his house. If Zaton tried to pull a commercial scheme on him or to get an excessive discount from him, Omar would run rings around him unless Zaton brought the confrontation to his playing field, bullying him with violence. (if he did so, however, eventually Omar would just hire a bunch of thugs big enough to beat even Zaton).
This balance between them, or internal to Omar's House, may remain the same or find a lot of kinky variations in the future, much depending on how those scenes develop, but that is more to entertain the players than to undermine the character, whom we are presented through the eyes and values of Zaton, who definitely sees him as inferior to him, which he is in all the metrics that are of interest to Zaton himself.
There's also, given the highly sexualised nature of the Zetan society, something to be said about D/s relationships from a BDSM standpoint, which again allow for Doms and Dommes indiscriminately...irrespective of their role in their individual houses.
Why do we see very little of that, if anything? Because, as you rightly point out, the game is geared towards a public that is predominantly male and has bought into the power trip fantasy that is presented in the intro, where the main character is the badass leader of his House, there to take names and boink anyone he feels deserves a good boinking.... and a whole bunch of the public gets all frazzled if you introduce them to a hint of another penis on screen, and will start shouting "ntr, ntr, omg ntr, my day is ruined!"
This does not mean that there are no households in Zeta where the balance of power is the opposite. It is even possible that we will visit one or two situations where the MC encounters and interacts with such people. It might even become the subject of a few more sharing, swapping or whatever scenes... that's something for the future...On the whole however, the focus is on House Zaton and its dynamics, and revolves around Zaton being the top dog that he is.
The model of society is fairly recognisable and rings close to our experience or knowledge of a patriarchal society, but that is just the framework, the lore and the content support the roles in that pyramid structure to be held indiscriminately by both sexes.
Male concubines/or sex slaves don't appear on screen because they hold no interest for the main character and the vast majority of the players, not because they don't exist.
In fact, in the scene where you buy Fairy from the merchant (instead of getting her from the decayed brothers) you were initially offered a male slave, sitting in the cage next to Fairy's. That scene was altered and focused on Fairy for simplicity's sake and because, again, male MC, power trip, yada, yada, yada...
Zahra apologises for speaking out of turn because Zaton is the leader of her House.
If a woman other than Zahra had been the leader of the house, and not Zaton, she would have done the same.
Anybody else, from the house or not, male or female, trying to shut her up like that, she would have eaten them alive.
Similarly, when Igor comes to visit, if you have him be serviced by Emilia, he takes his pleasure from her unopposed... if you let Ain blow him, he will try to take a little more than she is willing to give and, despite having been asked to service him by Zaton, little submissive Ain perks up and rebukes Igor and, more importantly, he apologises to her, not to Zaton.
If women were flat out subservient and not meant to have their own agency, this would not happen.
What marks the difference between Emilia's scene and Ain, is the status of the 2 women in society and in the House they find themselves in.. consequently, their freedom of self determination.
There is a possibility that we will see more varied familiar compositions in side characters actually take part in scenes or be at least represented on screen more fully, but that is for the future.
As for the disregard of consent... that is again not so much a product of patriarchy as of the victor of a confrontation having right to the spoils of war and this being a generally accepted result, universally understood by all parties. In that sense, we ride a subtle line as far as consent goes, and I agree it's mostly semantics, but it works, and the lore tries to support it.
you got a couple of things right, and others you got wrong.
the main point you get right:
as for the rest, a couple of points of order.
Zetan society is ruled by a few main figures: the queen, who is always called Merneith and always a woman; the head priestess, also a woman. Priestesses as a whole have one of the highest status in Zetan society and are the ones who vet the male candidates for the "vessels" (who, if they make it through the decades of service, will in turn become priestesses). The male candidates are, in this sense, rather disposable and selected for their good physical and character attributes. it is an honour to "incubate" as you put it, one of the vessels... and going at that the other way around isn't exactly a workable path. Furthermore we have a few undefined military leaders and an equally as of yet undefined (mixed genders apply) council of Elders.
The Queen is at the center of a religious cult that is in a way artificial, in that it was purposedly put in place by the founders, but is also rooted in the ancient Egyptian tradition of pharaonic divinity.
The other factions are: Mutants, led by Fangs and the majority of them are women for...reasons... the decayed, who are led by a man, and the raiders, who are divided in several gangs, the one we know of is led by 2 girls.
There are also several Houses of Zeta that are led by women. The one you have already seen in game is the black weapon trader, Mandisa.
Zaton's expectation is that either Shani will leave his house to find her own path and maybe create her own house, or that she will be subservient to him and, in due time, take his place as leader of the House.
Dominance is ultimately determined by personal power, which can be defined by combat prowess, scheming, charisma, personal wealth or any other metric or tool that allows a man or woman to be the winner in the confrontations they decide, or are forced by fate, to enter.
To put it in context, Omar, the MC's brother in law, has a limp handshake but is at the top of his game in the trading world.. he IS a rich and affluent self made man who is the head of his house. If Zaton tried to pull a commercial scheme on him or to get an excessive discount from him, Omar would run rings around him unless Zaton brought the confrontation to his playing field, bullying him with violence. (if he did so, however, eventually Omar would just hire a bunch of thugs big enough to beat even Zaton).
This balance between them, or internal to Omar's House, may remain the same or find a lot of kinky variations in the future, much depending on how those scenes develop, but that is more to entertain the players than to undermine the character, whom we are presented through the eyes and values of Zaton, who definitely sees him as inferior to him, which he is in all the metrics that are of interest to Zaton himself.
There's also, given the highly sexualised nature of the Zetan society, something to be said about D/s relationships from a BDSM standpoint, which again allow for Doms and Dommes indiscriminately...irrespective of their role in their individual houses.
Why do we see very little of that, if anything? Because, as you rightly point out, the game is geared towards a public that is predominantly male and has bought into the power trip fantasy that is presented in the intro, where the main character is the badass leader of his House, there to take names and boink anyone he feels deserves a good boinking.... and a whole bunch of the public gets all frazzled if you introduce them to a hint of another penis on screen, and will start shouting "ntr, ntr, omg ntr, my day is ruined!"
This does not mean that there are no households in Zeta where the balance of power is the opposite. It is even possible that we will visit one or two situations where the MC encounters and interacts with such people. It might even become the subject of a few more sharing, swapping or whatever scenes... that's something for the future...On the whole however, the focus is on House Zaton and its dynamics, and revolves around Zaton being the top dog that he is.
The model of society is fairly recognisable and rings close to our experience or knowledge of a patriarchal society, but that is just the framework, the lore and the content support the roles in that pyramid structure to be held indiscriminately by both sexes.
Male concubines/or sex slaves don't appear on screen because they hold no interest for the main character and the vast majority of the players, not because they don't exist.
In fact, in the scene where you buy Fairy from the merchant (instead of getting her from the decayed brothers) you were initially offered a male slave, sitting in the cage next to Fairy's. That scene was altered and focused on Fairy for simplicity's sake and because, again, male MC, power trip, yada, yada, yada...
Zahra apologises for speaking out of turn because Zaton is the leader of her House.
If a woman other than Zahra had been the leader of the house, and not Zaton, she would have done the same.
Anybody else, from the house or not, male or female, trying to shut her up like that, she would have eaten them alive.
Similarly, when Igor comes to visit, if you have him be serviced by Emilia, he takes his pleasure from her unopposed... if you let Ain blow him, he will try to take a little more than she is willing to give and, despite having been asked to service him by Zaton, little submissive Ain perks up and rebukes Igor and, more importantly, he apologises to her, not to Zaton.
If women were flat out subservient and not meant to have their own agency, this would not happen.
What marks the difference between Emilia's scene and Ain, is the status of the 2 women in society and in the House they find themselves in.. consequently, their freedom of self determination.
There is a possibility that we will see more varied familiar compositions in side characters actually take part in scenes or be at least represented on screen more fully, but that is for the future.
As for the disregard of consent... that is again not so much a product of patriarchy as of the victor of a confrontation having right to the spoils of war and this being a generally accepted result, universally understood by all parties. In that sense, we ride a subtle line as far as consent goes, and I agree it's mostly semantics, but it works, and the lore tries to support it.
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One of the reasons why i really like this game and i have it in high regard is because it can portrait situations in a smart and grounded fashon. The power dinamic between MC and Omar is a good example.
Omar is an accomplished man. He's a rich and clever merchant who clearly has ample diplomatic skills with which he can bargain well and be on the profitable side of the deal. Yet he's overall a weak unassertive man. It happens. Nothing really wrong with it, we can't all be Rambo, yet, women tend to gravitate toward men with a strong character. Assertive men who espress power even just with their attitude. MC is one of them, Omar is not. So if feels rather natural that the women in Omar's household are attracted by MC more then they are of Omar. While his daughter is an impertinent brat who like to put him on shame, his wife can live the role and maybe even appreciate Omar's qualities, yet long for MC at some level and maybe even cheat at some point.
It's unfair to Omar and i'm sure the game will give you the opportunity to respect their marriage if you so wish, but still, this is the kind of unfairness you find in real life. It feels real. Natural. Believable. Because in the end we all istintively understand what's real and what's not, and when a story depicts characters that behave in a way that is completely out of reality we perceive them as weird and wrong, and when it depicts characters that believe in a realistic way, we perceive it as reasonable and appropriate, even when the plot is what we would call 'immoral'.
Whoever is writing this male power fantasy which is Desert Stalker he/she is a competent writer and he/she's doing a real fine job.
You're probably right about the outrage, if anything resembling ntr in any way would ever make it into the game. I've already seen a certain section of the userbase shit all over the Igor scene and Ain's depiction in general in their own dark corner of this forum.
But then the question is, why even claim that the game or its lore is something that it isn't right and probably never will be, when the plan is to never run the risk of upsetting the predominantly male audience?
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That would be mainly ZetanDS and then Paz and myself... so.. thank you
because I could personally not give less of a fuck about the opinions of those dark corner dwelling individuals who are ready to condemn the entire game for the 1 or 2 scenes that rub them the wrong way and feel the need to be super vocal about it. it is their prerogative to burn the game from their PCs, and mine to ignore them.
also, lorecrafting and worldbuilding are a bit of a passion of mine.. I like the notion of a world that is more open than what we actually see, and where there isn't just one size fits all. Variety is a thing I appreciate in most games that offer it, so it stands to reason that I would try and plant more seeds than will eventually be grown into full plants.
Who knows, maybe 2 or 3 years from now, Z will want to introduce a theme or a plotline where Zaton and Zahra enter in a swinging relationship with another couple.. plenty of people would shout NTR right there, much like they did when Igor's visit came around.. Maybe Zaton will disappear for a while and Zahra will find herself a lover, only to dump him when Zaton comes back from the dead... who knows... Maybe, in time, Ain will indeed find herself a husband and maybe we will see her have sex with him... and maybe Zaton will get in on the action or decide that she is happier that way and shut the door leaving them to their own devices...
Not saying any of this might or will happen.. frankly, I doubt it, for a number of reasons..
Even should we explore Omar's household to the fullest, we might decide to do so by also putting in a scene or two where Omar isn't an absolute wimp... people will be screaming from the rafters in that case also, even if ultimately it most likely won't even come close to anything I would call NTR.
Having a lore that is open to any kind of configuration leaves the option to explore other plotlines and maybe kinks.
Who knows... maybe when this game is done and dusted, Z will want to make a second game focused on Shani, or reprise the game but from the perspective of a different character... anything is possible.
Setting in stone a lore that limits these options or the possibilities for a future female character seems counterproductive, plus if I can have a voice in the worldbuilding, I like the notion of a more egalitarian utopic/apocalyptic future (however realistic or unrealistic that may be for some)..
In the end, whatever Z does decide to put in the game, the choices will always be made by the player, which wraps the story, and the reality of the world in game, around those choices and around how the world is seen from the perspective of the player/main character (hence the very macho-centric perspective of Omar...)
Specifically, having a lore that does give women positions of prominence and an actual (in world) chance of doing their thing, makes things less boring for me... in the high testosterone world of some of the players, they are probably lamenting that we haven't put the queen over the knee on day 1. I like that there is a power struggle there, both internal to the queen and between her and Zaton.
likewise, for some other players, the possibility of eventually flipping the script on the powerful women is probably going to be extra rewarding.
a case to that effect is Asha, who I have come to think of as a knock off Harley Quinn, for how crazy violent she is... I do believe that the violence and crazyness and her utter humiliation are what make her a fan favourite for some.
so yeah.. it's basically tossing in a bunch of elements, see what sticks and what works, and leaving many of the doors open.
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the possibility of a female centered game has been floated...but it's a very remote thing that we are not going to devote anything more than a passing thought to, at least until this game is complete... and we aren't even close to that, so...After this game create a woman-led household game in this world.
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Gotta remember to get some popcorn before I come to this thread if this ever happens
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I think Cynicaladm explained it all quite well, but I will add that "might makes right" (not male means right), is built into the society of the game world. You can even read about in the common room household library. Women are not excluded from power, we just happen to be viewing a story from a male lead perspective who happens to be in a position of power both within his household and within society. And thank goodness for that. It would be rather unsatisfying to play the role of a male/female slave or a subservient male in a female led household. Some might like that, but I'm quite happy with the focus of the game.
Yes, that is exactly what I mean. I'll assume you're agreeing with me because otherwise I'm not sure what your point here is. The main character is the one I care about because he is the one I'm playing as. Like I said above, I'm pleased he is a strong individual and not like Omar. Not everyone is a stalker and not everyone is powerful. I'm glad our MC is written the way that he is. I don't know about you, but I don't play AVNs to be a mensch. In every game I play I'm as much of a scoundrel as the devs will allow.
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It actually has 7, but who's counting, right?
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Would you like us to also mention how much longer our pubes grow in between updates?
Wouldn't want you to feel insufficiently informed..
- Apr 7, 2020
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It should be an average of 1cm per month, but pubic hair doesn't have a continous growth, so it barely applies.
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Also playing a game before commenting on the apparent lack of content seems like a pretty basic thing to do, but you dropped the ball on that.
You made a snarky passive-aggressive comment about the apparent lack of something without even playing it, then were snarky still when pointed out you're in the wrong, but you feel that sarcasm was uncalled for?
Anyway, 7 sex animations and ~700 renders, here's your numbers. Enjoy them if you feel like playing it.