VN Ren'Py Abandoned Due Process [v0.3.6.0] [kivik]

[kivik]

(Love the concept. And because I care about the concept, I'll try to be detailed and/or critical on evaluating the execution.

Thank you! I definitely welcome critic feedback, it's the only way to know if the game's going in the wrong direction or I'm missing some glaring issues! That said, I may justify certain things as well, so I'll answer them below

First thing I've noticed. I believe the game would benefit from a task setting 'None'.

I'll definitely consider it, however I'll be adding more tasks in future releases to mitigate the hunger issue. I'd like to stay away from offering free meals if possible, as it was the fundamental struggle from the subject's point of view. If they know they'd get a free meal when they get too hungry, the incentive to do any tasks at all may not make sense.

The struggle for me had been to come up with activity ideas, which I've finally got some down this month, and will hopefully be implementing in 0.3.x!

The surprise turn-around was lovely. I'm a big fan of karma. Still, the way I played it, my guy's not exactly in a position to be... well, morally high-standing.

Glad you liked it! Funny you touched on the concept of moral standard - I was just thinking whether I really want to implement a morality meter or not. At the moment I'm thinking not as it typically takes away player choices, if I do, I'd have to have a really cool idea that not only justifies it but relies on the morality concept.

Also, as for the special second subject... I'm not sure what the parameters are for solo masturbation, but she's at zero modesty and resistance, and even her special stat, and when her arousal starts to get up, she takes care of masturbation herself... she's never agreed to do it for me. That's kind of frustrating, and not sure if intentional or not.

Ah yes, you got stuck in the masturbation loop that I noticed when I tinkered with the settings! It can be avoided once (I think) you're more aware of her progression, but it's easier for me to say being as I know all the variables! I'll definitely be keeping an eye on the feedback there to see if it needs adjusting though.

Otherwise, this is still quite interesting. I... would be even less forgiving than the main character, especially as I don't buy for a second the kind of twisted logic that was presented as the real reason... at all.

I really appreciate this feedback actually - I don't think my writing is good enough to really push forward enough the character motivations - but I fully intend on going back to rewriting scenes to make it flow better. The fundamental idea presented is true - but how we arrive there from a narrative perspective can definitely be improved upon!

Oh! More things to talk to Karen about for the first subject. I almost completely ignored her after my first conversation because she didn't look like she had anything interesting to say, and almost totally missed the additional clothing options. Something to make it more evident that some things can only be unlocked by talking to her might be cool! And that's it for now, I'll be keeping an eye on this!)

Absolutely, I'm currently working on a bit more content in that respect. Admittedly since the format is "each subject is a chapter", and my current focus on mechanics, there just isn't a whole lot for the player to do / interact with whilst a subject is being trained. Whilst I know in the long run - as you gain slaves, you'll have more things to do / manage, I do need to flesh out more stuff in the mean time!

 

[Nevermourned]

Thank you! I definitely welcome critic feedback, it's the only way to know if the game's going in the wrong direction or I'm missing some glaring issues! That said, I may justify certain things as well, so I'll answer them below



I'll definitely consider it, however I'll be adding more tasks in future releases to mitigate the hunger issue. I'd like to stay away from offering free meals if possible, as it was the fundamental struggle from the subject's point of view. If they know they'd get a free meal when they get too hungry, the incentive to do any tasks at all may not make sense.

The struggle for me had been to come up with activity ideas, which I've finally got some down this month, and will hopefully be implementing in 0.3.x!




Glad you liked it! Funny you touched on the concept of moral standard - I was just thinking whether I really want to implement a morality meter or not. At the moment I'm thinking not as it typically takes away player choices, if I do, I'd have to have a really cool idea that not only justifies it but relies on the morality concept.




Ah yes, you got stuck in the masturbation loop that I noticed when I tinkered with the settings! It can be avoided once (I think) you're more aware of her progression, but it's easier for me to say being as I know all the variables! I'll definitely be keeping an eye on the feedback there to see if it needs adjusting though.




I really appreciate this feedback actually - I don't think my writing is good enough to really push forward enough the character motivations - but I fully intend on going back to rewriting scenes to make it flow better. The fundamental idea presented is true - but how we arrive there from a narrative perspective can definitely be improved upon!




Absolutely, I'm currently working on a bit more content in that respect. Admittedly since the format is "each subject is a chapter", and my current focus on mechanics, there just isn't a whole lot for the player to do / interact with whilst a subject is being trained. Whilst I know in the long run - as you gain slaves, you'll have more things to do / manage, I do need to flesh out more stuff in the mean time!

(Thank you for your thorough reply! I'm glad I was able to bring up multiple points of interest and/or worth. And I understand your reasoning, and am glad you've got more tasks to bring to bat! More variety/option is always lovely, and some of them could very well solve the issue as I saw it. And agreed really, I can understand them, however there's also something to be said for allowing one to decide whether their character is ultimately moral or not. For example, my character is not moral, and I'd probably play him even fundamentally cruel and domineering if possible. Whether that's 'good' or 'evil' though is probably best understood from an individual perspective... I'll say this though, I'll probably replay with Catherine's 'other' option besides enslavement, just to see how that option, more moral in my mind, goes. Perhaps not immediately, but I'm certainly curious to it.

And to the masturbation loop, indeed. I definitely felt like it was a problem when with no modesty or resistance she still wasn't doing it, however that is my opinion. And thank you, I'm glad you value that feedback! And I think, considering your reply, that it's probably important to go in deeper to the nature of my aggravation and my reasoning for not believing her, even if that was in fact the case. Nobody who hasn't played the game and knows what I'm talking about read the spoiler section please.

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So! That was my spiel on that. I hope it's useful and not too aggressive or the like, I apologize if I overdid it or made it difficult to use. And I am looking forward to having more to do with slaves and slave management! Goodness knows, one of the best parts of acquiring slaves, is actually using them!)

 

[primeumaton]

That was pretty well done. Could use a ton more sexy content and kinks etc, but I was interested the entire time.

 

[kivik]

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Oh wow! Thanks for that insightful analysis and feedback! There be spoilers for stray readers

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[Nevermourned]

Oh wow! Thanks for that insightful analysis and feedback! There be spoilers for stray readers

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(Ah, very glad that you were able to find some use in my perceptions and analysis! And thank you kindly, I do try to be thorough... the wordiness part just kind of comes naturally. Oh! And spoilering again.)

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(In any case! This has been an invigorating conversation. I'm quite glad for your willingness to not only respond to critiquing but also discuss it after the fact. With that said, I don't want to go on too much longer, I know I can be wordy and there's a fine line between providing feedback, and attempting to over-influence production or the like. I think I've done the feedback providing thing thoroughly, and fear I might go into that second area if I keep at it right now. So I'll try to keep myself back and wait for 0.3! Goodness knows one thing I never get tired of, is more sexy girls following my every command!)

 

[Gamer8363]

it seems to be much hard than last time and just wondering if there's a walkthrough made

 

[DaveBp]

Thanks for the update, it's great. I have one issue though, no matter how I feed and train Karen her hunger gets to 100% eventually. Any tips on how to avoid that?

Edit: After looking at it again it seems she doesn't eat the dinner, so goes to sleep hungry and cannot work down the hunger during the day.

Edit2: After eating the Roast Dinner her hunger doesn't drop at all.

 

[Semantics]

Thanks for the update, it's great. I have one issue though, no matter how I feed and train Karen her hunger gets to 100% eventually. Any tips on how to avoid that?

Edit: After looking at it again it seems she doesn't eat the dinner, so goes to sleep hungry and cannot work down the hunger during the day.

Edit2: After eating the Roast Dinner her hunger doesn't drop at all.

The thing is, I think if the subject refuses to do something, they don't get that meal. And Karen starts out completely unwilling to do anything at all in the third timeslot for the first couple days, meaning she gets no dinner at the start. So pretty much you just have to feed her as much as possible in the others and weather it until her Hope goes down.

 

[Pattitto00]

"tiny tits" tag?

 

[Gaboris]

Hmmm... Okay this might interest me, but just in case someone who already played it could help me out a bit first.
What kind of a "Mind Control" content does this have? Is it just about "add this much drug to their food to raise their corruption/brainwash them for the next session" or is it more direct like "take this NOT drug and after that do as I tell you my puppet"?
My gaming time is really limited by now so I gotta know what I'm looking forward to.

 

[Nevermourned]

Hmmm... Okay this might interest me, but just in case someone who already played it could help me out a bit first.
What kind of a "Mind Control" content does this have? Is it just about "add this much drug to their food to raise their corruption/brainwash them for the next session" or is it more direct like "take this NOT drug and after that do as I tell you my puppet"?
My gaming time is really limited by now so I gotta know what I'm looking forward to.

(The mind control method is a hypnotism program, combined with variable training pressures, and the simple power of having them in captivity with control over their only food-source. So a mixture of conventional training and hypnotic programming.

Can't have real direct sexy-time fun with them until after the programming is complete, and right now content outside of the training segment is still unfinished.)

You can blackmail one Character (Celia) but at the moment no "mind control"

(… I think you may be commenting on the wrong game.)

 

[Pattitto00]

(The mind control method is a hypnotism program, combined with variable training pressures, and the simple power of having them in captivity with control over their only food-source. So a mixture of conventional training and hypnotic programming.

Can't have real direct sexy-time fun with them until after the programming is complete, and right now content outside of the training segment is still undeveloped.)


(… I think you may be commenting on the wrong game.)

You are right (too many threads open) XD deleted ... Ty!

 

[Gaboris]

(The mind control method is a hypnotism program, combined with variable training pressures, and the simple power of having them in captivity with control over their only food-source. So a mixture of conventional training and hypnotic programming.

Can't have real direct sexy-time fun with them until after the programming is complete, and right now content outside of the training segment is still unfinished.)

Awww. Too bad. Well I guess I'll give it a try if I get some extra time then.
Thanks for the info.

 

[Nevermourned]

You are right (too many threads open) XD deleted ... Ty!

(Heheh, you are quite welcome, no problem!)

Awww. Too bad. Well I guess I'll give it a try if I get some extra time then.
Thanks for the info.

(You are quite welcome! And I don't know what your specific mind control kink is, however I do recommend keeping an eye on this one if the sexy times are the main issue, as it is pretty well hinted that those will be developed.)

 

[kivik]

"tiny tits" tag?

I prefer "normal size tits"

What kind of a "Mind Control" content does this have?

Totally understand if you want to wait a bit longer before trying it out, although I've put a few things in to reduce the raw grind time so the game could theoretically be finished in a few minutes - if you knew the mechanics already.

Just to laid future plans out a bit for those interested - you condition captives (subjects) by forcing them to do things that grind down their resistance and ultimately receive hypno programming until they become your slave.

The slaves however are still "themselves" and not blank slates - and you'll have opportunities in the future to further mould them in different ways.

 

[Gaboris]

(You are quite welcome! And I don't know what your specific mind control kink is, however I do recommend keeping an eye on this one if the sexy times are the main issue, as it is pretty well hinted that those will be developed.)

Well I guess I prefer the more direct(or more like aggressive) approach where you either seize full control of the other one like a puppet either as a blank doll or just unable to say no(bonus point if they still have conscious reactions, but no control).
The slower corruption approach is nice as well, but those gotta have an almost instant reaction for me.

Sadly stuff like this is pretty rarely done "right" for my taste. Games like Super Powered does it well, but it's an unbearable grind fest, Lab Rats 1(also Take Over since it's practically the same setup) and The Company does corruption well, but runs out of content fast and just becomes "slutty girls don' need no mind control".

It's a bit dark, it's overly specific, but that's porn for ya. Most of my kinks are like that I'm afraid.

The slaves however are still "themselves" and not blank slates - and you'll have opportunities in the future to further mould them in different ways.

Hmmm... Yeah, I'll keep an eye out. This approach might not be my style, but gonna see how it goes later on so just keep up the good work.

 

[Nevermourned]

Well I guess I prefer the more direct(or more like aggressive) approach where you either seize full control of the other one like a puppet either as a blank doll or just unable to say no(bonus point if they still have conscious reactions, but no control).
The slower corruption approach is nice as well, but those gotta have an almost instant reaction for me.

Sadly stuff like this is pretty rarely done "right" for my taste. Games like Super Powered does it well, but it's an unbearable grind fest, Lab Rats 1(also Take Over since it's practically the same setup) and The Company does corruption well, but runs out of content fast and just becomes "slutty girls don' need no mind control".

It's a bit dark, it's overly specific, but that's porn for ya. Most of my kinks are like that I'm afraid.


Hmmm... Yeah, I'll keep an eye out. This approach might not be my style, but gonna see how it goes later on so just keep up the good work.

(Ah, fair enough! I like those games to actually, though I don't think my fetishes are as specific as yours, I've got a bit of an umbrella going on, of which various types of mind control are just one piece in the bigger picture. My kinks are almost all dark though, some exceedingly so. Interesting what one will not only accept but long for in fantasy, and never, ever want to see in the actual world.. sexuality is weird like that.)

 

[kivik]

Well I guess I prefer the more direct(or more like aggressive) approach where you either seize full control of the other one like a puppet either as a blank doll or just unable to say no(bonus point if they still have conscious reactions, but no control).

Hehe, in that case it may not be the game for you! I much prefer the falling than the fallen, and avoid puppet stuff! There will eventually be more "puppet" like stuff later when research and stuff are done and I'll definitely be adding more direct control stuff - but theme wise Due Process is primarily about subtle conversion!

My kinks are almost all dark though, some exceedingly so. Interesting what one will not only accept but long for in fantasy, and never, ever want to see in the actual world.. sexuality is weird like that.)

I think those of us who explore our kinks more tend to be more imaginative and push the envelope a bit more when it comes to sexual gratification. It's definitely got a bit of a primal thing going on - and from my understanding most if not all kinks have something to do with control / power play of some sort - doing stuff that is not normally accepted.

It's good that majority of people I've seen in the MC community understand the difference between fantasy and reality though!

 

[gippermand]

keep going

 

[stcx]

Hehe, in that case it may not be the game for you! I much prefer the falling than the fallen, and avoid puppet stuff! There will eventually be more "puppet" like stuff later when research and stuff are done and I'll definitely be adding more direct control stuff - but theme wise Due Process is primarily about subtle conversion!

Just did a playthrough and enjoyed it, keep up the good work