Ren'Py Divine Dawn [v0.33] [Cryswar]

[YogSothoth1982]

Do you also go into a game with the maledom tag and ask if the maledom is avoidable?

I don't like femdom or maledom, so I've done it more than once.

 

[UnDeaD_CyBorG]

Beyond that, it depends on the position and the character.

Specifically Sarah has a lot of quasi MC-mindcontrol in how she uses her powers like a small time dealer high on their own supply.
I've found that rather offputting in the past, but I have no idea if that qualifies for some people's definition of specific tags.
I'll probably get another look when I get the time.
Stories are best experienced not so spread out, so I planned to wait an update and then probably finally grab the itch version and play 3 at a time or smth.

 

[Cryswar]

Specifically Sarah has a lot of quasi MC-mindcontrol in how she uses her powers like a small time dealer high on their own supply.
I've found that rather offputting in the past, but I have no idea if that qualifies for some people's definition of specific tags.
I'll probably get another look when I get the time.
Stories are best experienced not so spread out, so I planned to wait an update and then probably finally grab the itch version and play 3 at a time or smth.

That's totally fair! Sarah and Ashley are succubi, but surprisingly easy to dom for the most part, so it's hard to place them. Sarah is probably more of a power bottom and Ashley more of a bratty bottom? Charm magic mostly accentuates what the target is already feeling.

On a more conversational note, I do genuinely find these discussions interesting. I've never minded light femdom or maledom myself so when I started the game I didn't realize how strong feelings could be on both. I thought it was just like, ballbusting and rape type stuff that were particularly controversial, and I've been playing H games since... I wanna say 2002? Think I started with Simgirl on Newgrounds.

I'm not sure exactly what I would do differently if I had a chance to do the last few years over from scratch. Probably a smaller game, lol. Maybe more of an attempt to make characters fit into categories better, but I sorta like that they don't, at least to me it makes them feel a bit more real for the emotional attachment - doesn't do much for someone who goes in just wanting maledom or femdom though.

 

[maroder]

why is there porn in my therapy simulation game
i would play these game even without sex scenes. these is highest prise i generally can give to adult game

 

[Szarki]

I have been adding lighthearted/intimate conversations, and I definitely intend to continue doing so and exploring other options to inject more levity to camp - I like letting characters relax and get to know each other better! With that said, I think you're missing a lot of characterization here. These are flawed characters, forced to trust each other with their lives in battle and often grateful to the MC for saving their lives or helping them out, but they have been fairly reticent about stuff they don't want to talk about.

Sarah has a breakdown and a fair few scenes before she manages to tell you about one of her Aspects. It's not until Metatron's 18 trust, after the main story plot in which you either enacted or stopped a genocide, that she finally starts to open up about how she feels responsible for what happened in the temple - and while there have been some hints, she hasn't opened up about her other virtues or almost any of her feelings on the war. Maya has had 12 or so scenes and the MC is only now starting to get past the many barriers she has put up. Aspasia still has yet to reveal basically anything about herself.

Frankly, I don't agree that they have "no inhibition" or "trust you inherently with the briefest of time spent together." I don't suffer the delusion that my writing is perfect by any means, but I've tried to do each girl justice in her interactions and character growth, and I will continue to do my best while ensuring that there is lighthearted stuff along the way.

By no means am I calling your writing bad. If it was the case, I wouldn't have bothered following through to this point. Perhaps my view of the whole thing is skewed because I haven't exactly replayed the game in its entirety to get the bigger picture. I do, however, stand by my criticism, yet still I see the improvement happening along the way. I sincerely hope that you have not taken my comment as being in bad faith. Good luck to you on the continued work.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

To be clear, when I say "femdom" I don't mean stuff like ballbusting, pegging, or degradation. We're talking more like cowgirl position, blowjobs where the guy isn't in control, the girl initiating sex, that kind of thing. Some characters have both malesub and maledom scenes. Metatron has probably been the most submissive overall, funny enough. Ashley is a teasing brat, but a lot of her scenes are mostly male dominant or equal.

Beyond that, it depends on the position and the character. Sarah is a blowjob fiend and you're generally not going to win there, but almost all of her actual sex scenes are equal or male dominant to some degree or another.

Not sure if that's exactly what you were looking for, but hopefully it helps!

I don't like femdom at any intensity. And I can basically say the same about maledom. Any vive that someone is dominating another person will make the scene unlikable for me.

 

[Cryswar]

I don't like femdom at any intensity. And I can basically say the same about maledom. Any vive that someone is dominating another person will make the scene unlikable for me.

Interesting, would you mind explaining that? Is it more that you want both parties to be into it/roughly equal?

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Interesting, would you mind explaining that? Is it more that you want both parties to be into it/roughly equal?

I don't know what to say, I dislike femdom and maledom scenes, and they often tend to annoy me. I don't find anything in them that makes me want to watch them. If you're asking me what I like, it's romantic sex scenes where neither of the two imposes themselves on the other.

 

[ECCwnere]

Recursion Error I got while playing. Hopefully it gets fixed down the line.

 

[Cryswar]

I don't know what to say, I dislike femdom and maledom scenes, and they often tend to annoy me. I don't find anything in them that makes me want to watch them. If you're asking me what I like, it's romantic sex scenes where neither of the two imposes themselves on the other.

Appreciate the explanation. That helps me understand what you meant. Romantic/equal stuff is great!

Recursion Error I got while playing. Hopefully it gets fixed down the line.

Thanks for the report, I'll try to get that sorted next update.

 

[Saiyajin2205]

Interesting, would you mind explaining that? Is it more that you want both parties to be into it/roughly equal?

Even though this question isn't asked to me.I wanted to answer because I sort of dislike both maledom and femdom.I prefer when the relationship and the scenario is romantic you know,just because someone is assertive doesn't mean they are trying to dominate their partner they are instead just trying to take the lead especially if their partner is shy.But it isn't domination.

 

[Cryswar]

Even though this question isn't asked to me.I wanted to answer because I sort of dislike both maledom and femdom.I prefer when the relationship and the scenario is romantic you know,just because someone is assertive doesn't mean they are trying to dominate their partner they are instead just trying to take the lead especially if their partner is shy.But it isn't domination.

I don't mind you jumping in! I actually agree, for me the hottest thing is both parties being very clear that they're into it. Assertive is great, on both sides, rather than either side just lying there like a sack of lumpy potatoes. And that's very much the theme I've generally tried to go with for this game.

It's been quite interesting how people define femdom/maledom, and what falls under femdom to them. I've mostly used it in the meaning of 'female/male takes the lead' but certain things can rub people the wrong way or push it into femdom to them.

 

[Saiyajin2205]

I don't mind you jumping in! I actually agree, for me the hottest thing is both parties being very clear that they're into it. Assertive is great, on both sides, rather than either side just lying there like a sack of lumpy potatoes. And that's very much the theme I've generally tried to go with for this game.

It's been quite interesting how people define femdom/maledom, and what falls under femdom to them. I've mostly used it in the meaning of 'female/male takes the lead' but certain things can rub people the wrong way or push it into femdom to them.

I mean someone like the Angel Michael from your game would take the lead ,her personality is like that.It doesn't mean she is trying to dominate the Mc. She is taking the lead because it's her nature maybe you can call it light femdom or soft femdom like some people call it but to me it just sounds like a more powerful and older person taking the lead.Different dynamics due to age,personality,power and station.

Something similiar for the half Angel woman Selendis ? I think I am kind of forgetting the name haven't played the game in a while but yeah she would also have a similar relationship with mc obviously there would be difference between both but it's a similar type.So they both still will have their partners well being first.While the whole actual femdom would be more of looking down at their partner and a less about the partner and more about themselves.

Completely unrelated but do you plan to add mor art to your game eventually?

 

[UnDeaD_CyBorG]

Charm magic mostly accentuates what the target is already feeling.

I always found it a bit odd that it's just not questioned, though. It essentially always being present made me wonder about the supposed actual feelings involved, as there's no point of reference; And, given how f.Ex. Sarah overtly doubts herself, it was odd there was no way to pick up on that.
Way back when, I wrote a comment about that, then thought it came across wrong, and apparently never revised it, so I'll leave it here for my own future reference.

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But then again, the characters are horny teenagers, and I don't need to be able to fit in that mindscope anymore. ^^

What people consider worthy of X/Y tag might come down to whether or not they have an emotional connection to that content, be it like or distaste. Which is indeed fascinating to converse about with some distance, but then that maybe precludes being able to share the sentiment.
At some point, on some imaginary line between vanilla and some tag/kink, someone isn't comfortable with it anymore, and that's where they'll draw the line, while someone else, at a different point on that line, will see it as a turnon, and that's where they'll consider it worthy of the tag. Or maybe they'd not think about it that much, at all.

 

[Cryswar]

I mean someone like the Angel Michael from your game would take the lead ,her personality is like that.It doesn't mean she is trying to dominate the Mc. She is taking the lead because it's her nature maybe you can call it light femdom or soft femdom like some people call it but to me it just sounds like a more powerful and older person taking the lead.Different dynamics due to age,personality,power and station.

Something similiar for the half Angel woman Selendis ? I think I am kind of forgetting the name haven't played the game in a while but yeah she would also have a similar relationship with mc obviously there would be difference between both but it's a similar type.So they both still will have their partners well being first.While the whole actual femdom would be more of looking down at their partner and a less about the partner and more about themselves.

Completely unrelated but do you plan to add mor art to your game eventually?

Right, that all makes sense, and I agree. I don't like the vibes of looking down on their partner at all, it's part of why I am often leery about the "femdom" tag as well, since it can be hard to tell if their idea of femdom is "she rides you" or "she steps on your balls and calls you a bitch."

Selendis is still human (mostly) but definitely has angel blood, and yeah I can see her being a lot more assertive! I mostly want her to hold me in those strong arms and tell me everything will be okay, though.

I definitely intend to add more art. I will be commissioning more custom backgrounds, sex scene CGs, and character art. I cannot promise animations.

I always found it a bit odd that it's just not questioned, though. It essentially always being present made me wonder about the supposed actual feelings involved, as there's no point of reference; And, given how f.Ex. Sarah overtly doubts herself, it was odd there was no way to pick up on that.
Way back when, I wrote a comment about that, then thought it came across wrong, and apparently never revised it, so I'll leave it here for my own future reference.

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But then again, the characters are horny teenagers, and I don't need to be able to fit in that mindscope anymore. ^^

What people consider worthy of X/Y tag might come down to whether or not they have an emotional connection to that content, be it like or distaste. Which is indeed fascinating to converse about with some distance, but then that maybe precludes being able to share the sentiment.
At some point, on some imaginary line between vanilla and some tag/kink, someone isn't comfortable with it anymore, and that's where they'll draw the line, while someone else, at a different point on that line, will see it as a turnon, and that's where they'll consider it worthy of the tag. Or maybe they'd not think about it that much, at all.

Complete honesty, I don't fully understand the first half. Not arguing with it, I think I might just be dumb? They're both horny teenagers that find each other attractive, and she wants a relationship that doesn't come about solely because of her Aspect or her powers, but when they are fooling around she wants to make extra sure MC enjoys it as much as she does.

On the second half, there's definitely an aspect of subjectivity. How much do you like the character, trust the creator, tolerate the fetish... even the same scene can appeal or scare away people depending on how it's framed. It sounds like something I thought was harmless rankled you, or I failed to explain something properly and gave a darker impression than intended. Regardless, this game certainly touches on that sort of thing at times, from free will to genocide, and Ina in particular quite likes discussing similar themes.

 

[dwel-2]

idea of femdom is "she rides you"

This is what I prefer when they say femdom... I really like losing the sex battles too.

 

[Absurdity]

Alright, trying this. Expectations are high just from the class customization, though it doesn't seem that I can pick the custom class unless I'm missing something? Once I pick my stats and element I see no option to go forward. But oh well, picking aeromancer for now.

 

[Cryswar]

Alright, trying this. Expectations are high just from the class customization, though it doesn't seem that I can pick the custom class unless I'm missing something? Once I pick my stats and element I see no option to go forward. But oh well, picking aeromancer for now.

You can make custom classes from the start, yeah. Just keep clicking/tapping the button to the bottom right, iirc after Elements is Equips. You can go back to the previous as well by just clicking the one to the left.

 

[UnDeaD_CyBorG]

Complete honesty, I don't fully understand the first half.

Quite possible it isn't rational. I'm working off fuzzy memory here - I had to reread my earlier, year old comment draft and go from there. At this point this exchange is fresher in my memory than either the game or my thoughts back then.

It may be just, there is such a thing as trying too hard.
Perhaps that is on me; I value control and clarity, and I don't think I've ever been seriously drunk in my life.
As means of an analogy: If you'd only ever have sex while on drugs, can you really tell if it's good? Which I believe is kind of the case here, as exemplified by my likening her to a dealer using her own product.*
It's compounded by the obvious lack of conscious selfcontrol, seeing how the temple scene plays out.
And there's no way to ever bring that up, no way to say "you're a bit much, but it's ok".

failed to explain something properly and gave a darker impression than intended.

Perhaps;

Charm magic mostly accentuates what the target is already feeling.

Maybe that isn't communicated sufficiently, or probably I just overlooked it or forgot (been months between updates in the past, after all, and I didn't get that feeling when first playing).
But, once that trust wasn't there, she kind of creeped me out.

In a way, Sarah reminded me of other game's Yandere characters in her momentary obsessiveness - minus the jealousy, if that even makes any sense.
Which most likely wasn't what you were going for. Just as I really wasn't going for criticising your direction;

It sounds like something I thought was harmless

It probably was.
I am aware the whole camp is basically a therapy circle, and behavior that raises warning flags for me is probably the point.

I mostly answered this now while gathering my thoughts about (before there's a year of distance again and I'm not sure why I had an opinion^^), but I should probably get back to it - it's literally been >10 months. Your explanation of intent is already influencing my outlook, so I'm not sure if could even still advocate my own past position if that was my intent. I appologize if it's a bit of a mess.

Maybe I could start over to get a fresher feel for it;
I do remember that back when I thought I should have started with Earth magic, as there wasn't a teacher for that around at the time, and it promised more interesting interactions.

Edit: I consider it quite fascinating how your intention may diverge from my interpretation, but knowing your intention might change my interpretation, in the same way that the solution to a problem can be "obvious" in hindsight.
*Also, to adress my earlier analogy, I'm aware that there's people, good friends or in a relationship, that meet up and get wasted on the regular - that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with that, just that I can plainly not relate.

 

[Lord Atomsk]

I think i understand what you mean. I'll preface this by saying I don't think that this is the case in the game but, when you first hear charm magic your mind can go to "Subconscious Influence" and when you combine that with succubi before you get a chance to get to know the characters involved it can make you think that even though they think they are attracted to and have feelings/love each other it could just be a mix of a succubi's nature and charm magic influencing them instead of just having a natural spark.

Again though I don't think that's the case in the game at all. It has been a while since i played from the start but from what I remember and what Cryswar has said in the thread already Charm magic just amplifies feelings already there so they wouldn't fall in love solely because of charm magic it just makes them a bit more...frisky when their feelings start running high.

Maybe more powerful succubi could've used it to manipulate people but I believe that would be more of a conscious choice than how it works when we're with Ashley or Sarah anyways.