Patron, not patreon. I mean those who give money to gumdrop by whatever method since 2017/early18. And since you are here long enough, you should know quite well, that his comment pages are "cleaned" by his cohorts.
Joshua Tree
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Well the site is called "patreon" not patron.. Anyways. I don't frequent his page, and yes I would assume comments get removed and moderated there, just as it occur in similar venues all over the internet, even this site.
People spend their money on stuff regardless how other people feel about it. Whether its sinking cash into games such as FIFA, NBA, Fortnite, whatever, or some adult game on patreon. People wont change unless they ant to change.
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Could've fooled me considering how often you frequent his topic here
Joshua Tree
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I frequent other threads on this site as well. And if you would measure posts per thread ratio, you would found A LOT of people in this thread, that should been steady inventory at his patreon then, which isn't the case right?
I know how that site is called, with patrons I meant all his patrons, since he has opened up several sites/ways you can burn your money for him, eh, donate your money to him.
And you seem to have some "interesting" opinion about moderating forums, since on gumdrop site not only harsh posts are quickly deleted, but harmless ones as well, if they have topics gumdrop does not like.
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I bought a bookcase from a store that had their own site where you could leave a review. I left one that was less than flattering to put it like that. It got deleted. There is no such thing as absolute free or unmoderated speech (except a very few places on the net, where you most likely don't want to frequent regardless). This range from forums, to all kind of media, like youtube (had quite a few comments removed there), whatever else. Such censorship is all around us.
What happens on his Patreon page is nothing more than what happens all over the place else, in that regard. As a consumer/user you are always under the thumb. All you can do is vote with your money.
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I'm new here.
tell me how to put his/her comments in ignor list or block list?
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Just ignore him, like me i ignore joshua tree comments here bcos he doesn't make any sense defending the scam artist 24/7.
Just an FYI for those who wonder who could be so stupid to support him:
1. As stated, his numbers dip then recover every month so he is getting new subscribers all the time.
2. The op can post whatever he wants on the thread home page, not every can see it. I found the game on another site almost a year before I came across this site. I was VERY tempted to support him but held off for some reason. Glad I did.
If everyone here who bitches about not being able to get something for free anymore would take a few minutes and contact/review/comment about this on other sites it MIGHT actually make an impact on GummCock's bottom line. As opposed to the current situation where I'm sure some people are asking themselves "How can I work a scam like that?"
JMO- Going back to sleep now
1. As stated, his numbers dip then recover every month so he is getting new subscribers all the time.
2. The op can post whatever he wants on the thread home page, not every can see it. I found the game on another site almost a year before I came across this site. I was VERY tempted to support him but held off for some reason. Glad I did.
If everyone here who bitches about not being able to get something for free anymore would take a few minutes and contact/review/comment about this on other sites it MIGHT actually make an impact on GummCock's bottom line. As opposed to the current situation where I'm sure some people are asking themselves "How can I work a scam like that?"
JMO- Going back to sleep now
We need a « milking » tag for some game.
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Only 22 pages, that's not THAT much amirite? /s
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Some people here for the dev yes... but yeah i dont think his knights from discord will help him either now... For me im just seeing the dev and this people talking bad about him and his this project... and not without good reason (before that i know this was just... jealous people angry about his good situation) Ok is free... but this development is not normal really. Before this thread was crazy... a joke... waste of time.... NOW... NOW ... today ... yeah... Is totally wrong and a big scam... And is REALLY not funny anymore. Joshua just appear here to talk how good this whole development is... If you want to believe in someone believe in dev_Voyd and me. We're here at the same time when DF was just a simple VR game to now a Big scam.
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Being honest I am more upset at the fact that there is not a new Captain's log than the dev actually not delivering on time because was pretty obvious it was not coming. Even if he does release something eventually, it will not be worth the wait unless it is the entire game.
What I think will happen is as the patrons on his patreon get upset he will scrape together some half-assed content and call that the big release that we all have been waiting for. So let's start taking bets and see who comes closest to the Gumdrops next big excuse
What I think will happen is as the patrons on his patreon get upset he will scrape together some half-assed content and call that the big release that we all have been waiting for. So let's start taking bets and see who comes closest to the Gumdrops next big excuse
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Can you by chance check how many posts I got in every other thread I posted in here as well? I guess you would find I got a much higher post by thread ratio, than a lot of other people in this thread that more or less solely focused on this thread a alone.
How about you? How many pages do you have in the thread you posted the most in? With close to 3k posts I doubt you spread them evenly out. Geeeze.
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Here you can find a copy of the only unique images this scammer has shown for the past 1.5 years (might be missing a few here and there, but this is it, this is virtually all).
That this is a full blown scam is basically impossible to deny (no evidence showing continued work). I argue that he hasn't done ANYTHING during all this time, not that he is just "milking" as some gullible skeptics seem to think.
If he ever releases anything it will be the mediocre product of no more than a few weeks of work, intended to keep the scam going (like the "Christmas" release). Plenty of excuses will then follow explaining why he couldn't deliver a proper update. But considering how things are evolving, I'm starting to think he won't even bother with that anymore, as he has shown even less evidence the last months. This won't ever be a game, but a perpetual shameless scam to get money for doing virtually no work. Incredible to see so much naviety from people who think stuff like this couldn't possibly happen. Happens a lot in other markets, it's only natural we are starting to get scammers seeking opportunities in this newer market now, before people become aware of this reality.
The evidence shows a clear absence of:
* New assets. Be it environments, texture upgrades, clothing items, furniture, etc. you won't find anything new in the "previews". He only recycles old assets. Impossible to explain considering he has been taking thousands per month for more than a year. Ask any dev worth his salt and they will laugh in your face if you told them about this fact. An easy example to uderstand the problem here: visit the patron page of any dev actually doing work, first thing you will see is previews of the characters with new clothing. This scammer hasn't shown any clothing items for 1.5 years!!! clothing polls used to easily hype new releases? totally missing from this scammer's announcements.
* Scene setup. Virtually all previews recycle old scenes or are extreme close-ups which require almost no work (if you are skilled on DAZ these renders take no more than 30 minutes and that's being perfectionist regarding posing). To anyone who has ever spent time building scenes, this is highly suspicious. If a person claims to spend 1.5 years building scenes and rendering, how could it be so hard for this person to show any evidence of the work done?
The way this scammer fools his patrons is by using tactics such as:
* Multiple variants of the same "preview" are recycled and show up again as seemingly new "previews" to create the idea that he has been rendering way more than what careful inspection shows. These are the notorious zoomed-in shots. I'm convinced it's not just an "artistic" choice but a way to deceive his foolish patrons, as it's not trivial to recognize these zoomed-in variants unless you can see all the images next to each other. Other techniques include cropping old images and re-releasing them as a new "previews". Others are blurred instead.
Some examples:
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is a cropped variant of "m_beach_63.jpg" in the last release.* This image:
is a cropped variant of a pin-up image: "54.jpg" in the attached .7z.
* This:
(notice the terrible shading of the skin, inadmissible work by a dude who makes thousands per month and claims that he spent 1.5 years using DAZ Studio and Iray) is a cropped version of "91.jpg" in the attached .7z.Sometimes this scamming tactic reaches ludicrous levels: look at this amorphous image:
.* Go to his site and hit a random page of "announcements" in the past 1.5 year (e.g.
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).Now keep visiting other pages. Notice a pattern? old images from already released releases are the majority.
How could this make any sense if he claims to have almost 3k images rendered? many of these files aren't even slightly altered, they even have the exact same name than in the game folder. If you wanted to make money, even if you just wanted to milk patrons but had work done, you would 100% be using new images as promotional content. It's a no brainer as it would create hype and attract new patrons.
* Visit his site (
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). The promo images on the front page, announcing the supposed new release, are either from old releases or show zoomed-in, trivial to render "previews" (when they don't recycle scenes from old releases, they contain no background assets at all). This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever from the point of view of a rational dev, assuming he has done work. Ask yourself, what would you do to maintain and increase interest if you had been rendering for 1.5 years? obviously what most big devs do: use previews showing new content as the main promotional content.Of course, what he is doing would actually make sense if he hadn't done any work in the last 1.5 years (potentially scrapping some crap together for a bullshit release now).
Worst of all, ALL UNIQUE PREVIEWS/PINUPS/WHATEVER IN 1.5 YEARS (after purging misleading duplicates as described above) AMOUNT TO 126 IMAGES. That is all.
To put this into perspective, this is basically what a generic non-noob dev on this site does in a month, but with the staggering difference that such devs have to build scenes and environments to place the characters, and write the dialogue on top of that, while most of this scammer's previews don't require any setup.
This is a full-blown scam, people should stop pretending he is just "milking". Milking is withholding work done to maximize profits. The evidence shows he has virtually no work done to begin with.
If this guy was Russian people would have destroyed him here for this scam. But since he is American and can embellish his bullshit with sweet sounding English fools tend to fall for it, and defend this indefensible scam.
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Is the only explanation... There's no patreon... 900 fans? 900 patreons? No... 900 patreons with lots of money.
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