VN Ren'Py Due to My New Situation, I Have to Corrupt My Friend's Harem! [v0.51] [Warrior Novels]

[YogSothoth1982]

Netori isn't always a power fantasy. Tbh your suggestions sound like someone who only plays harem games and only knows NTR from wiki pages.
Alpha chad NTR villains are probably actually a minority. Ugly bastards is the usual, which a nerdy midget is a nice change from but still in the same vein. NTR fantasies are more regularly based around corruption and cheating rather than power. There's something degrading about a woman being stolen from a decent and good looking guy by an ugly bastard, old man or in this case someone who's just plain less of a man than the victim. That degradation is a big part of the kink.
As for bringing in other girls to help the corruption, that's usually limited to chad, usually surfer chad villains. Think Alansya Chronicles, or to a lesser extend Hero's Party Must Fall for netori. The lesser male villains are usually hyper focused on their victim's girl or girls.
Mind control fits perfectly. Hypno NTR is a thing and it ties into the degradation kink extremely well. You can not only get the girl to do things she'd never do in a setting they absolutely shouldn't be done in, like the classroom scene here, but even completely normalize the behaviour to her so that she's willing to do it again.

Well, I can't say that I play many non-harem games. In fact I haven't played nor I will play NTR (netorare/netorase) games, so all knowledge of them is by reference (and will continue to be like it). The netori, however, may interest me.

I'm unlikely to be interested in this game anyway, the Dev should really change the way the MC and the LIs are going to interact (include, apart from the corruption route or whatever you want to call it, a romantic route with the LIs)

 

[taler]

Alpha chad NTR villains are probably actually a minority. Ugly bastards is the usual, which a nerdy midget is a nice change from but still in the same vein. NTR fantasies are more regularly based around corruption and cheating rather than power. There's something degrading about a woman being stolen from a decent and good looking guy by an ugly bastard, old man or in this case someone who's just plain less of a man than the victim. That degradation is a big part of the kink.
Mind control fits perfectly. Hypno NTR is a thing and it ties into the degradation kink extremely well. You can not only get the girl to do things she'd never do in a setting they absolutely shouldn't be done in, like the classroom scene here, but even completely normalize the behaviour to her so that she's willing to do it again.

That just sounds like a netorare fan... Everything you just said sounds like it's designed for cuckolds and to appeal to them. Haven't played Alansya Chronicles but it literally looks like a femc netorare. That's exactly what I mean in terms of criticism. So to you I guess a netori is basically the same thing as a "regular" NTR game, it's just from a different POV and there is no word for an actual lover stealing game for people who like doing that.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

That just sounds like a netorare fan... Everything you just said sounds like it's designed for cuckolds and to appeal to them. Haven't played Alansya Chronicles but it literally looks like a femc netorare. That's exactly what I mean in terms of criticism. So to you I guess a netori is basically the same thing as a "regular" NTR game, it's just from a different POV and there is no word for an actual lover stealing game for people who like doing that.

Netori is many things, it can be about stealing lovers as a chad or it can be just about stealing lovers. Personally I don't like netorare unless it's FMC, Reverse Isekai Elf Girl being my favourite netorare game.
I like netori when it's written as a harem-esque power fantasy, like Away From Home or Grandma's House. I also like netori when it's written like a typical netorare story like Hero's Party Must Fall, which does take some harem characteristics.
This game plays more like a netori doujin. With doujins the tropes tend to overlap between netori and netorare a lot more. You don't see it too often with AVNs unless they're actually netorare which is why I like it here. This game is more about the corruption and stealing kink than a power fantasy.

 

[taler]

Netori is many things, it can be about stealing lovers as a chad or it can be just about stealing lovers. Personally I don't like netorare unless it's FMC, Reverse Isekai Elf Girl being my favourite netorare game.
I like netori when it's written as a harem-esque power fantasy, like Away From Home or Grandma's House. I also like netori when it's written like a typical netorare story like Hero's Party Must Fall, which does take some harem characteristics.
This game plays more like a netori doujin. With doujins the tropes tend to overlap between netori and netorare a lot more. You don't see it too often with AVNs unless they're actually netorare which is why I like it here. This game is more about the corruption and stealing kink than a power fantasy.

From your name you sound like a subby guy, which is fine ofc, but that informs how I see your argument. The issue is that the 2 variants of netori sound like they appeal to 2 completely different markets and shouldn't even be part of the same genre. Any netorare-like is kinda appalling to people who like netori because it's the opposite of netorare.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

From your name you sound like a subby guy

I picked that name because I suck at naming things and it made me laugh. Every single protagonist I play I name Big Dick Horsecock.
For the record I hate femdom, anal, I'm not into the mommy fetish and anyone who tries to shove something up my ass is going to find my boot in their's.
Be careful when you assume, normally when you assume you make an ass of u and me, this time you just made me laugh so good on ya I guess
As I said, I dislike netorare. I like netori pretty much no matter what dynamic it's written by. With Away From Home and Grandma's House I like the dominant dynamic where you're playing someone who's such a better man and lover than the cucks that women pretty well flock to them. Love those power fantasies. I also like netori where you're playing a dominant chad who's a straight bastard, that steals the cucks women and horrifically humiliates them, like with Hero's Party Must fall. I even like netori like this which subverts those tropes and has a stereotypical NTR victim use underhanded methods to level the playing field and steal the manlier cucks women.
So long as I'm not playing as the cuck I enjoy NTR, whether it be FMC cheating or netori.

For what it's worth I do usually prefer the alpha male netori games, like the 3 I mentioned above. As I said in my previous comment though this game appeals to a different dynamic within the fetish. It's more focused on the corruption and degradation of the LIs, where they're corrupted into unsavoury situations, where a man less than what they're used to steals them away from their harem MC boyfriend. It's kinda similar to the dynamic of an ugly bastard netori game like Cohabitation, except the bastard MC isn't horrifically ugly here.

 

[Mori Enjoyer]

this thread is cursed

 

[taler]

I picked that name because I suck at naming things and it made me laugh. Every single protagonist I play I name Big Dick Horsecock.
For the record I hate femdom, anal, I'm not into the mommy fetish and anyone who tries to shove something up my ass is going to find my boot in their's.
Be careful when you assume, normally when you assume you make an ass of u and me, this time you just made me laugh so good on ya I guess
As I said, I dislike netorare. I like netori pretty much no matter what dynamic it's written by. With Away From Home and Grandma's House I like the dominant dynamic where you're playing someone who's such a better man and lover than the cucks that women pretty well flock to them. Love those power fantasies. I also like netori where you're playing a dominant chad who's a straight bastard, that steals the cucks women and horrifically humiliates them, like with Hero's Party Must fall. I even like netori like this which subverts those tropes and has a stereotypical NTR victim use underhanded methods to level the playing field and steal the manlier cucks women.
So long as I'm not playing as the cuck I enjoy NTR, whether it be FMC cheating or netori.

For what it's worth I do usually prefer the alpha male netori games, like the 3 I mentioned above. As I said in my previous comment though this game appeals to a different dynamic within the fetish. It's more focused on the corruption and degradation of the LIs, where they're corrupted into unsavoury situations, where a man less than what they're used to steals them away from their harem MC boyfriend. It's kinda similar to the dynamic of an ugly bastard netori game like Cohabitation, except the bastard MC isn't horrifically ugly here.

Nice blog lol. I guess it's good for you to clarify though it doesn't really speak to the topic at hand which is what type of audience the dev wants his game to appeal to. Would you agree that ATM it's kinda appealing to netorare people, which is weird IMO considering the advertised content and the expectations of most people in the thread.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I picked that name because I suck at naming things and it made me laugh. Every single protagonist I play I name Big Dick Horsecock.
For the record I hate femdom, anal, I'm not into the mommy fetish and anyone who tries to shove something up my ass is going to find my boot in their's.
Be careful when you assume, normally when you assume you make an ass of u and me, this time you just made me laugh so good on ya I guess
As I said, I dislike netorare. I like netori pretty much no matter what dynamic it's written by. With Away From Home and Grandma's House I like the dominant dynamic where you're playing someone who's such a better man and lover than the cucks that women pretty well flock to them. Love those power fantasies. I also like netori where you're playing a dominant chad who's a straight bastard, that steals the cucks women and horrifically humiliates them, like with Hero's Party Must fall. I even like netori like this which subverts those tropes and has a stereotypical NTR victim use underhanded methods to level the playing field and steal the manlier cucks women.
So long as I'm not playing as the cuck I enjoy NTR, whether it be FMC cheating or netori.

For what it's worth I do usually prefer the alpha male netori games, like the 3 I mentioned above. As I said in my previous comment though this game appeals to a different dynamic within the fetish. It's more focused on the corruption and degradation of the LIs, where they're corrupted into unsavoury situations, where a man less than what they're used to steals them away from their harem MC boyfriend. It's kinda similar to the dynamic of an ugly bastard netori game like Cohabitation, except the bastard MC isn't horrifically ugly here.

I may like revenge stories, but while I might find it satisfying to humiliate or demean a girl in that kind of story, I don't find the sexual part appealing at all. Humiliating the LI, putting her down in front of her friends and other people, making her feel miserable, all fine, as long as the sexual component is non-existent. Certainly for this reason it's difficult for me to be interested in a porn game where the MC has to take revenge on women.

In any case, since this game is about taking revenge on a guy, I have tried to see how it is, without going beyond the prologue. Also, if there is no romance, I may never really get interested in the game.

 

[taler]

I may like revenge stories, but while I might find it satisfying to humiliate or demean a girl in that kind of story, I don't find the sexual part appealing at all. Humiliating the LI, putting her down in front of her friends and other people, making her feel miserable, all fine, as long as the sexual component is non-existent. Certainly for this reason it's difficult for me to be interested in a porn game where the MC has to take revenge on women.

In any case, since this game is about taking revenge on a guy, I have tried to see how it is, without going beyond the prologue. Also, if there is no romance, I may never really get interested in the game.

It just sounds like you're better served by reading a romance VN. There are so many where you fix a girl's problems and she falls in love with you, you go through drama together and come out the otherside in a loving relationship. My favorite is White Album 2, 10/10. I don't really get how girl stealing fits into your preferences.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

Nice blog lol. I guess it's good for you to clarify though it doesn't really speak to the topic at hand which is what type of audience the dev wants his game to appeal to. Would you agree that ATM it's kinda appealing to netorare people, which is weird IMO considering the advertised content and the expectations of most people in the thread.

I mean I guess it's appealing to NTR fans in a way, in that it's more like a netorare story told from the villains perspective than how the netori stories are usually told in the west. A lot, not all but a lot of netorare fans wouldn't like it though because it's not playing as the cuck.
It really resembles a Japanese netori story though. It's a lot slower paced and less aggressive and rapey than say of Secret Sorrow of the Siblings but the netori dynamic is pretty similar. So maybe appealing less to netorare fans and maybe more to classic Japanese netori fans, which does overlap with classic netorare tropes more than it does in the west.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

It just sounds like you're better served by reading a romance VN. There are so many where you fix a girl's problems and she falls in love with you, you go through drama together and come out the otherside in a loving relationship. My favorite is White Album 2, 10/10. I don't really get how girl stealing fits into your preferences.

Actually, to revenge of Noriko (or whatever hid name is) you don't need to humiliate or degrade the LIs. The one who has to be degraded and humiliated is him. Personally, in my revenge, I wouldn't settle for taking away his LIs, my intention would be to destroy everything he has: his family, his reputation, his studies, leaving him literally with nothing (that his family disowns him, that he is expelled from his studies, that his reputation is so damaged that nothing and no one can make him recover it...)

If you add to this that the MC manages to make the LIs fall in love with him and come to hate Noriko (or whatever his name is) then much better. That they completely disown him and publicly assure everyone who will listen that starting a Relationship with Noriko was the worst mistake of their lives.

This would be a game I would be interested in playing.

 

[Sir Weshmish]

It's a decent game but the mind-control is really ruining the fun of it. MC shown to be this smart and cunning kind of a guy who refuses father's tech. Still the dude relies on his power to get easy with the girls which really is removing the fun of corruption. Slow burn corruption would be better.

 

[taler]

I mean I guess it's appealing to NTR fans in a way, in that it's more like a netorare story told from the villains perspective than how the netori stories are usually told in the west. A lot, not all but a lot of netorare fans wouldn't like it though because it's not playing as the cuck.
It really resembles a Japanese netori story though. It's a lot slower paced and less aggressive and rapey than say of Secret Sorrow of the Siblings but the netori dynamic is pretty similar. So maybe appealing less to netorare fans and maybe more to classic Japanese netori fans, which does overlap with classic netorare tropes more than it does in the west.

I'll defer to you on the NTR hentai tradition since you sound more knowledgable but to me it sounds like it's a specific trend within hentai. This webtoon is netori similar to what I suggested:

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The setup is also pretty similar to this story where the MC gets cucked early but then he takes revenge.

It's up to the dev to clarify if he has thoughts on it.

 

[taler]

I was looking up other netori games and I came across this thread:

https://f95zone.to/threads/complete-netori-games-masterlist.104538/

That OP also describes netori as a powertrip over the other guy, so it seems like my conception of netori is pretty common.

 

[bobdillan]

Sloppy seconds, The game.

 

[Omae wa shinda]

Play as the sidekick this time and fuck the harem!

 

[MakeMeTea]

Does «corruption» tag means that girls in this game are falling to evil, or this is another one moral degeneration title?

 

[ugz2]

Are these all the girls? Introducing one that Naoki likes but the protagonist starts to get his claws into her first could be cool. You could probably explore some different scenarios with that, and it could act as an intermediate with Naoki knowingly getting a girl "stolen", sharing the protagonist's experience and making his growing jealousy and insecurity worse, and before fully revealing the corruption of the girlfriends. Could also pacify some of this "used goods" stuff without departing from the theme.

 

[Chris2041]

Sloppy seconds, The game.

its not about the reward is about of revenge XD

 

[Chris2041]

Are these all the girls? Introducing one that Naoki likes but the protagonist starts to get his claws into her first could be cool. You could probably explore some different scenarios with that, and it could act as an intermediate with Naoki knowingly getting a girl "stolen", sharing the protagonist's experience and making his growing jealousy and insecurity worse, and before fully revealing the corruption of the girlfriends. Could also pacify some of this "used goods" stuff without departing from the theme.

yeah that idea would be very cool im going to send your comment to the dev discord i have your blessing ?