JJJ84

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Switching Protagonists :rolleyes:

indeed it was really disappointing
lol I'm guessing you haven't played any games with multiple protagonists tag?

Not saying I'm necessarily a fan of that tag, but if you're so heavily against that you're gonna miss out on some great games; such as Desert Stalker by ZetanDS.
That game, by having second playable protagonist brought opportunity to explore a lot more of the lore, more characters and new locations which might have been likely limited a bit by its primary protagonist.

Dev is doing the same thing here.

Eliot (MC) can't literally be everywhere.
So places he may not be able to go for whatever reason?
He sends Silas on his behalf.

You may not like it, but for some games, a secondary protagonist may be needed/helpful to flesh out the story and the world more.
 

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lol I'm guessing you haven't played any games with multiple protagonists tag?

Not saying I'm necessarily a fan of that tag, but if you're so heavily against that you're gonna miss out on some great games; such as Desert Stalker by ZetanDS.
That game, by having second playable protagonist brought opportunity to explore a lot more of the lore, more characters and new locations which might have been likely limited a bit by its primary protagonist.

Dev is doing the same thing here.

Eliot (MC) can't literally be everywhere.
So places he may not be able to go for whatever reason?
He sends Silas on his behalf.

You may not like it, but for some games, a secondary protagonist may be needed/helpful to flesh out the story and the world more.
at the same time, game is mostly kinetic, so why give the power of protagonist to silas, when we could just as easily watch the events that happened to silas in a variety of ways that dont relegate him to MC. Considering some of the renders during Silas as MC are third person or bird eye view of Silas himself, it could easily have just been Silas reporting his mission while giving the reader/player visuals. The only reason Silas should be a protagonist is if the player can make Silas make choices against the Main Protags orders and wants. otherwise we are just watching Silas do what he was told to do by the actual protagonist. side characters get chapters and screen time, all the time without being consider protags.

personally i dont care what dev calls him, but if we are being honest about it, for now, the people against it seem to have a point. which only last until silas actually influences game play via choices that actually effect gameplay
 

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so why give the power of protagonist to silas, when we could just as easily watch the events that happened to silas in a variety of ways that dont relegate him to MC. Considering some of the renders during Silas as MC are third person or bird eye view of Silas himself, it could easily have just been Silas reporting his mission while giving the reader/player visuals.
Oh I dunno, perhaps the dev just wanted to actually show Silas' story fully (with him actually roaming the places he goes to, describing fully what he sees and feels), instead of merely showing highlights/summary like you described in your "reporting mission" method?
Have you actually even thought about that? lol

The only reason Silas should be a protagonist is if the player can make Silas make choices against the Main Protags orders and wants. otherwise we are just watching Silas do what he was told to do by the actual protagonist. side characters get chapters and screen time, all the time without being consider protags.
:FacePalm: where are you even getting this so-called "logic" from?
Silas is not a puppet of MC, he's MC's apprentice.

And while Silas believes MC and follows MC's orders, it is actually possible to shape him to take actions that MC may not necessarily take if good choice options are given (such as Zaton & Shani in Desert Stalker who are the primary & secondary protagonist in that game. You can shape Shani to have a bit of opposite morals to Zaton if the player chooses to).

So such a thing is not impossible.
Perhaps Silas may take an action in the future that MC would not take in same situation.

And what even are you referring to with the whole "watching Silas do what he was told to do by the actual protagonist." All MC gave to him in terms of instructions were "Go and spy on Falongor" and merely saying "If you get caught, I can't acknowledge you." (or something along those lines).
MC basically gave no instructions as to how Silas would go about his methods.

personally i dont care what dev calls him, but if we are being honest about it, for now, the people against it seem to have a point. which only last until silas actually influences game play via choices that actually effect gameplay
Disagree, cause I'll say this using example from Desert Stalker once again.
Yes, that game has choices (tons of choices actually), but regardless of how player chooses in terms of actions of secondary Protagonist Shani during her content, even if her actions contradict/go against what players have chosen against her father/mentor Zaton or not, it doesn't influence Zaton's arc as the primary main character, at least in major way.

So in the end, it's gonna depend on how the dev implements choices in the future Silas content.

Honestly, seeing how some folks are upset about this makes it seem like they think Silas is undermining Eliot (Primary MC of Elleria 1) or something, when that's not even the case :HideThePain:
 
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where are you even getting this so-called "logic" from?
Silas is not a puppet of MC, he's MC's apprentice.
lol, i dont remember calling Silas a puppet, but you are right he totally is. like all good sycophant apprentices who have zero autonomy and serve as their masters shadow. doing that in the night in which the master can not do during the day. i dont see a hand up his ass, but the main MC is certainly pulling his strings.

logic shmogic
 

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So in the end, it's gonna depend on how the dev implements choices in the future Silas content.

Honestly, seeing how some folks are upset about this makes it seem like they think Silas is undermining Eliot (Primary MC of Elleria 1) or something, when that's not even the case :HideThePain:
I'm not really a fan of Multi-protag, as a self-inserter it can get problematic inside my mind, but I'm sure I saw somewhere that Silas will not be interfering with Eliot's LIs (romantically or sexually), so I don't have a problem with following along with Silas for a while and exploring and seeing other things in the world.
 
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I'm not really a fan of Multi-protag, as a self-inserter it can get problematic inside my mind, but I'm sure I saw somewhere that Silas will not be interfering with Eliot's LIs (romantically or sexually), so I don't have a problem with following along with Silas for a while and exploring and seeing other things in the world.
Neither am I (a fan of multi-protagonist tag), and I'm not saying that I'm advocating for that for all the games out there.
But as long as the game makes it clear which character is clearly the primary focus, I have no issues with it if the dev decides to have multi-protagonists.

Examples with Desert Stalker:

- Desert Stalker:
Primary Protagonist = Zaton (about 80% of that game's content focus), who is a male character
Secondary Protagonist = Shani (roughly about 20% of that game's content focus), who is a female character (apprentice, daughter and later LI of Zaton)

Now, with this game:

- Elleria 1:
Primary Protagonist = Eliot (about 98% of that game's content focus), who is a male character
Secondary Protagonist = Silas (currently about 2% of that game's content focus, though I guess it will increase with future DLC content), who is a male character (apprentice of Eliot)

Now with Desert Stalker, just because I play as Shani for 20% of the time, it doesn't mean I'm weirded out by doing so, cause I know for lion's share of the game I'll be playing as Zaton.
Not to mention there's exploration and additional lore obtained through Shani content.

It's same with Elleria situation between Eliot & Silas.

It just looks like people are complaining with something which isn't even a big issue.
 

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Not bad, but I'd truly like to know why the protagonist (so our avatar in this world) has to be such a dickhead (and not in the sexual sense) all the time - "My way or the highway!"...seriously, calm down dude, your girls mean well and yet you are brusk and stubborn as if your life depends on it!
 

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Not bad, but I'd truly like to know why the protagonist (so our avatar in this world) has to be such a dickhead (and not in the sexual sense) all the time - "My way or the highway!"...seriously, calm down dude, your girls mean well and yet you are brusk and stubborn as if your life depends on it!
His life does indeed depend on it. Also, he is misunderstood, and secondly, not many obviously and clearly comprehend his character, what he is meant to represent, or his depth. He is what he NEEDS to be.

1st point. Eliot has SEVERE PTSD. He is a hard honed war veteran. Did you ever meet a person with war PTSD and do you know how it affects them? Take that into your calculating factor.

2nd. Hunted by regrets, mistakes, and mass slaughter. He is a broken man. Such men and women don't give a shit about what other people think on them, when they know nothing about them or didn't see half of what they did.

3rd. Take attention towards the ending of Book 1, and you'll see he gradually and slowly relents. He allows himself to do whatever The One needs / wants, and allows him to take control.

He isn't unreasonable or stupid. You can see it in statement when he tells: "I'll leave the judgment of what is right and wrong to my betters, seemingly my betters would be you in this case." when he speaks to Amynth.

He is what ne needs to be in long story short, simple as that. Nothing is so shallow as to be just "Oh ass" no. Even when majority of people IRL are assholes, we have reasons we are deemed or percieved assholes. But people don't give a shit as to why. And no one cares, why would they. This is fair.

But it doesn't beat the fact and point I told you.
 

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(... by having second playable protagonist brought opportunity to explore a lot more of the lore, more characters and new locations which might have been likely limited a bit by its primary protagonist.

Dev is doing the same thing here.

Eliot (MC) can't literally be everywhere.
So places he may not be able to go for whatever reason?
He sends Silas on his behalf.

You may not like it, but for some games, a secondary protagonist may be needed/helpful to flesh out the story and the world more.
Since some people like to identify with the MC of a novel, what if the secondary MC has a LI as well? What happens if both MCs cross paths with the same LI? Is this considered a sort of "self-inflicted NTR"? :ROFLMAO:
 
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Since some people like to identify with the MC of a novel, what if the secondary MC has a LI as well? What happens if both MCs cross paths with the same LI? Is this considered a sort of "self-inflicted NTR"? :ROFLMAO:
That's kinda funny. But not gonna happen. Starting Book 2, Silas can be skipped... you're given a fair choice. Go through the background story etc with him, or don't.

And he only interacts with women Eliot doesn't in such a way. But yeah, funny but no. Insert we don't do that here meme.
 
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