VN Ren'Py Echoes of Deception [v0.40] [MadKoala]

[arbin]

i just finished the games new content, its good good text epseicailly and arts but have seen some bad bad rendering mistakes on Diana Gential area and that is really bad for this game, also content for 6 months of wait is not enough and i like the new added lesbian content but do not overdo it she is still a housewife with son and husband so be a bit realisticly and some of the new content that is bad and makes not any sence, like instead of adding a little content with her police partner he adds content for a charakter she sees only once thats just dumb and this shower repair scene the first option must be removed completetly she should head straight to jasons shower and never encounter repair man its so scetchy and stolen idea from other games that are OTHER games, i think if these continues in these weird direction game is gona die have seen this not once stop this ntr shitt here there is more than enough ntr in others games do not bother with this weird things, the game should be more like the beginning i like it a lot more and made a lot more sense instead of just spawning random NPC charakters all over that try to hit on her hate this so much, yes some exhib scenes are cool but not go further like this and more jason jason and diana are the nr 1 here.

 

[Davidleene]

Will she cheat? I'm yet to play

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Seeing as we are talking about a female MC, this is defacto not NTR, even if the focus is on her cheating on their SO with many other guys, it still would not be NTR if we don't play any POV of her SO. That said, I think the focus should be equally distributed between loyal wife, cheating wife with few select people and slutty wife involving many more people. All these genre together attracts a wide audience and they are not mutually exclusive from each other like NTR/Vanilla is.

Only focusing on romance in a female MC game is extremely niche within the adult game community and will not be liked or even played by many people. The most popular games, when it comes to types of MC, is Male MC romance or Female MC slut. You will see majority games follow either one or the other with some variations/optional content because that's what most people wanna play here.

So it would be stupid to not expand on the slut content of this game, if the dev is interested in making a game people actually wanna play that is.

Regardless of your position on NTR - subsequent posts are asking for that exact same thing... I guess everyone else is wrong if we are following the Rogers Rules of Order regarding the 'proper' definition of NTR, right?

Now - onto the actual difference of opinion.

You said: I think the focus should be equally distributed between loyal wife, cheating wife with few select people - I agree

You also said: slutty wife involving many more people - I disagree with MANY.

The things you do not address in your desire for a slutty wife path involving many more people are:

The dev needs to change the trajectory of his story, since there is no evidence in the existing content that the female MC - Diana - is supposed to evolve into a slut who services many more people on any path.

Each new person that the dev spends time adding to the story (by new - I mean people who were added to the story to support your desired slut path) takes time away from developing other characters and relationships in the story.

That is a given - there is only so much 'screen' time in a release for the characters present.

If the dev tries to advance the story at the current pace while maintaining the current mix of content with the existing characters, then adds in additional men/men and women (slut path), the time between releases must grow to accommodate the change to how the dev is creating/developing his story.

Since SS is still not available as an option to support the dev, I joined as a Patreon.

When I read through the comments of the last year, I saw no one pining for a slut path.

What I Did see was $ supporters who were concerned about the growth of time between releases - something that Must happen if the dev was to implement your desired slut path while maintaining the pacing of the story and all its current relationships.

Have you joined the dev's Patreon and persuaded your friends who feel the same way to do so?

Showing the dev support before telling him he needs to change his story, is one way to at least gain come credibility and show intent to back your desires with $ support after all.

Otherwise, I equate this request to that of a hobo complaining to the manager of a restaurant that the food he is taking from the kitchen is insufficient and does not meet his refined tastes, so the manager needs to change their menu to better suit the hobo and continue to give the food to the hobo for free.

What RL restaurant manager is going to take advice from this 'food critic' over that of the customers who are actually paying for their meals?

Just saying...

Cheers!!

 

[MixQQ]

Regardless of your position on NTR - subsequent posts are asking for that exact same thing... I guess everyone else is wrong if we are following the Rogers Rules of Order regarding the 'proper' definition of NTR, right?

Now - onto the actual difference of opinion.

You said: I think the focus should be equally distributed between loyal wife, cheating wife with few select people - I agree

You also said: slutty wife involving many more people - I disagree with MANY.

The things you do not address in your desire for a slutty wife path involving many more people are:

The dev needs to change the trajectory of his story, since there is no evidence in the existing content that the female MC - Diana - is supposed to evolve into a slut who services many more people on any path.

Each new person that the dev spends time adding to the story (by new - I mean people who were added to the story to support your desired slut path) takes time away from developing other characters and relationships in the story.

That is a given - there is only so much 'screen' time in a release for the characters present.

If the dev tries to advance the story at the current pace while maintaining the current mix of content with the existing characters, then adds in additional men/men and women (slut path), the time between releases must grow to accommodate the change to how the dev is creating/developing his story.

Since SS is still not available as an option to support the dev, I joined as a Patreon.

When I read through the comments of the last year, I saw no one pining for a slut path.

What I Did see was $ supporters who were concerned about the growth of time between releases - something that Must happen if the dev was to implement your desired slut path while maintaining the pacing of the story and all its current relationships.

Have you joined the dev's Patreon and persuaded your friends who feel the same way to do so?

Showing the dev support before telling him he needs to change his story, is one way to at least gain come credibility and show intent to back your desires with $ support after all.

Otherwise, I equate this request to that of a hobo complaining to the manager of a restaurant that the food he is taking from the kitchen is insufficient and does not meet his refined tastes, so the manager needs to change their menu to better suit the hobo and continue to give the food to the hobo for free.

What RL restaurant manager is going to take advice from this 'food critic' over that of the customers who are actually paying for their meals?

Just saying...

Cheers!!

can't image her as a slut. For the whole game she give dom/confident vibe, turning her into one need a drastic changes in her personality

 

[love sophia]

V 0.5 is moving. That's fine

 

[PaxHadrian17]

can't image her as a slut. For the whole game she give dom/confident vibe, turning her into one need a drastic changes in her personality

I agree.

She is portrayed as a confident, driven woman who is being entrusted with a very important undercover assignment.

I can see the stress of this assignment influencing her decision-making process - so that she is more willing to take/enjoy comfort and intimacy with a few other people.. especially if her husband is not there for her the way he usually was in the past.

I can see her being faced with increasing moral dilemmas (like the relationship with Marco) - how far is she willing to go to get him to trust her and get the 'inside scoop' on the big bosses' organization.

If the story stays true to how she is portrayed and there is no jumping the shark - Diana is mysteriously slipped XYZ drug so that she is now a different person with different morals - then I don't see a place for a slut path involving many other people.

I have seen a few stories with a female MC where the dev has invoked the 'magic' of the slut path, but the storytelling has broken down and lost its cohesion/no longer makes sense.

I strongly prefer adult stories where I am treated like an adult and there is a reason for intimacy (husband/wife), or it develops naturally from interactions with a few people - all as the story plays out.

If the goal is to see a woman being made airtight, do you wait for the year+ for a story to develop to this point (and if there is any Real attempt at storytelling, then this is not early AVN content, so what could be 2+ years) or do you just go to PornHub or one of its equivalents?

After the added work the dev needed to do so that he could continue with Patreon $ support, I am looking forward to the current trajectory of this story - and there is plenty going on for the potential of more sexy time between Diana and a few other people.

Cheers!!

 

[Power Broker]

What RL restaurant manager is going to take advice from this 'food critic' over that of the customers who are actually paying for their meals?

A good manager shouldn't ask about the source of a criticism, but about the content and validity and, most importantly, if listening to it advances his business and aligns with his idea / vision of his restaurant. The assumption that only paying customers should have a say is quite narrow minded. In my experience, games where paying customers can make crucial decisions tend to turn into a boring and uninspired mess with average storylines; and games where the developer has an idea of what he wants and takes feedback from all sources without trying to please everybody, tend to do better.

That said, I agree that a slut path with many partners is boring and counterproductive for all the reasons you mentioned. I also prefer well crafted relationships between very few characters instead of gangbang stories. Let's see where this game goes.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

A good manager shouldn't ask about the source of a criticism, but about the content and validity and, most importantly, if listening to it advances his business and aligns with his idea / vision of his restaurant. The assumption that only paying customers should have a say is quite narrow minded. In my experience, games where paying customers can make crucial decisions tend to turn into a boring and uninspired mess with average storylines; and games where the developer has an idea of what he wants and takes feedback from all sources without trying to please everybody, tend to do better.

That said, I agree that a slut path with many partners is boring and counterproductive for all the reasons you mentioned. I also prefer well crafted relationships between very few characters instead of gangbang stories. Let's see where this game goes.

I understand your perspective, but I chose my wording carefully.

I said: 'take advice from this 'food critic' over that of the customers.'

I am not invalidating anyone's opinion, but I believe that those who are willing to support a dev with their $ are the first place a dev should go to get feedback - having skin in the game should mean something.

Beyond this, though:

If a dev wants to put out two polls, for example - one on their Patreon, gated at some tier, and another on F95 - it's all good.

Feedback from different audiences can help a dev in understanding how intended content, be it storyline/renders/animations/fetishes is being received and what is not working.

It's not uncommon for new devs, particularly early in a creation, to solicit broader feedback, especially if they are less familiar with the 'likes/dislikes/desired fetishes' some would have re: certain content.

I want this story to be told, as the dev intends, all the way through until its intended end.

From what I've seen, the early changes have moved this AVN back well within the current 'lines' of Patreon's TOS.

I know a number of people were impatient for the changes to be implemented and for the dev to get back to advancing the story.

I'm hoping that the next rev, v 0.50, will show that the dev is back on track re: development time for the quantity and quality of the story we will receive.

Cheers!!

 

[Obentou]

Sheril seems to be a bit bugged. I've rejected her at every turn and still she somehow ends up in MC's bed.

 

[MixQQ]

Sheril seems to be a bit bugged. I've rejected her at every turn and still she somehow ends up in MC's bed.

she was always bugged, even in previous update, looks like dev doesn't know how to fix that forced lesbian content

 

[Bishop Robert]

A good manager shouldn't ask about the source of a criticism, but about the content and validity and, most importantly, if listening to it advances his business and aligns with his idea / vision of his restaurant. The assumption that only paying customers should have a say is quite narrow minded. In my experience, games where paying customers can make crucial decisions tend to turn into a boring and uninspired mess with average storylines; and games where the developer has an idea of what he wants and takes feedback from all sources without trying to please everybody, tend to do better.

Exactly

 

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Discover a gripping tale of secrets, suspense, and shadows in 'Echoes of Deception.' Follow Diana, a determined detective, as she unravels a web of intrigue that threatens to engulf her life. With every choice, you shape the story and guide Diana through a world filled with danger, deception, romance and unexpected alliances.

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[iratam]

I don't know how I missed this one but I'm getting it now.
I will come back to how it was... Pretty sure I won't be disappointed !!!

 

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[Maxh]

You didn't fix the pillow problem on Android... I can't click the pillow

 

[Devilrebel]

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Sneak Peek #1 (v0.50)
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Diana sat down on the edge of the tub, watching Marco as he settled in, his leg resting on the side. She couldn't help but feel a pang of sympathy for him, despite everything that was at stake.

 

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Sneak Peek #1 (v0.50)
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Diana sat down on the edge of the tub, watching Marco as he settled in, his leg resting on the side. She couldn't help but feel a pang of sympathy for him, despite everything that was at stake.

"This isn't a beach this is a bathtub!"

 

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Sneak Peek #1 (v0.50)
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Diana sat down on the edge of the tub, watching Marco as he settled in, his leg resting on the side. She couldn't help but feel a pang of sympathy for him, despite everything that was at stake.

First time I ever clicked on one of your posts and felt threatened. Man that's one Angry Looking Koala!

 

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Diana sat down on the edge of the tub, watching Marco as he settled in, his leg resting on the side. She couldn't help but feel a pang of sympathy for him, despite everything that was at stake.

This is a terrific plot twist!