Thank you for your feedback. I really do appreciate it and maybe I can help clarify my reasoning.
So to your first point of it being to quick to sleep with Des. I worried about this as well but ultimately concluded that if you the player feel that way then you do not have to sleep with her. However at this point enough has happened that I think others will think that Vivian is a bit more open to the idea of sleeping around and while Vivian may not be romantically attracted to Des she is still sexually attracted to her and would at the very least be tempted by the idea. But if you don't think she would be all that interested at this point or are still interested in a more romantic relationship then you can chose not to try and sleep with her. And if you have been neglecting Des she will rebuke your advances.
To your point about spending time with Evaline there are two halves to my reasoning. So first no matter when you invite Evaline to the party(and are not going with your mom) the plan is to use this party to help your best friend get over her breakup. Something Evaline figures out when you talk to her about the party. And knowing how much Des and Evaline hate each other Vivian would either have not invited Des or invited her only to ditch her to go hang out with Evaline which would cause a blowup. It already can if you have too close of a relationship with Evaline at the party to the point where Des can find out that you two are dating.
The invitation was also not one of 'lets go together' and more of 'there is this party happening if you're into that sort of thing'. Vivian also does look for Evaline when you first arrive but doesn't find her. The reason being that Evaline doesn't show up as early as you and Des do.
The second half of the reasoning is from a game play point. It was already a nightmare just to have all the different variables and choices and branching paths. But then to do all of that again with Evaline all of which would end in a fight between you and Des over why you are hanging out together just seemed like a lot of work that most people would probably not enjoy. Especially since it would feel like they had no choice in the matter, even knowing that Des would hate it you had to hang out with Evaline.
I hope this makes sense to you. And I do thank you for your thoughts. It does help me in writing going forward. I want this to be a game where the player feels things make sense that no action seems to be out of nowhere or contrived but that gets a little harder when there are so many choices that can affect how the character behaves.
I understand your arguments for the second point and I accept them, they are coherent.
But, I still think that the des sex event in the Eva route was rushed and it's no coherent, it happened out of nowhere. I really liked the threesome scene, don't get me wrong, but I think that you are making an effort to not only give us good sex scenes but also a good narrative, so you should not be uncareful with that, despite of the difficulties from having a lot of branches.
I'm going to express my argument again, this time through images. I'm going to do a comparisson between the Des route and the Eva route until the threesome scenes:
In this route there's a lot of events between Viv and Des prior to the threesome scene, there's a real build up. The first kiss happened after they slept together and Viv saw her naked, there was a lot of teasing and still there is surpise. Des is hesitant the first time Viv touched her, but there were many make out scenes, so the sex scene happens natural.
In this route not only the first kiss happens in the party, but it was the first intimate encounter between them. There were no hesitance, they acted like if they did that before, a normal event. And one kiss was enough to make a threesome with Des. It's like if Des were a completely different character.
Being honest I thought that it was a bug, it felt that the events were happening out of nowhere. And I disagree with your point insinuating that if I feel that something it's not coherent, I should choose other option. I think all the branches should have sense, no matter what the player choose, that's the responsibilty that takes the good writer, not the player. As I said, I liked the dom threeesome scene, I don't know if you can achieve it in another path, but it would be more coherent in a route where you go shopping with des.
I want to clarify that I write about this thinking in the good of the game. I believe that as the same way as we report when there is a bug, we should give feedback when something in the story isn't coherent. I know that no one else here has expressed concerns about this, and that maybe I'm alone, but I think that still I should say it.
ashitanojoe
Just from seeing your examples, I agree with you there (never played that part/route).
Maybe there are other circumstances involved which have led to the fast developments in their relationship in the second example? (like alcohol, etc.)
I don't know, just asking.^^
My main route is to avoid all sexual encounters if possible just to see if that would piss off Tara.^^
(mostly because some Dev's forget that route even when it's playable)
ashitanojoe
Just from seeing your examples, I agree with you there (never played that part/route).
Maybe there are other circumstances involved which have led to the fast developments in their relationship in the second example? (like alcohol, etc.)
I don't know, just asking.^^
My main route is to avoid all sexual encounters if possible just to see if that would piss off Tara.^^
(mostly because some Dev's forget that route even when it's playable)
In the Eva route, Viv can kiss Des for the first time in the party like if were a common thing, there's no surprise nor hesitance, even when you chose that neither Des or Viv drink alcohol. Right before the threesome scene, Des drank two sips of a strong wine and that's all, as far as I remember.
Oh, that's weird. In real life could the outcome be quite different, I guess.
But I assume that the Dev 'skipped' some relationship developments to make it a bit easier for him.
To develop each branch/path in it's every detail would be a hell ton of work where you can get lost somewhere along the way.
Might not be the best outcome in this scenario but maybe you look it that way that Des just goes with the flow.
I think its down to Des being a bit drunk, a bit up for experimentation and trying new things (she's an artist so quiet unconventional) and secretly having both a thing for Vivian and lesbian desires. At the end she seems to think it's just a bit of fun, a lesbian threeway she tried at college with her best friend and a celebrity, rather than the start of a serious relationship.
I was bored so I did this, this is not really walktrought but shows how different scenes / orders can get.
I only choose the options that make an impact.
Dom and Sub route doesn't matter except "Eva lives with" Vivi(when you have to be Dom route or least three lies points)
I think its down to Des being a bit drunk, a bit up for experimentation and trying new things (she's an artist so quiet unconventional) and secretly having both a thing for Vivian and lesbian desires. At the end she seems to think it's just a bit of fun, a lesbian threeway she tried at college with her best friend and a celebrity, rather than the start of a serious relationship.
This was my reasoning too. Low inhibition from alchool plus the desire to experiment new things to fill the emotional vacuum of being dumped by a stupid ex.
This comes if you have "bad" points with Des, otherwise you get options "threesome"
After the party and Sunday day ... there are already tooooo many different various for what may come up in the discussions.
Viv not goint to party:
-Mom scene or not
-Des go to party alone without Viv
Going to party:
-Mom/Des/Eva combo
-Becca
-Des with two men in bathroom(stop des by going too far(Dom/Sub route) /// or let her have fun with men(Sub route)
Now I understand why we only get "small" story updates at a time per month.
This comes if you have "bad" points with Des, otherwise you get options "threesome"
After the party and Sunday day ... there are already tooooo many different various for what may come up in the discussions.
Viv not goint to party:
-Mom scene or not
-Des go to party alone without Viv
Going to party:
-Mom/Des/Eva combo
-Becca
-Des with two men in bathroom(stop des by going too far(Dom/Sub route) /// or let her have fun with men(Sub route)
Now I understand why we only get "small" story updates at a time per month.
There's no pictures for it yet, but I just discovered another route where Eva is living with you and you don't go to the party, which promises to be pretty hot when complete...
There's no pictures for it yet, but I just discovered another route where Eva is living with you and you don't go to the party, which promises to be pretty hot when complete...
