Ren'Py Desert Stalker [v0.17.1.2 Steam] [Zetan]

[DogBeersHadOne]

Come on, don't say that. Rododendron3322, Omar's #1 fan, is gonna cry over your comment and facepalm yours.

He's welcome to do so; I've made my position exceptionally clear both here and on the Discord server. If devs or higher patrons want to correct me on my assessment of Omar's future within the game, they are also welcome to do so.

I became a patron of this game because it ticked the boxes of knocking up fit brunette girls. I remain a patron of this game because its narrative is the gold standard for porn games and I believe it can credibly compete with some mainstream games. I want that narrative's integrity to continue.

 

[sanchotx]

Am I the only one who doesn't want Omar as a wifeswapping candidate solely because it makes no sense for him within the existing narrative? The devs have carved out an exception for Igor specifically because he's been Zaton's friend and ally for two, nearly three decades; meanwhile Zaton openly expresses his contempt for Omar to his face, even arguably breaking hospitality law by taking Nadia in Omar's own house. Omar's actions lend credence to Zaton's contempt.

Maybe I'm just unimaginative, but I don't see a realistic path for an Omar redemption going forward.

With that said



is out. Can't humiliate a dead man and a dead man adds nothing to the plot.

this is why it has to be take advantage of him for Zetan's benefit. He clearly likes looking at Zahra and would never do shit with her. he's scared of Zetan but imagine a scenario where Zetan needs something from Omar and he doesn't want to give it up. Zahra would be perfect to use as a way to tempt him and use him. that's the only way it works.

 

[Beduin123]

this is why it has to be take advantage of him for Zetan's benefit. He clearly likes looking at Zahra and would never do shit with her. he's scared of Zetan but imagine a scenario where Zetan needs something from Omar and he doesn't want to give it up. Zahra would be perfect to use as a way to tempt him and use him. that's the only way it works.

I wonder what Zaton would need from Omar that could be achieved only by whoring the woman of his life.

 

[Bloker997]

I wonder what Zaton would need from Omar that could be achieved only by whoring the woman of his life.

yea lol, what can Omar provide, that Merneith can't?

 

[Kellermann]

this is why it has to be take advantage of him for Zetan's benefit. He clearly likes looking at Zahra and would never do shit with her. he's scared of Zetan but imagine a scenario where Zetan needs something from Omar and he doesn't want to give it up. Zahra would be perfect to use as a way to tempt him and use him. that's the only way it works.

Z takes what he wants and doesn't need Omar's permission. Anything that weak man has can be taken away by force or intimidation.
I think people are wanting to make this game out to be something it is not. The lore, character traits, and power dynamics have been clearly established since the beginning. A wild departure from thaat at this point in the game would be an odd development choice.

 

[Rododendron3322]

Z takes what he wants and doesn't need Omar's permission. Anything that weak man has can be taken away by force or intimidation.
I think people are wanting to make this game out to be something it is not. The lore, character traits, and power dynamics have been clearly established since the beginning. A wild departure from thaat at this point in the game would be an odd development choice.

That's why there were invented optional choices

 

[Kellermann]

That's why there were invented optional choices

And you're mistaking optional sharing with cuckholding. I have never seen such a fixation on a side male character in a game with no gay tag. Maybe it is some kind of self insert, I'm not really sure, but it is bizarre that out of all the hot female LIs and interesting supporting characters, this bloke is the one who gets passionate fanboys.

 

[Rododendron3322]

And you're mistaking optional sharing with cuckholding. I have never seen such a fixation on a side male character in a game with no gay tag. Maybe it is some kind of self insert, I'm not really sure, but it is bizarre that out of all the hot female LIs and interesting supporting characters, this bloke is the one who gets passionate fanboys.

It's not about him, it's about two sisters sharing their husbands. Fuck, give Zarah 2nd sister with cool husband and it also will be ok. I don't give a shit about Omar, just about thoughts about sisters swapping their husbands, and if Omar is cuckolded, or dead, there will be no swapping. Logical conclusion. In fact, I don't even care too much about MC.

 

[Kellermann]

It's not about him, it's about two sisters sharing their husbands. Fuck, give Zarah 2nd sister with cool husband and it also will be ok. I don't give a shit about Omar, just about thoughts about sisters swapping their husbands, and if Omar is cuckolded, or dead, there will be no swapping. Logical conclusion. In fact, I don't even care too much about MC.

The game has established two scenarios in the lore for this type of behaviour: honoured guest and might makes right.

In the first, a high-ranking, well respected acquaintance can be afforded certain household pleasures. With might makes right, it is basically..to the victor go the spoils. Neither one of these two scenarios is in line with the originally proposed Omar storyline. Essentially, the MC would have to give up his high status if he were to fall to such a basic blackmail plot. If he loses the ability to dictate when and how his villa/harem acts, then he is no longer at the top.
Omar is Rabiah's husband, so if you want the husbands to swap wives then he is rather important in your scenario. I don't think we have been introduced to any other married sisters in game so if that is your kink, you have limited options.

 

[DogBeersHadOne]

I don't give a shit about Omar

You want me to bring up screenshots of your Discord comments? Because they show that you most certainly do give a shit about him. To an almost unhealthy degree, in fact.

 

[Rododendron3322]

You want me to bring up screenshots of your Discord comments? Because they show that you most certainly do give a shit about him. To an almost unhealthy degree, in fact.

I know what I have texted there, when i was in much worst mental state than now. Yes, I still think that he can be changed, and if he would than this will help be more authentic, yes I still don't like to cuckold him, but i don't like cuckolding over all. I don't give a shit about HIM, but eliminating him or blocking him automatically blocking my fantasy about sisters and their husbands.

 

[Rododendron3322]

The game has established two scenarios in the lore for this type of behaviour: honoured guest and might makes right.

In the first, a high-ranking, well respected acquaintance can be afforded certain household pleasures. With might makes right, it is basically..to the victor go the spoils. Neither one of these two scenarios is in line with the originally proposed Omar storyline. Essentially, the MC would have to give up his high status if he were to fall to such a basic blackmail plot. If he loses the ability to dictate when and how his villa/harem acts, then he is no longer at the top.
Omar is Rabiah's husband, so if you want the husbands to swap wives then he is rather important in your scenario. I don't think we have been introduced to any other married sisters in game so if that is your kink, you have limited options.

THAT IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM A FEW DAYS. Thanks that finally someone understood.

 

[DogBeersHadOne]

And for the fiftieth time, you're asking for a payoff or a reward that does not make sense within the framework of the game, barring a change in characterization that is so drastic it fundamentally changes the nature of Omar's character.

Let me break it down for you:
Zaton is openly contemptuous of Omar. He has no respect for him. Omar does not stand up for himself. He is berated by his wife in front of Zaton. Zaton flagrantly violated the code of hospitality by having sex with Nadia with neither the permission of Omar or Rabiah.

You want Zaton to respect Omar enough to share his wife? Omar must do something to not only amend for his cultural faults within Zetan society; he must do something to command Zaton's respect. And as Kellermann said, within the framework of the story, there is almost no path within the cultural tenets of Zetan society that would allow such a change to take place.

 

[Rododendron3322]

And for the fiftieth time, you're asking for a payoff or a reward that does not make sense within the framework of the game, barring a change in characterization that is so drastic it fundamentally changes the nature of Omar's character.

Let me break it down for you:
Zaton is openly contemptuous of Omar. He has no respect for him. Omar does not stand up for himself. He is berated by his wife in front of Zaton. Zaton flagrantly violated the code of hospitality by having sex with Nadia with neither the permission of Omar or Rabiah.

You want Zaton to respect Omar enough to share his wife? Omar must do something to not only amend for his cultural faults within Zetan society; he must do something to command Zaton's respect. And as Kellermann said, within the framework of the story, there is almost no path within the cultural tenets of Zetan society that would allow such a change to take place.

And I will tell you for the fiftieth time, I don't care about framework and how much you care about it. I care about my kink. You want him quick drastic change of heart? Ok. Throw Omar to some pit where the only option is to either die or survive, he could bring with himself trophy than, pissed off as hell covered in blood. Critical situation like this can change everyone pretty quickly, know from experience. Normally I avoid conflict as much as I can, coz I know what is inside of me, and I was really close to kill someone in a fight, thrice. So yeah, some people have beast inside them that only is waiting to escape. But you will not care, coz you are focused on your vision.

 

[Wolfeszorn]

in my eyes a redemption arc only makes sense for one person. The MC. Omar is a side character at best. It just doesn´t make sense to even consider giving him a redemption arc. I´m sad to say, but in this scenario you might want to switch games, since that kink of yours is, sadly for you, never going to happen.

 

[DogBeersHadOne]

And I will tell you for the fiftieth time, I don't care about framework and how much you care about it. I care about my kink.

Well that's just fine and dandy, sweetheart; you could have led with that instead of contorting yourself trying to justify it through the story and lore. Which you apparently never even read, judging by previous comments, but hey, more power to you.

But here's the thing. Both you and I have probably played some games, watched shows, that we should have liked. Maybe it was the tags, maybe it was the game description, I don't know. But for one reason or another they fell short. I can't speak for you, but I can speak for me: they fell short because characters were out of character. They did things that didn't make sense. There wasn't any explanation why. Might be worth it for a cheap fap but if I'm going to be coming back to a game, there's got to be some more depth than Random Fuckfest 5000.

But you will not care, coz you are focused on your vision.

Ain't my vision. It's the devs' vision.

 

[Rododendron3322]

Well that's just fine and dandy, sweetheart; you could have led with that instead of contorting yourself trying to justify it through the story and lore. Which you apparently never even read, judging by previous comments, but hey, more power to you.

But here's the thing. Both you and I have probably played some games, watched shows, that we should have liked. Maybe it was the tags, maybe it was the game description, I don't know. But for one reason or another they fell short. I can't speak for you, but I can speak for me: they fell short because characters were out of character. They did things that didn't make sense. There wasn't any explanation why. Might be worth it for a cheap fap but if I'm going to be coming back to a game, there's got to be some more depth than Random Fuckfest 5000.



Ain't my vision. It's the devs' vision.

I even admitted here that I skipped 99% of reading leaving it for later when game will be bigger or completed.
I mostly am pissed at characters not because they do something out of character, but because they do something stupid, or are arrogant dicks. Mostly I play in avn not for a deep story, I leave that for other games, I play for kinks, for scenes, even sometimes only for models that look good. But ok, I will agree and be honest that having good story helping here a lot, but it's not a total must for me.
That's why I don't force it on dev and will accept their ideas, even if I will not like it.

 

[Rododendron3322]

in my eyes a redemption arc only makes sense for one person. The MC. Omar is a side character at best. It just doesn´t make sense to even consider giving him a redemption arc. I´m sad to say, but in this scenario you might want to switch games, since that kink of yours is, sadly for you, never going to happen.

Never say never There is still slight hope for that, even if it's below 0 it still is. I will wait and see what happens. Maybe in a mean time I will change, who knows.

 

[Beduin123]

That's why there were invented optional choices

And I'm sick and tired of these "optional choises" in straight games offering me to suck a dick or take it up my arse. Tales from the Unending Void is one of the examples.

 

[sanchotx]

I wonder what Zaton would need from Omar that could be achieved only by whoring the woman of his life.

yea lol, what can Omar provide, that Merneith can't?

Z takes what he wants and doesn't need Omar's permission. Anything that weak man has can be taken away by force or intimidation.
I think people are wanting to make this game out to be something it is not. The lore, character traits, and power dynamics have been clearly established since the beginning. A wild departure from thaat at this point in the game would be an odd development choice.

who knows? what if it is information that he is reluctant to share for fear of his life. there are other forces out there. Zetan literally whores out his daughter. he uses people for his benefit. if that's what it took, he wouldn't shy away from it.