Question: Why wait so long for free Ep 19 ?
Free Ep 18 has been out for a while and the game seem to be complete.
Free Ep 18 has been out for a while and the game seem to be complete.
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DanThaMan
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Well, maybe not on Love-Joint, but here, we have Ep: 18 for free and off line too.
And my questgion still stand, Question: Why wait so long for free Ep 19 ?
And now i have to add Ep: 18 since your saying that Free Ep: 18 isn't out yet.
DanThaMan
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Ep 18 was leaked a long time ago thats why it's on here, ep 17 was released for free like in March or something, we will probably have to wait a while longer for ep 18 public release then several more months for ep 19 release then even longer than that for the 2 epilogues LOL.
So basicaly, you're saying that i'll be a great grandfather before i see the end of this ?
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So basicaly, you're saying that i'll be a great grandfather before i see the end of this ?
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Well, since we don't know what's going on, what LJ team's been through since Palmer's death, all we have to do is wait peacefully. The release date's not we who are going to decide when it will be. Even if they just don't want to release, it's their wish so just wait.
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I seem to recall reading somewhere in this thread: no more leaks out of respect as Palmer passed away, and so giving the dev team a break.So basicaly, you're saying that i'll be a great grandfather before i see the end of this ?
Ep 19 and epilogues will be released for free eventually, or you can, as I did, pledge in their Patron for a bit and finish the game.
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possibly or just ghost watching others to play ep19 and epilogues.So basicaly, you're saying that i'll be a great grandfather before i see the end of this ?
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Actually, there is a reason to get "that pessimistic". While LJ does technically release the episodes for free, they have made a habit of extending the time between. For example, free episodes were supposed to be three (3) months behind the Patreon release. Go check DFD. It was three months for a while, but slowly and surely dragged out to a longer interval, that at some point was several months.Hah don't think there is a need to get that pessimistic, Love-Joint has always been really cool with their fans - they released the last episode of their previous game (for free) together with all the epilogues all at once.
They are currently busy with Shale Hill, so the next DH release will have to wait for a bit. Let's appreciate the fact that they are releasing it for free in the first place, and patiently wait.
We have seen the same practice for this game. Free updates lagging behind the "announced" (if only by history) schedule. Of course, LJ is attributing the delay to the events of the past year (RIP Palmer. I might not have agreed with his scruples, but he did put himself out there as a DEV, agree with him or not). However, if that is the case, then why was ONLY episode 19 fully protected/share-blocked? It seems more to try to force the 'desperate' to subscribe than the stated mission of 'delivering free games'...
I truly WANTED to become a subscriber for the last game. But the plot shift, in addition to the release change, made me rethink that decision. Then LJ continued the delay tactics with this game.
Honesty/Integrity/Transparency are my biggest conditions to pledge a dev/group. Neither DfD NOR DH have fulfilled the 'It's free at this point' narrative. This felt like switch-er-oo to me, thus I never finished DfD, and, for the record, have NEVER PLAYED DH. I had my doubts on its release, and those have been proven true: Delayed release cycle with no announcement WHY.
Watch what happens with Game 3. The free releases will be tightly coupled to the main releases, but over time, they will start to lag behind.
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I really don't think we can complain about free releases. If you want the game on a more regular basis you just have to pay. Otherwise I think it's poor form to complain that you aren't getting a free game at the time of your liking.
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Well I understand why they wait with the release, but then they might delete the motto on their website..
“Creating FREE games” For some this might not seem like free.. ♂♂
“Creating FREE games” For some this might not seem like free.. ♂♂
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they have dfd + epis for free and 16/17 of 19 chs of dh for free and in dfd before some started to release patreon version for free updates for non-patrons were frequent after that not that frequent.
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I supported them through most of DfD, DH, and the first episodes of their new game. Financially, I can't justify it anymore, and the games themselves are becoming less what I want. The new game seemed more of what I didn't like in DH. Maybe I'll support again in the future, especially a few updates down the line or if I start to hear really good things about the new game. But for now I think my limited money is best spent elsewhere. And since I'm not paying, I don't expect to be playing either. I do think offering updates to the public can be a good business model. It brings in paying customers. But I can see why it deosn't makes sense for the final update and any epilogues to be released. If you're that invested in the game at that point where you need to know how it ends, I'd find the way to subscribe as cheaply as I could for one month to get the content.
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That is a trouble with the Patreon model. Even if you're financially sound, after awhile you realize that you have paid $100, $200, $500 over the course of a year or two for a video game. Eventually, no game is worth that much.
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It's a fair point. Patreon has been a godsend for independent creators, and I think that's great. Taken as a whole there is a lot of money available to creators via Patreon, money that would otherwise never have found creators. As individuals though, the long-term cost of a game is VERY high. If you can find a game that is complete/late in development, then you can get an absolute steal! But if you're backing a game like DH or DFD from the beginning, after about 10 months it's starting to get expensive...and you aren't even half way. That's one of the reasons I think the sweet spot for a monthly game is 18 months. For me, when I start to push two years with one project I begin to question the money I'm spending.
I've definitely had to reconsider the money I spend on Patreon and other platforms. $5 here or $20 here doesn't seem like too much. But when it's monthly, and you're supporting a lot of stuff, it kind of sneaks up on you. Then when you look back and realize you spent what amounts to an insane amount of money for a game, it takes you aback a little. I realize we're not just paying for the game. We're paying to support the developer that makes the game. But I'm going to be more strategic and selective with my support now. Support might be only an occasional thing now for some games that I used to support, or others I just realize that I wasn't getting my money's worth from them will just get dropped. Nothing against the developer there in most cases. It's that the game didn't match me well. There's not always a lot of replay value in some of these games either, or even just replaying certain scenes. The scenes are fun the first time through, but then the novelty is gone. There are older games I go back to time and again though. Or I'd go back to DH and DFD more, except to replay a scene I want would require remembering which update it was in versus just loading a save. Patreon's crackdown on certain taboos has also meant that most developers just hint at certain things versus being tailored to them, as past games were, so maybe that's affecting my viewpoint somewhat.
If money starts becoming less of an issue though, I'm definitely coming back to support more games. Maybe not at the levels I did in the past though. I don't have to always pay for the first day access, or some of bonuses.