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Xythurr

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OK so plowed through this game all in like 5 or so days (really good imo) to someones earlier comment about the game not going into detail about the actual relationship between the kids and the MC and his wife they give a vague description early in the game and I am pretty sure they say exactly how later. I would rehash but just don't want to mess with the spoilers but yeah not blood related like the game says early on.

Really liking this game and I am curious roughly how long of a turn around is it between updates. It seems this last one just dropped so I am assuming I got a while to wait just curious if it's the norm (or what I have sort of seen to be the norm) of around 6 months?

Lastly I have two issues I ran into. The first is one I have read a few times already the Lehira quest I have waited many many days nothing. I seen someone post a file but it just pulls up a webpage with a bunch of text so not sure if I am suppose to copy and paste it in a word document then put it in said location or not.

Second I have an exclamation mark like there is a quest in zahara's room but no matter what I do it only shows massage or leave. I feel like I tried every combination of what I could do in the place to try and make it pop but never does.

I apologize if these are simple fixes and I am just to dumb to do search right but any help would be appreciated.

I hope everyone has a great week :)

Oh I think I started the game on 16a but downloaded 16b when it got released if that is information you needed.
The dialogue and back story changes if you make them daughters instead of step. It's a nice Patreon censorship dodge and the devs are brilliant for making the story work either way.
The intent is clear however as the daughters bear clear physical resemblance to Zahra the story and culture makes a bit more sense in the uncensored version so I would say the actual canon is pretty clear.
 

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"I like a little flutter now and then. Who doesn't like to take chances?"

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Yes, she should be "bonded" hard and served a nice drink, shaken and stirred.
 
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Spawnlod

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How so?
That Igor sharing scene felt like double the playtime of the game, it felt like eternity, finally something worthwhile, maybe you should share more you are missing out content
Well Considering we had all the desert exploration etc then the hints of taking Ani to the market. The Igor scene was great, but I am invested in all the other stories as well lol. Plus the queen seemed like it was just getting started then ... cliffhanger lol
 
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I really like that you can choose a diplomatic way almost in every situation, even if the game doesn't offer any other option often. Honestly, it's almost always a narrow line, but you can't expect an indie VN to be a full-fledged RPG.

My favorites are raider sisters and their settlement quest. I haven't reached the end of the game yet, but I have a feeling that MC will be a key to bond (or not) major factions against some common threat. And it seems that a raider clan is going to be one of those factions, I like it. Now that they have a steady source of income. That beats scavenging (c).

Devs managed to add layers to most characters. The Queen is an interesting person too, and my favorite after the sisters. She's cunning, brutal, determined, and cautious. It's convicible that she really is a leader and she learning constantly. Rather than she's some spoiled brat who believes in her exceptioness and holding onto her post only thanks to the armed forces. There is a character development. Her relations with MC is what I'd like to see more.

Animations, scenes, music and sound are good too. This is so far the most complex and well-designed adult VN I've ever seen. And I thought if this 'subgenre' as a flood of boring text between a few sex scenes. Devs managed to make it interesting.
 

Juan96

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As soon as I introduce Fairy to the family the game goes back to the menu, I haven't even finished the game yet, there's still the mutant arc, the looters arc, the queen arc and this new arc, what the fuck.
 

SonsOfLiberty

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how boring and pissing to have to wait months to have a long awaited update to be refined with another 3 releases...this is becoming a joke ,really
Huh? BETA is always full of bugs, you must be new or something...and it's $40, it is meant for BETA TESTERS, not the public.

"A" is for Patreon's then "B" is public..
 

Yngling

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I dont get it why is beta 40$

Is it the privilege of playing it early with so many bugs or its expensive so that it doesnt get leaked way earlier without even being finished product first

It almost costs the full price of triple A games to play buggy game
You don't have to buy it.
You can more or less support the game for any amount you like.
Or you can wait until it's pirated or released for free.
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Ummmh

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1) I don't really get the concept of relations in their family. So those two girls are step-daughters to MC and to his wife? I think in some of the dialogs the wife mentioned that. So those girls are adopted or something. They might be the Children of Zeta, born by some aspiring priestess. And then adopted. Am I right? I know there is a note in the library but it's kind of hard to get through.
So in that case they are not relatives by blood, and their relations aren't like those we all used to, but rather like those described in Robert Heinlein's 'Moon's a harsh mistress' or in the Expanse series (Holden's family, Drummer's warband).
Would be nice if the developer provided a clear definition to their relations. It's disturbing to think of an incest. Also the younger sister looks like 'mother', and the older one looks like 'father', it's confusing too. I doubt now that even 'sisters' are relatives by blood.


2) There seem to be some other misconception. What of their age? MC mentioned multiple times that he got married 30 years ago or so. That makes him at least 45 yo, and his wife too. They look too young. I understand there might be some rejuvenate techniques, but still. Also when we see that old master who will become lord of Decayed, the MC already has a beard, and he isn't married yet.

3) There are clearly a mistake with dates. In the 'Trainee' note we see the same date as in the 'The Long Walk'. It is clear that 'Trainee' should have at least Y437, like in the 'Reflections'.

These things are important since the game has such profound take in history. Any porn without history is boring.

As others noted, you get an option to set the relationship because they're not allowed to say they're direct children due to censorship in other sites. You thus end up having to go through this really annoying section where you set the specific relationship manually even though it's obvious they're supposed to be your direct daughters. Both look like Zahra, and Shani's lighter skin and blue eyes hearken to the MC.

Regarding ages..

I believe the marriage is actually only 20 years, as at one point the main character says he's held Zahra's hand for 20 years. The relationship might have started quite a bit before the marriage, but I get the impression it was a relatively quick courtship. Still haven't actually seen the full reason why he left Rabiah, but he certainly got his relationship with Zahra started out at full speed, especially if he just grabbed her head and used her mouth and throat after she coyly signaled she wanted him.

BTW, It's likely Zahra had full intentions towards him pretty early on, given how she went about quietly pursuing him after having to wait so long for her opening, especially as that first oral with her suggests she had been practicing behind the scenes in prep for him. This is one of the reasons why I expect the courtship didn't take that long. Disentangling from the Rabiah relationship and dealing with possible blowback from the sisyers' family might have been major factors, but Zahra clearly wanted to go there, already, and it's likely the MC didn't deliberate, either.

Assuming Zahra was 18 when she imply-offered to "finish" the MC when Rebiah did not, and assuming it was a two-year courtship, that would put her at about 40. I'm going to guess the MC had at least 5 years on her, so am assuming he's abt 45. That's assuming minimal age of 18 for adulthood however... See the next point, below.

Regarding the artwork and their ages..

I also have noted that the characters look younger than one would assume, given the necessary ages; this is especially true of the girls who are noted as being only recently of adult age, such as younger Zahra (in the flashbacks/stories told to Nadia) and Ain. Notice that when the characters say someone is "of adult age", that's not a specific, spoken number.

Now, I'm not saying anything was taken into account here in the game.... But the Pre-industrial/traditional standards of many societies around the world peg the age of adulthood about 5 years younger than nowadays, and the artwork strongly suggests that standard, tho it's always possible to write that off for stylistic reasons. For a certainty, officially every adult is 18 or higher, in this game.
 
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After playing up to the latest version, i am a bit ambivalent with Kateryna now due to her portrayal as breeder or losing control once in heat.

I wish there are more options to mold her , to the retain the sort of sweetness first we are introduced to her. hmmm.

Overall, it is a very good update. Better than 14 and 15 though the main quest can used to have more works on it.
 
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Ummmh

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After playing up to the latest version, i am a bit ambivalent with Kateryna now due to her portrayal as breeder or losing control once in heat.

I wish there are more options to mold her , to the retain the sort of sweetness first we are introduced to her. hmmm.

Overall, it is a very good update. Better than 14 and 15 though the main quest can used to have more works on it.
The way she's written it's strongly implied a couple of times (still before she becomes MC's concubine), that she's specifically focused on having kids. This is indeed, however, after our initial impression of her just being fixedly smitten by the MC, so it is a bit jarring tho not completely unbelievable.

The only thing I had issue with on that mindset for her, is she DEFINITELY would have had TONS of kids if she'd JUST STAYED IN HER VILLAGE, but my assumption is she specofically didn't like the gangbang aspect up there. This actually tracks pretty well when she gets used by the MC w/one of girls helping out, in the living/harem room: she seems (unless I misread her response) to have a problem with the multiple partner aspect of it, although she still obeys.
 

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Regarding ages..
If you read the spoiler to the .03 changelog you'll see that Ain got aged up, if you do some digging you can even find a .02 or .01 pic of her during her intro if you wanna compare, so it's not unsurprising that there may be some incongruencies specifically with things established early on development, with that said I personally think her updated look is an improvement, particularly her face and I think some recent plot threads work better with the rework instead of the original particularly Zahra being concerned about Ain finding her place in the world and that talk with Ain in Zeta on the wall of the city courtyard.


The only thing I had issue with on that mindset for her, is she DEFINITELY would have had TONS of kids if she'd JUST STAYED IN HER VILLAGE, but my assumption is she specofically didn't like the gangbang aspect up there. This actually tracks pretty well when she gets used by the MC w/one of girls helping out, in the living/harem room: she seems (unless I misread her response) to have a problem with the multiple partner aspect of it, although she still obeys.
Maybe it's just me, but if you pay attention to their expressions, it seems to me that both Igor, and Kat are both uncomfortable with most of the sharing scenes, particularly the one where you share Kat with Igor, so much so, I almost rolled it back out of reflex even though it wasn't on my main save. Maybe they have a complex about sharing and gangbangs due to their rejection of their own culture's sexual practices?
 
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The way she's written it's strongly implied a couple of times (still before she becomes MC's concubine), that she's specifically focused on having kids. This is indeed, however, after our initial impression of her just being fixedly smitten by the MC, so it is a bit jarring tho not completely unbelievable.

The only thing I had issue with on that mindset for her, is she DEFINITELY would have had TONS of kids if she'd JUST STAYED IN HER VILLAGE, but my assumption is she specofically didn't like the gangbang aspect up there. This actually tracks pretty well when she gets used by the MC w/one of girls helping out, in the living/harem room: she seems (unless I misread her response) to have a problem with the multiple partner aspect of it, although she still obeys.
Thats why i feel weird that suddenly there is a sharing path between Kateryna and Igor. If it goes this route, it really looks like GB is on the card (cause she is really a good written minx on bed). She is so obedient to Zaton despite her belief on sharing.

Saying that Zahra knows she is pregnant now, it doesnt make a different, is a bit thin in the writing. But well, since sharing is optional, it is not really a big turn off.
 

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If you read the spoiler to the .03 changelog you'll see that Ain got aged up, if you do some digging you can even find a .02 or .01 pic of her during her intro if you wanna compare, so it's not unsurprising that there may be some incongruencies specifically with things established early on development, with that said I personally think her updated look is an improvement, particularly her face and I think some recent plot threads work better with the rework instead of the original particularly Zahra being concerned about Ain finding her place in the world and that talk with Ain in Zeta on the wall of the city courtyard.




Maybe it's just me, but if you pay attention to their expressions, it seems to me that both Igor, and Kat are both uncomfortable with most of the sharing scenes, particularly the one where you share Kat with Igor, so much so, I almost rolled it back out of reflex even though it wasn't on my main save. Maybe they have a complex about sharing and gangbangs due to their rejection of their own culture's sexual practices?
I'm going to have to go back over those scenes and see about Igor and Kateryna, as I'm vague on that and wondering if I actually missed that particular scene.

I do recall multiple conversations w/Ain and Zahra asking what she wants to do with her life: and there was a multiple choice option and another about either starting some other household or taking over her own (the latter caveated as Z knows full well A is very fixed on her father).

I think I briefly started playing in version 14, then restarted in earnest in 16 beta, so I'll have to go back and look. I did see the intro got reworked a bit. I also noticed that between 16 beta and 16 Alpha and Bravo they reworked some of the dialogue in the Lirah quest. I kind of liked some of the beta dialogue better, bur what they have now works. In fact the only issue I've seen is that the Lirah quest replays from all versions doesn't actually have the full dialogue but omits the fact that she's probably carrying your child when you see her again after the humiliation and it's her and Talia at the gate.

Ain is hot. Unquestionably. Especially when she does that "boo" scene when you go to visit her in her room, and the outcome of her being awake while you have some fun with her. Actually, yeah, just about everything with Ain is pretty hot.

That said Shani is pretty fucking smoking, too, and Zahra (especially in certain scenes) is the bomb, as well. Just a well put together family.

Shani end Zahra also have more attractive personalities, as well,imo, as Ain can get a little too full of herself. To be fair to Ain abt that, though, she's being pushed to be Zahra's replacement brood mare: specifically trained to pleasure her father and any guests, and pop out daddy's kids. There is so much pressure to do these things specifically that she doesn't even know what she means to her father outside of his being his willing, obedient, and available fucktoy... Got to say: that's got to do some SERIOUS psychological damage, and it definitely points to the fact that there are reasons that most societies don't do this sort of thing.

That said, Ain is still super fuckin' hot.
 
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Maybe it's just me, but if you pay attention to their expressions, it seems to me that both Igor, and Kat are both uncomfortable with most of the sharing scenes, particularly the one where you share Kat with Igor, so much so, I almost rolled it back out of reflex even though it wasn't on my main save. Maybe they have a complex about sharing and gangbangs due to their rejection of their own culture's sexual practices?
Yes, they are and you're right, it aims to reflect their conflict, but as they admit is was a deep buried desire, (incest)once, on which none of both dared to act (exept Igor with Kats mom secretly)
 
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