VN Ren'Py Dual Family [v1.22.1ce] [Gumdrop Games]

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Joshua Tree

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Jul 10, 2017
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Only 22 pages, that's not THAT much amirite? /s
Can you by chance check how many posts I got in every other thread I posted in here as well? I guess you would find I got a much higher post by thread ratio, than a lot of other people in this thread that more or less solely focused on this thread a alone.

How about you? How many pages do you have in the thread you posted the most in? With close to 3k posts I doubt you spread them evenly out. Geeeze.
 
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Here you can find a copy of the only unique images this scammer has shown for the past 1.5 years (might be missing a few here and there, but this is it, this is virtually all).

That this is a full blown scam is basically impossible to deny (no evidence showing continued work). I argue that he hasn't done ANYTHING during all this time, not that he is just "milking" as some gullible skeptics seem to think.

If he ever releases anything it will be the mediocre product of no more than a few weeks of work, intended to keep the scam going (like the "Christmas" release). Plenty of excuses will then follow explaining why he couldn't deliver a proper update. But considering how things are evolving, I'm starting to think he won't even bother with that anymore, as he has shown even less evidence the last months. This won't ever be a game, but a perpetual shameless scam to get money for doing virtually no work. Incredible to see so much naviety from people who think stuff like this couldn't possibly happen. Happens a lot in other markets, it's only natural we are starting to get scammers seeking opportunities in this newer market now, before people become aware of this reality.

The evidence shows a clear absence of:

* New assets. Be it environments, texture upgrades, clothing items, furniture, etc. you won't find anything new in the "previews". He only recycles old assets. Impossible to explain considering he has been taking thousands per month for more than a year. Ask any dev worth his salt and they will laugh in your face if you told them about this fact. An easy example to uderstand the problem here: visit the patron page of any dev actually doing work, first thing you will see is previews of the characters with new clothing. This scammer hasn't shown any clothing items for 1.5 years!!! clothing polls used to easily hype new releases? totally missing from this scammer's announcements.

* Scene setup. Virtually all previews recycle old scenes or are extreme close-ups which require almost no work (if you are skilled on DAZ these renders take no more than 30 minutes and that's being perfectionist regarding posing). To anyone who has ever spent time building scenes, this is highly suspicious. If a person claims to spend 1.5 years building scenes and rendering, how could it be so hard for this person to show any evidence of the work done?

The way this scammer fools his patrons is by using tactics such as:

* Multiple variants of the same "preview" are recycled and show up again as seemingly new "previews" to create the idea that he has been rendering way more than what careful inspection shows. These are the notorious zoomed-in shots. I'm convinced it's not just an "artistic" choice but a way to deceive his foolish patrons, as it's not trivial to recognize these zoomed-in variants unless you can see all the images next to each other. Other techniques include cropping old images and re-releasing them as a new "previews". Others are blurred instead.

Some examples:

This image: is a cropped variant of "m_beach_63.jpg" in the last release.

* This image: Tg2evyCTRFSPjj_Kz01pxbi-VHbqkjjdUaxFiMozWuh8ALk8-zEQac2r91kSncUH.png
is a cropped variant of a pin-up image: "54.jpg" in the attached .7z.

* This: u_sfhow_002.png (notice the terrible shading of the skin, inadmissible work by a dude who makes thousands per month and claims that he spent 1.5 years using DAZ Studio and Iray) is a cropped version of "91.jpg" in the attached .7z.

Sometimes this scamming tactic reaches ludicrous levels: look at this amorphous image: 12322_1.png .

* Go to his site and hit a random page of "announcements" in the past 1.5 year (e.g. ).
Now keep visiting other pages. Notice a pattern? old images from already released releases are the majority.
How could this make any sense if he claims to have almost 3k images rendered? many of these files aren't even slightly altered, they even have the exact same name than in the game folder. If you wanted to make money, even if you just wanted to milk patrons but had work done, you would 100% be using new images as promotional content. It's a no brainer as it would create hype and attract new patrons.

* Visit his site ( ). The promo images on the front page, announcing the supposed new release, are either from old releases or show zoomed-in, trivial to render "previews" (when they don't recycle scenes from old releases, they contain no background assets at all). This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever from the point of view of a rational dev, assuming he has done work. Ask yourself, what would you do to maintain and increase interest if you had been rendering for 1.5 years? obviously what most big devs do: use previews showing new content as the main promotional content.
Of course, what he is doing would actually make sense if he hadn't done any work in the last 1.5 years (potentially scrapping some crap together for a bullshit release now).

Worst of all, ALL UNIQUE PREVIEWS/PINUPS/WHATEVER IN 1.5 YEARS (after purging misleading duplicates as described above) AMOUNT TO 126 IMAGES. That is all.

To put this into perspective, this is basically what a generic non-noob dev on this site does in a month, but with the staggering difference that such devs have to build scenes and environments to place the characters, and write the dialogue on top of that, while most of this scammer's previews don't require any setup.

This is a full-blown scam, people should stop pretending he is just "milking". Milking is withholding work done to maximize profits. The evidence shows he has virtually no work done to begin with.

If this guy was Russian people would have destroyed him here for this scam. But since he is American and can embellish his bullshit with sweet sounding English fools tend to fall for it, and defend this indefensible scam.
 
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Morah SDG

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What do you guys think'll happen first, Gumdrop putting out an update on this, scheduled or not, or those assholes over at Amity Park finally putting out Episode 6?
 

Morah SDG

Development Consultant & Revision's Supervisor
Game Developer
Feb 10, 2018
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Guys, I'm apparently very dumb and blind: how does one write a review on these forums?
 
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