Disturbed by lolicon and bestiality.

[Joshua Tree]

I think the acceptance or at least the view people have on such as shota and beastiality come down to the setting it is in as well. We can pritty much agree on that creepy uncle with candy and late night barn yard visits is not everyones cup of tea and a big no no in rl. But a game is make believe and fantasy, and as someone said earlier in the thread, you do not go out and do things you play in a game in the rl world afterwards. At least not if you a normal human being. And by chance if you do, there is something fundamentaly wring with you from before and prone to do it game or no game.

Also with such as Japan mentioned earlier. Its a cultural thing as well, and what is accepteable in what part of the world, and so forth. In the US you can show murder, death and mayhem on the tv ano no one care. Show a nipple and there is a uprising. I rather see boobs than deaths tbh.

On a funny note, earlier todday I posted on our guilds slack about something I read in the news about a naked intoxicated guy that had been caught in a barn, and attacked the farmer. Then one of our members from Turkey said;

"It's not really shocking to me since there are videos of people fucking donkeys from the eastern parts of Turkey. Of course it's even worse in the Arab world..."

Which reminded me about a disturbing night some years back on our teamspeak server, where some of us was sitting talking about kinks and fetish's and one guy from England suddenly started talk about beastiality, although not sobber at the time, he started rave on and he ended with something along the lines of "if the animals didn't like it, they had legs and could just walk away right?", with the response from the rest was basicaly WTF dude?

One of my neighbours got a dog that seems to want to hump everyones legs with every chance it get. Does it make me ponder what she does to the thing behind closed doors? Well, the idea is more appealing than thinking about the local farmer help himself to one of his cows after midnight

 

[random887766]

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I don't think this comparison works as well as you want it to. Yes, violence in video games is pretty much unavoidable nowadays, you even hunt poor little innocent animals in Minecraft, but you're not exactly buying such games for that specific reason.
For instance, I bought Dishonored a long time ago, appealed by the concept of being a stealthy assassin with powers, but it wasn't exactly the fact that I was allowed to kill litteraly anyone in my way that appealed to me, but rather the gameplay that was surrounding all of the killing business. The satisfaction does not truly come from the fact that you're given the option to murder someone, but rather the original and inventive options you have to do it. The animations and seeing that fictionnal character die is sort of the icing on the cake, what I find more important than the simple killing are the many weapons and powers I'm given.

The comparison works even less with Open-World RPG that advertise an extreme amount of freedom, like GTA. There are many reasons to play GTA, being able to murder anyone you want is merely one of those. It might the main focus for some people, but for the rest of them, it's just an element of the game, just like accomplishing missions, stealing cars or smoking joints (still in GTA, of course) are other, equal elements.

NSFW Games do not exactly follow the same logic. I can think of some NSFW games that do not entirely revolve around sex and try very hard to only present sex as yet another element of the game, but for the vast majority, NSFW games are focused on the sex scenes and specific fetishes.
What do you think is more likely happen, someone playing a game for the featured fetishes or for its gameplay? Now, once more, I'm not saying you can't enjoy gameplay when there's sex involved in the game, but if we're being honest, most of the time we will select games that "pander" to our sexual preferences.
If you're actively looking for a game that features loli characters, then there has to be a reason for that. In the same way, I'm often looking for games that advertise a female lead, or sleeping characters, or customizable outfits. It works for me, so those are the tags I'll check out. On the other end, I'd say it is unlikely you bought GTA only for the sake of killing random people.

Obviously, it has been said many times, just because you play some "hardcore fetish" game does not mean you will automatically think that these things you considered immoral are suddenly fine, and that you're going to act out all of your deep dark fantasies like a brainless slug. You can have attraction and also a moral compass that is working perfectly fine in society's opinion, those things are not exclusive, but I think it would be dishonest to say you're not into BDSM if you're looking for BDSM porn, or that you're not into lolis if you're looking for loli porn.

Well I can't really speak for anyone else or any sort of majority. I can only speak for myself and my own thoughts and feelings on the matter. Which admittedly are probably in the minority. But I play NSFW games for the same reasons I play any other game. That is to say the reasons vary based on the game.

There are different types of adult games like VN's, and RPG's, and even sidescrollers. I may play a game for the story or the art or because the game has a fun mechanic. A specific fetish in a game certainly plays a part but I would not say it is my sole purpose for playing those games. Even in an adult game I would say that gameplay matters. There are easier ways to get off than to play a forty hour VN or a grindy rpg just for a few NSFW CG's.

If a game includes a specific fetish I may see that as a bonus but that would not be the deciding factor for me spending my time on it. There are plenty of times when a game includes a fetish I am not particularly fond of but as long as there are other aspects of the game I find appealing I can still enjoy the game.

 

[Mike Cross]

Well, I usually hear a lot of discussions of the genre not only on sites like Tumblr, but also on creative communities, whether they are from literature or games, invoking the same justification: this type of media either defers or even encourages this type of behavior.
I, who have always been skeptical of this argument that "entertainment can make the people's heads," I tend to think that this preoccupation with controversial themes is the result of the concern of many people who don't want to see their hands dirty and want take your responsibility beforehand.
And of course, there are those who live in the most absolute paranoia, and thinks that everything can corrupt people.
For myself, I keep saying that all this is just fiction, and that guys should relax a little and get laid...

 

[Salamatama]

As long as it's fiction, it's okay. Just don't do in real life.

 

[Draghough]

If you think those are disturbing wait to see vore , gore , scat or necrophilia

 

[Crusoe]

It`s fun reading these kind of threads. You can read some weird shit, some funny shit and some real shitty shit.

Tbh i can not compare (you name it) kink to loli/shota. I mean i don`t see millions of animals or humans (dead or alive) being victims of people who are into BSDM, zoophilia, necrophilia or being eaten by vore fetishists. Millions of children are victims of pedophiles.
One of the Pros you hear the most is that "movies/games does not impact our RL" but then you read someone who claims rape crimes in Japan are more rare because of games/movies. Does the games/movies increase, decrease or not affect our actions in RL?
IMHO the best and only Pro i could get is that loli/shota games/movies are the best bait to get the people who really can be dangerous in RL.

 

[Salamatama]

It`s fun reading these kind of threads. You can read some weird shit, some funny shit and some real shitty shit.

Tbh i can not compare (you name it) kink to loli/shota. I mean i don`t see millions of animals or humans (dead or alive) being victims of people who are into BSDM, zoophilia, necrophilia or being eaten by vore fetishists. Millions of children are victims of pedophiles.
One of the Pros you hear the most is that "movies/games does not impact our RL" but then you read someone who claims rape crimes in Japan are more rare because of games/movies. Does the games/movies increase, decrease or not affect our actions in RL?
IMHO the best and only Pro i could get is that loli/shota games/movies are the best bait to get the people who really can be dangerous in RL.

You could say that the one baiting the pedos are....Masterbaiters! :3

 

[Dolphin3000]

I like some things others like different things. I won't judge anyone on whatever floats their boats as long as it doesn't transfer to real life (I don't believe games do that though).

I totally agree with you. I also believe games may alter people's behavior in real life when players are youngsters (still in formation) and are exposed to violent or other socially unacceptable behavior as a normal or even desired behavior in a game. When a player is an adult, if he gets influenced by a game to the point of transferring a game behavior to real life, it means he had a psychological problem in the first place, prior to his exposure to that game.

 

[Dolphin3000]

It`s fun reading these kind of threads. You can read some weird shit, some funny shit and some real shitty shit.

Tbh i can not compare (you name it) kink to loli/shota. I mean i don`t see millions of animals or humans (dead or alive) being victims of people who are into BSDM, zoophilia, necrophilia or being eaten by vore fetishists. Millions of children are victims of pedophiles.
One of the Pros you hear the most is that "movies/games does not impact our RL" but then you read someone who claims rape crimes in Japan are more rare because of games/movies. Does the games/movies increase, decrease or not affect our actions in RL?
IMHO the best and only Pro i could get is that loli/shota games/movies are the best bait to get the people who really can be dangerous in RL.

Real life rapers and child abusers don't play rape themed games or loli/shota themed games, they go for the real thing. It is not like someone first 'gets trained' playing a game and then he goes put it into practice in real life, that's not how it works.
Usually a 'normal' person plays a game and has some fun with all the things he knows he will never do in real life either because it is too dangerous for his life like some car stunts or sports stunts, or because the consequences in other fields of his life would be disastrous like building a harem or impregnating all known females, or because they are against the law. It is just enjoying the freedom fantasy allows us.

 

[Crusoe]

Real life rapers and child abusers don't play rape themed games or loli/shota themed games, they go for the real thing. It is not like someone first 'gets trained' playing a game and then he goes put it into practice in real life, that's not how it works.
Usually a 'normal' person plays a game and has some fun with all the things he knows he will never do in real life either because it is too dangerous for his life like some car stunts or sports stunts, or because the consequences in other fields of his life would be disastrous like building a harem or impregnating all known females, or because they are against the law. It is just enjoying the freedom fantasy allows us.

And your claims are based on some study? Or you just know it?
Because to me it seems like saying people who have sex in RL don`t play sex themed games, they go for the real thing.
The very reason of the famous rule no. 7 in this forum was "We don`t want that kind of people in here".

 

[Tease Me]

I find it odd that the internet is getting more and more censored. Shota/Loli Rape bestiality and violence are not new concepts they are as old as art. There are many masterpieces that show these subjects, No less than four masters did Rape of the Sabine Women. Zeus is shown a number of times as an animal having sex with women. Leda Helen's mother was shown having sex with a swan In many more masterpieces. I looked up Zeus bestiality on yahoo and drew a blank because I used the word bestiality. However Leda and the swan showed many photos of bestiality.

Up until 2003-2005 you could find many drawings of Denis Mitchell having sex with adult women on the net. Now he has to be portrayed as an 18+. In the latter half of the 20th century there were many publications that showed Shota and bestiality they would be banned today.

The free Net is a lie. Anything the owners of Microsoft Google and Yahoo think is taboo is banned. The odd thing these so called liberals of the media are the biggest hypocrites in history.

 

[Dolphin3000]

And your claims are based on some study? Or you just know it?
Because to me it seems like saying people who have sex in RL don`t play sex themed games, they go for the real thing.
The very reason of the famous rule no. 7 in this forum was "We don`t want that kind of people in here".

As far as I know there is no study about sex offenders and their gaming choices. But from the news one can conclude that those who are committing those crimes were not playing sex themed games otherwise it would have been exploited in the media, the same way they do when violent mmorpg game player kill or neglect their kids.

Remember that games are recognized as a relief valve for anger and aggressiveness that otherwise could be channeled to real life. (

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[vir_cotto]

Yeah, poor drawings/3d models... So abused. United Nations Human Rights Council should intervene! :FeelsBadMan:

I'm joking, of course, because I really don't understand how it's possible some people can't see difference between reality and drawings. Should we ban Bosch's paintings? They're really disturbing with deaths, nightmarish scenes... Maybe we shoudl ban all act paintings? After all, almost EVERY model was underage by today standards. Then we should start with literature - "Lolita", of course, is logical start. But don't forget Bible - full of incest, rapes, underage sex... It's easier to write down what is not in there.

Right now, you can find hundreds of porn actresses that look like prepubescent girls - and no, it's not a coincidence. It's a fetish. I don't know about legal status of zoophilia but I think it's legal (under certain conditions) in most countries - and making movies about that also.

Video games are form of art. They are natural evolution of film - only with more interactivity - and now we're coming to the real problem of today society and it's hypocrisy.

You've got serial killer or rapist in 50's and who should we blame? Rock'n'roll! Who else?
In 60's? Damn cinema! 70's? Television! Then comics, video games...

Hey! That's "normal"! We certainly wouldn't want to blame like - I don't know - maybe f****** killer/rapist! Society that doesn't wan't to research causes or prevent them, some family memebers and friends which ignored all telltale signs...

Life doesn't imitate the art - art is imitation of the life. Who says otherwise is lying - deliberately or because of ignorance.

So, no - I'm quite sure nobody will become pedophile or rapist or killer by playing games, but it's possible that such person is playing games and that is IMHO better than he/she's doing that in real life.

I watched all Hammer Film's Dracula flicks with late sir Christopher Lee and, I swear, I didn't drink one drop of blood. Just beer.

 

[pcg50]

One of the Pros you hear the most is that "movies/games does not impact our RL" but then you read someone who claims rape crimes in Japan are more rare because of games/movies. Does the games/movies increase, decrease or not affect our actions in RL?

and millions of adult women and men are victims of sexual harassment (me included) and rape . and I know the deep effect it can have on your future relationships . The problem is very difficult to have a causation effect in this kind of things . And correlation doesn't mean causation , but at least we can point out that crime rate is decreasing with increased availability of porn . So to a certain degree we can assume we are heading in the right direction .

IMHO the best and only Pro i could get is that loli/shota games/movies are the best bait to get the people who really can be dangerous in RL.

i enjoy shota themed stuff ( Teen male \ older female ) . How would that affect me , as a Man in his mid 20 ?

Real life rapers and child abusers don't play rape themed games or loli/shota themed games, they go for the real thing. It is not like someone first 'gets trained' playing a game and then he goes put it into practice in real life,

This is a clueless statement , Typically in mass shooters cases they found Violent video games and Movies in his collection , Usually old media uses this to attack video games as the cause of his problems .

Look in the end , i know it's silly for some , i hate to be defending lolicon and other fetishes that i don't like . But it's a principle to be uphold , let people do whatever they want in their fantasies . I have come across so many that i found personally disgusting online *** , but i try to simply remember that's a price to pay to have my own fetishes and fantasy protected

 

[Crusoe]

and millions of adult women and men are victims of sexual harassment (me included) and rape . and I know the deep effect it can have on your future relationships . The problem is very difficult to have a causation effect in this kind of things . And correlation doesn't mean causation , but at least we can point out that crime rate is decreasing with increased availability of porn . So to a certain degree we can assume we are heading in the right direction .

i enjoy shota themed stuff ( Teen male \ older female ) . How would that affect me , as a Man in his mid 20 ?

Look in the end , i know it's silly for some , i hate to be defending lolicon and other fetishes that i don't like . But it's a principle to be uphold , let people do whatever they want in their fantasies . I have come across so many disgusting fetishes for me online , but i try to simply remember that's a price to pay to have my own fetishes and fantasy protected

Don`t know why do you even mention "disgusting". I`m not saying loli/shota is disgusting. I`m questioning its impact on RL. And when i talk about loli/shota i`m not talking about 15-17 years old. There are a lot of mainstream adult games whose characters look like 15 years old.

About violence and rape (especially rape) let me say that when it comes to adult sex fetishes they are not just complicated but also the boundaries become very blurred. There are people who like to roleplay rape victims. I don`t think you can say the same thing about the children though.

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[pcg50]

Don`t know why do you even mention "disgusting". I`m not saying loli/shota is disgusting. I`m not judging the taste here. I And when i talk about loli/shota i`m not talking about 15-17 years old. There are a lot of mainstream adult games whose characters look like 15 years old.

to me , i am sorry let me fix it if it's clear

 

[pcg50]

Don`t know why do you even mention "disgusting". I`m not saying loli/shota is disgusting. I`m not judging the taste here. I And when i talk about loli/shota i`m not talking about 15-17 years old. There are a lot of mainstream adult games whose characters look like 15 years old.

seems to me like a very clear boundary to me , reality vs Fantasy . Look this kind of arguments has been used repeatably against violence in movies , video games , sexism in video games and now fetishes . I do understand your concern , and i would probably never shake hands with someone i know that he likes scat as fetish even as fantasy They are people who role plays as kids , i come across that in Yakuza 2 and some Western comics and porn .
But then again it's very difficult to link fantasy and media effects to real life effects . As far as real life goes , there is a combination of Laws , morality , empathy, and distinction between fantasy vs real life to prevent such abuses , most the the time anyway .

I personally like the shota stuff , obviously it doesn't have any possible real life influence as an adult , while find lolicon as uninteresting as gay stuff and i like some of the more extreme BDSM and non consent stuff ( forced transformation ) . I try to apply the same standards i apply to my self on others ( Yep i just quoted

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in a porn game site ) And it in this case i myself can make the distinction . I am making the assumption that others , will very likely be able to do so .

 

[Dolphin3000]

This is a clueless statement , Typically in mass shooters cases they found Violent video games and Movies in his collection , Usually old media uses this to attack video games as the cause of his problems .

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The only ones who could be induced to transfer to real life their in game activities are youngsters (those who haven't yet formed their personalities) or those adults who had a psychological problem prior to the game exposure (usually perpetrators of domestic violence etc.) No 'normal' guy will rape anyone because he raped a character in a PC game, neither will produce a real life massacre because he killed thousands of videogame characters in a shooter game.
If what you say was a fact, we should have epidemic rape cases in Japan where thousands of erotic games, many of them rape themed, are released every year. But the truth is rape in Japan is rare, and when it happens, usually the case involves American soldiers from an American military base in Japan.

 

[Crusoe]

You can compare loli/shota thing with any kind of fetish you want but no other fetish is targeted by law enforcements except for loli/shota. Guess why?
And you can also say "VR has nothing to do with RL" but when law enforcements hunt down those kind of people guess where they find them?

 

[Dolphin3000]

You can compare loli/shota thing with any kind of fetish you want but no other fetish is targeted by law enforcements except for loli/shota. Guess why?
And you can also say "VR has nothing to do with RL" but when law enforcements hunt down those kind of people guess where they find them?

Again, there is no evidence supporting the theory that loli/shota games would lead to real life child abuse. I have never read/heard in the media about a single case of child abuse linked to a loli/shota game player. There are many child abuse cases reported in the media, I mention two brutal cases below, but it is the same for all other cases I know of, no relation to games:

Michelle Martens case (Enjoyed seen her preteen daughter being raped)

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James Huskey case (Used to rape his preteen daughter)

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If real life child abuse cases were somehow related to loli/shota games the media would quickly exploit it, pointing the finger at those games. As they do when real life violence/negligence is related to games. See three cases below:

Gregg J. Kleinmark (Left his twin kids in the bathtub while he played a game. The kids died)

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Alexandra V. Tobias (Shook her baby to death because it was disturbing her gaming)

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Tony Lamont Bragg Sr. (Squeezed his baby to death because it was disturbing his gaming)

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As we can see in all these cases the problem is not the game it is the person Some of these games are not even violent games! And even when it involves a violent game, if the game was to blame, brutal crimes like mass shooters should also happen in all countries where these violent games are available, and that's not what happens!
The logical conclusion is: Western society style is seriously sick because it is creating these abominations. I would put the US society at the top of the seriously sick societies list, because how often these monsters are produced in the US.

In order to blame the violent games for mass shooters events, and loli/shota games for rape and child abuse crimes, we should have a great number of mass shooter events in countries like Mexico, Brazil, Germany, France among others. But it just doesn't happen. We should also have a great number of rape and child abuse cases in Japan where loli/shota games are widely available, probably more than in any other country in the world. But again, it doesn't happen!

Considering all available evidences we can conclude that violent crimes like mass shooters, sex crimes like rape and child abuse are not a consequence of games, they are a result of a sick society.