Ragnar

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Zaton is a Desert Stalker, they're the best warriors of the setting as far as I know. I'm fine with some game overs if you make mistakes like in the Hive but I can't see him being pussy whipped by the Queen. She needs him more than he needs her.
There are plenty of games with young mcs wetting their pants at the sight of their landlady's boobs.
 

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Zaton is a Desert Stalker, they're the best warriors of the setting as far as I know. I'm fine with some game overs if you make mistakes like in the Hive but I can't see him being pussy whipped by the Queen. She needs him more than he needs her.
There are plenty of games with young mcs wetting their pants at the sight of their landlady's boobs.
He's not exactly pussy whipped by her if you go the dominant route with the queen. It seems it's leading up to her being more than happy with him being controlling with her. Of course if you went the "yes ma'am" route it's going to seem like he takes shit from her. This game is what YOU make it.
 
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Ragnar

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He's not exactly pussy whipped by her if you go the dominant route with the queen. It seems it's leading up to her being more than happy with him being controlling with her. Of course if you went the "yes ma'am" route it's going to seem like he takes shit from her. This game is what YOU make it.
I know but some people are talking about how Zaton is too much of a Gary Stu to make the story believable.
 

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I know but some people are talking about how Zaton is too much of a Gary Stu to make the story believable.
Oh noes, a porn game that isn't believable. I'm sure their idea of neutering Gary Stu would certainly make it more believable apoc sci-fi game with zombies, mutants, and girls that are horny 24/7.
It is just a matter of people having a kink they aren't seeing fulfilled in game. Can't really blame them when almost every F95 game stars a weak, timidly, or inexperienced shota who must use mind control to get anywhere.

Suspending disbelief goes with the territory with any of these AVNs. You either buy into a 'might makes right' game world with experienced, capable, top tier Stalker MC who can handle problems without falling to pieces and constantly losing or you don't. Personally, I wouldn't much enjoy having MC who has his Omar levels increased and his Zaton levels decreased.
 

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Oh noes, a porn game that isn't believable. I'm sure their idea of neutering Gary Stu would certainly make it more believable apoc sci-fi game with zombies, mutants, and girls that are horny 24/7.
It is just a matter of people having a kink they aren't seeing fulfilled in game. Can't really blame them when almost every F95 game stars a weak, timidly, or inexperienced shota who must use mind control to get anywhere.

Suspending disbelief goes with the territory with any of these AVNs. You either buy into a 'might makes right' game world with experienced, capable, top tier Stalker MC who can handle problems without falling to pieces and constantly losing or you don't. Personally, I wouldn't much enjoy having MC who has his Omar levels increased and his Zaton levels decreased.
Yeah, such MC's are rare nowadays, especially backed up with at least mediocre writing/personality.
So let's hope MC'll never cross the line with "pussylicking" and will not become another "shonen anime MC"
Edit: I meant metaphorically, nothing against cunnilingus... :FacePalm:
 
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Yeah, such MC's are rare nowadays, especially backed up with at least mediocre writing/personality.
True and we don't have much an alternative. Keep in mind that if you lose a fight in this realm, you are likely become dead or slave.

Already discussed how constant game overs are a terrible idea in visual novels. It is like devs who put in menu choice with only one option to select. The end result is going to be the same, you are just postponing the inevitable with more busywork mouse-clicking.

You could make more capable opponents to challenge MC.. We already have Lord Abrax who seems like a badass but not much screen time yet this early in story. Must wait and see on that front. We also have our bitchy queen whom you can be subservient to if you need to get your beta fix that badly. Fangs also can hold her own from what we have seen. The decayed could prove very deadly if they ever gather and concentrate feu d'enfer to attack in force.

We also talked about including more non-fatal options (ex. good, bad, ugly outcomes), but as previously stated that requires a lot more writing, rendering, coding for each branch. Will that extra work add that much more entertainment value? I don't know maybe, but this game already has a high entertainment level with quick turnaround. One of the few high rated games with regular sub 6 month intervals.

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Here's an option I thought up:

Stalker gets into a fight; if by the choices the player makes he wins, he continues on with existing quests; if he loses, he is thrown into a dungeon, made a slave, or whatever, and he needs to escape or be rescued (Shani?), which would be a new quest to be completed before Stalker could continue with other quests.

Since this is a sandbox game, not a strict VN, such a scenario would not be too difficult to implement. The catch would be in how much extra content would need to be added for the capture route, and if any of it's sexual in nature, people would complain about missing content by winning the fight. And if the developers compensated by making it so that Stalker had to miss some quests if captured, then the players would have to play two routes to see all content.

The moral of the story is that all options/choices may have unintended consequences for both the developers and the players.

Afterthought: I like my scenario so much that I'd like to see it implemented, but so that Stalker loses no matter what and has to be rescued by Shani. [I don't like to have to go through separate routes for important content (sex scenes :))]

At any rate, the developers will do what they will, and I'm sure I'll like it, whatever it is.
 

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Here's an option I thought up:

Stalker gets into a fight; if by the choices the player makes he wins, he continues on with existing quests; if he loses, he is thrown into a dungeon, made a slave, or whatever, and he needs to escape or be rescued (Shani?), which would be a new quest to be completed before Stalker could continue with other quests.

Since this is a sandbox game, not a strict VN, such a scenario would not be too difficult to implement. The catch would be in how much extra content would need to be added for the capture route, and if any of it's sexual in nature, people would complain about missing content by winning the fight. And if the developers compensated by making it so that Stalker had to miss some quests if captured, then the players would have to play two routes to see all content.

The moral of the story is that all options/choices may have unintended consequences for both the developers and the players.

Afterthought: I like my scenario so much that I'd like to see it implemented, but so that Stalker loses no matter what and has to be rescued by Shani. [I don't like to have to go through separate routes for important content (sex scenes :))]

At any rate, the developers will do what they will, and I'm sure I'll like it, whatever it is.
not a bad idea and good way to incorporate shani. zisnt it an option to disable shani being a controled protagonist though not sure how it would work if people opted out of playing as her.
 

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Already discussed how constant game overs are a terrible idea in visual novels. It is like devs who put in menu choice with only one option to select. The end result is going to be the same, you are just postponing the inevitable with more busywork mouse-clicking.
I understand what you mean but in this particular case I disagree. In the context of this game bad ends make quite a lot of sense.

This is not a boy-peeking-on-mom-gets-caught-gameover kind of game. What the MC is doing is genuinely dangerous, even for him, and if he makes a bad choice, he could get unlucky.

And, being a kind-of sandbox, there is plenty clicking anyway so that argument is not so strong in my opinion.

Stalker gets into a fight; if by the choices the player makes he wins, he continues on with existing quests; if he loses, he is thrown into a dungeon, made a slave, or whatever, and he needs to escape or be rescued (Shani?), which would be a new quest to be completed before Stalker could continue with other quests.
I really like this scenario! (y)
 

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Yeah, the MC in this game throws down hands with the best of them, and wins. Kinda expected for a patriarch of a thriving family unit in the middle of an apocalyptic wasteland. Otherwise, there would be no story, would there now?
 
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Here's an option I thought up:

Stalker gets into a fight; if by the choices the player makes he wins, he continues on with existing quests; if he loses, he is thrown into a dungeon, made a slave, or whatever, and he needs to escape or be rescued (Shani?), which would be a new quest to be completed before Stalker could continue with other quests.
That's a really good idea! Not just the idea of separate routs because of your choices, but that particular scenario as well
 
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