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kelelih

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Further to the bronze vs iron debate:

- Iron is way cheaper than bronze. This is because iron can be made from a single resource (iron ore) rather than bronze which needs to be made from copper and tin, which are rarely available in the same location and thus at least one of the components had to be traded over considerable distances. As a result, equipping an army with bronze weapons was generally prohibitively expensive but equipping them with iron weapons was somewhat feasible in many locations.

Bronze may have looked more posh but we see in the early iron age that bronze sword models were, in fact, reproduced in iron, even though the designs weren't really suitable for that (leaf-shaped blades, lots of ridges etc.). So it seems even the elites did actually adopt iron once it became available. The reasons are obviously unknown to us.
Further further to the bronze vs. iron debate:

I don't have any insight in toughness or brittleness, but I have studied the economics of Bronze/Iron Age, and you are right; Iron was MUCH easier and cheaper to produce, as long as you had access to the ore, and even if you hadn't it was, again, cheap to buy. The tin needed to make bronze was extracted from less than a dozen places (at least in Bronze Age Europe and the Middle East) and had to be imported, often over VERY long distances. It was incredible expensive, meaning that bronze weaponry - not to mention armour - was usually reserved for the elite only. Losing access to tin trade could potentially topple entire nations (much like oil today).

By comparison, entire armies could relatively easily be equipped with comparably cheap iron weapons and armour which as far as I understand was of just as good (or better depending on who you ask) quality than their bronze counterparts. It made sense to switch to iron economically and politically. There is no sense in keeping a monopoly on an expensive military product if your enemies can get a cheaper version of similar quality and use it against you.

Either way, since Desert Stalker is set in a post-apocalyptic setting it doesn't really matter. The steel from 21st century Egyptian buildings alone would be enough to remake into an arsenal. It would be fun though if they had to import other vital goods from abroad, like Bronze Age tin. Maybe we get to see Igor provide such services in the future?
 

Xythurr

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Further further to the bronze vs. iron debate:

I don't have any insight in toughness or brittleness, but I have studied the economics of Bronze/Iron Age, and you are right; Iron was MUCH easier and cheaper to produce, as long as you had access to the ore, and even if you hadn't it was, again, cheap to buy. The tin needed to make bronze was extracted from less than a dozen places (at least in Bronze Age Europe and the Middle East) and had to be imported, often over VERY long distances. It was incredible expensive, meaning that bronze weaponry - not to mention armour - was usually reserved for the elite only. Losing access to tin trade could potentially topple entire nations (much like oil today).

By comparison, entire armies could relatively easily be equipped with comparably cheap iron weapons and armour which as far as I understand was of just as good (or better depending on who you ask) quality than their bronze counterparts. It made sense to switch to iron economically and politically. There is no sense in keeping a monopoly on an expensive military product if your enemies can get a cheaper version of similar quality and use it against you.

Either way, since Desert Stalker is set in a post-apocalyptic setting it doesn't really matter. The steel from 21st century Egyptian buildings alone would be enough to remake into an arsenal. It would be fun though if they had to import other vital goods from abroad, like Bronze Age tin. Maybe we get to see Igor provide such services in the future?
This debate is all well and good but I dare say most of us aren't here for retro-futuristic post-apocalyptic metallurgy.
We're here for post-apocalyptic poon and to found a dynasty who's family tree is instead a circle.
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wildride69

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This debate is all well and good but I dare say most of us aren't here for retro-futuristic post-apocalyptic metallurgy.
We're here for post-apocalyptic poon and to found a dynasty who's family tree is instead a circle.
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Aww man I was just about to break out my Tolkien knowledge In Tolkien's Middle-earth, mithril is extremely rare by the end of the Third Age, as it was now found only in Khazad-dûm. Once the Balrog destroyed Khazad-dûm, the kingdom of the Dwarves in Moria, the only source of new mithril ore was cut off. Also the regular gold vs enchanted gold found in the One True Ring but if you would rather discuss poon than the glory of precious metals...:sneaky: :ROFLMAO:
 

PaxHadrian17

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Aww man I was just about to break out my Tolkien knowledge In Tolkien's Middle-earth, mithril is extremely rare by the end of the Third Age, as it was now found only in Khazad-dûm. Once the Balrog destroyed Khazad-dûm, the kingdom of the Dwarves in Moria, the only source of new mithril ore was cut off. Also the regular gold vs enchanted gold found in the One True Ring but if you would rather discuss poon than the glory of precious metals...:sneaky: :ROFLMAO:
I was actually hoping that we could discuss White Gold and the hope for a miniseries based on Thomas Covenant, beginning with Lord Foul's Bane. ;)

Perhaps a name change to Ur-Lord and Unbeliever is appropriate here...

Cheers!! :coffee:
 

tnmleto2

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Hmm. Will see in a bit. I assume it’s the Compression? Please spoiler the pictures.

Still no problem with the compression or the patch or the original file. Did you use the Crash fix? When did you download?


Did you use the Crash fix? When did you download? Also put pictures into a spoiler please.
I didn't download the compression version, the normal one
I did yesterday when i discovered the subject
I don't remember if there was the crash_fix already when I did

The crash fix seems to have resolved the problem, thank you

sorry for the images not in spoiler
 
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slightchance

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I think we all can agree that sand blasts everything away in its path. The pharaohs knew this so they didn't even bother to build the Eiffel tower. Look how long the Stone Age or the pyramids lasted. Eons compared to the Bronze or Iron Age.

The Desert Stalker is on the right path building his own personal pyramid: he resides at the top while his many wives build the wider base, with an Omar or Igor occasionally wandering through its narrow passages.
 

Nulldev

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This debate is all well and good but I dare say most of us aren't here for retro-futuristic post-apocalyptic metallurgy.
We're here for post-apocalyptic poon and to found a dynasty who's family tree is instead a circle.
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Don't forget when Mc will be old and tired, he will tie his dick to a metal rod to gain some hardness.
 
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wildride69

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These are some advanced tactics :KEK:

Wonder if Zeta has their own form of Viagra being sold in the stores? :HideThePain:

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I don't think they had Viagra. I think they had "The Spice" because if DUNE has taught us anything is the fact that the Spice is Life. Now I'm not 100% sure if its the sandy worlds form of Viagra but my guess is it is. How else can our MC bang all these gorgeous women repeatedly without fail I ask you? We won't know for sure until they release Part 2 already or one of you reads the book and lets us know. :LOL:

The Spice is Life my friends The Spice is life, may Zaton never run out!:)
 

Mfka5

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Another good theory is: What if Zaton got tired of all those 20+ girlfriends constantly on his dick with no real competition and 0% fail risk.
Man just cant fail and so he decided to take things in his own hands. He brought Omar to mutants lab and they swapped their appearances. Now Omar is having 20+ girlfriends while Zaton can finally take a break now.
 

harem.king

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This debate is all well and good but I dare say most of us aren't here for retro-futuristic post-apocalyptic metallurgy.
Ackshually, considering how many people are involved so far. you seem to be in the minority.
Most of us ARE here for a retro-futuristic post-apocalyptic metallurgy, especially as it pertains to this game's lore.
I don't think they had Viagra. I think they had "The Spice" because if DUNE has taught us anything is the fact that the Spice is Life. Now I'm not 100% sure if its the sandy worlds form of Viagra but my guess is it is.
This game is not set on some alien world, it is earth, egypt specifically.
 
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Penumbral Evanescence

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pertains to this game's lore
Speaking of which, I actually found it quite intriguing to comb through the MC's libraries and personal archives in his home base. It made for a real investigatory feel (i.e., exploring long lost ruins, uncovering ancient artifacts, etc) because it actually makes one feel immersed in the environment and world that the game is set in. Really good world-building makes for some quite tantalizing plot/narrative experiences from a gameplay point of view.
 

Penumbral Evanescence

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No, you're right, It didn't show up, usually when it shows it is the final version, when all Bugs have been fixed and all missing anims and images as well
Yeah, I don't see it either. Maybe it would just take a day or two more before the page shows the new update. I.e., like final bug tests and quality checks and whatnot. Alternatively, if you all it may also reflect the update there, but worth checking to see if it does or not....
 

Bob69

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Is it just me, or did this not show up in the Latest Updates page?
No, you're right, It didn't show up, usually when it shows it is the final version, when all Bugs have been fixed and all missing anims and images as well
Yeah, I don't see it either. Maybe it would just take a day or two more before the page shows the new update. I.e., like final bug tests and quality checks and whatnot. Alternatively, if you all it may also reflect the update there, but worth checking to see if it does or not....
Nope it won't show up later. As there was no content added from Beta -> c. So this version (0.15) only gets promoted once. If there was enough new content added in the later versions after the Beta, I would have promoted it.

I also from the changelog don't think it was promoted after the Beta v0.14, or at least it shouldn't have. Checked the discord #releases channel. Yep was only once promoted for 13 or 14.
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Yngling

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The steel from 21st century Egyptian buildings alone would be enough to remake into an arsenal.
Mild construction steel makes for rather poor weapons. Functional but worse than bronze.

Are you saying Omar and Igor have harder cocks and MC is inferior due to them?
Don't know about that but Omar as infinitely softer eyes than the MC :love:
 
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