VN Ren'Py Completed Emi - The Long Road Home [v1.0] [CellStudios]

[ashcatch]

What is the/your definition of harem?
Mine is probably a group of woman who knowingly share man.
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refers to domestic spaces that are reserved for the women of the house in a Muslim family.
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, an animal group consisting of one or two males, a number of females, and their offspring

In visual novels/porn games what most people think a harem is girls with one man, or for opposite it’s reverse harem. if there’s more than one man then that’s ntr. I don’t know about you but I don’t like sharing with another man, not my cup of tea

 

[FaceCrap]

oh gawd, the whine brigade in full force.

Think about this angle. MC in the Cabin has a sister, said sister gets to meet Emi, they get to talking... bam, said sister suddenly gets to to see MC in a whole different light and starts thinking 'what if...' and exit Emi... purpose fulfilled

I for one was glad to find the Emi games. And since she made a brief appearance in the Cabin when MC used the laptop, it's clear she's part of the family and it's only logical she'll turn up in the Cabin at some point for a visit.

Yes, visit... as in temporary, since she doesn't live there...and it also obviously happens with a purpose, like influencing the mindset of said sister

 

[tryit4]

I really hope we get more stories of Emi and the MC. I enjoy just the 2 of them together.

 

[Everilld]

I hope we will get some more content with Sally the waitress in the future.

 

[WaltS]

I hope we will get some more content with Sally the waitress in the future.

Seconded. MC could pass the time w/ her as long as Emi is at the cabin.

 

[varkatzas666]

Very short,but good, thx dev

 

[lilili1995]

Emi has a LI point in the Cabin game, so why did this game turn into an NTR game for me? The biggest drawback of having the same female protagonist across different games is precisely this. I don’t understand why they had to include Eve and give her a route. As someone who has played both games and dislikes NTR, I feel extremely conflicted.

 

[XV71]

emi already wants to cuck this mc after only being in 1 update of the cabin what a fucking shame

 

[NebulousShooter]

Devs prostituting themselves for a quick buck, even though it rarely works historically in the long run. I hope it was worth it to throw the trust down the drain.

 

[bobdillan]

Who's all that for though?

Like the buildup and way it's been done isn't for harem fans, if anything it turns them off playing.

As you can see the perception here:


I myself am not touching this devs games at all, until there is a clear and concise answer (which probably means once the games are actually finished).

I'll end with something I heard the Internets residential king of bald (asmongold) say (quoting someone else though):

"If it doesn't enhance the game, why is it there?"

None of this enhances the game for the core audience (assuming it's harem/incest/vanilla), not only that, it is actively detracting and causing concern and well bullshit.

O and you have that point about how you have removed incest LIs from either game because of the two MCs. (if it was just one then you'd have more incest LIs) Which actively detracts not enhances. Want Aunt LI? nope that's for the other MC, Cousin? nope other MC.

Or you do get Aunt LI, but now for the other MC your cousin is fucking your mom... which many would consider those 3 letters. (because it's an incest game) It's a net loss scenario for the assumed demographics.

Only way it enhances the game is well... if the demographic that's being focused on isn't the one I'm assuming and instead 3 letters or sharing/swinging demographic. Then it certainly does enhance the game for those audiences.

The solution to not have NTR/sharing, is to simply not play games with it.

Nice attempt at cope though.

O, I wasn't arguing, more discussing. I had assumed you were mostly in agreement.

Nor did I think either of the posts I was quoting were disagreeing.

Beyond "Who's all that for though?" is just me writing down my personal thoughts, not me disagreeing with you. (that and explaining the reasoning for those that may not fully understand the issue).


yeah, the only good cameo, is when it's a shout-out to a decent game that's in the same genre.

i.e. they appear briefly as a "O hi" and then leave. Nothing sexual at all.

One game that I think does this well is "That New Teacher" where they just have a small non-H scene, and you can view the char in a "shout-out" section in the character profiles. (imo though.... some of those games shouldn't be shouted out since they're not the right genre match).

As for genuine shared Universe.... Rarely done well. Closest would be the "Town of Passion" game, with how there's a sequel that takes place in the same universe, just not same time period.

As for one that takes place closer it's be the zombie games (same dev), Where again same universe, but no sharing of LIs or even direct contact between the groups.

Basically, they could be their own stand-alone games.


Hm? O I meant the issue that you get when you have 2 Male MC's that are related to eachother, because then you lose incest LIs, and just makes thins weird.

Didn't even think about the patreon aspect, was purely talking about it from a story/player viewpoint.

Well Damn... These posts aged like some Fine ass wine.

I don't think Emi appearing in The Cabin is going to inherently lead to NTR or sharing, and not necessarily because the player will have a choice. It's more because the dev writes the characters' intentions and desires without the player controlling them.

For instance, even if you play this game entirely faithful to Emi (which loses you an Emi handjob and Sally/(Waitress) sex, and only gains you an Emi footjob which I avoided because feet are fucking gross), Jamie still unavoidably has lewd thoughts about Hazel. That's the issue. Not whether you can choose do stuff with the other MC's LIs or not. It's that this game has already tainted the waters by having Jamie express unavoidable sexual interest in Kevin's LI Hazel, whether he does anything or not, and whether Kevin does anything with Emi or not. That introduces the tangle (and is one of the main reasons interconnected games with different MCs that know each other and each other's LIs is almost always a bad idea, every time it happens: this is true of Sicae/My Bully is My Lover, too, as well as Powers That Be/No Place Like Home, both sets of games would be vastly improved by their settings being completely separated from each other and never having crossover characters).

So how do I actually think The Cabin Ch7 is going to go? Reminder: This is pure speculation. Emi shows up at The Cabin just like she does at the end of this game. Jamie stays in the motel. Some of the more suspense-ey shit happens in The Cabin that cuts off phone contact, so Jamie is out of The Cabin definitively. Emi can then be used in The Cabin as another damsel, and there'll be some minor titillation using her while also using her to make Lisa jealous and bring Lisa more firmly into Kevin's grasp as an LI. Once that is all resolved, Emi and Hazel have their talk, Hazel reluctantly accepts Emi's and Jamie's relationship, and Emi fucks off to the next Emi/Jamie game..

Sorry my friend... but yours aged like milk.

CellStudios Any truth to this?

Not a big fan of cucking a previous MC with taking/sharing the LI... and that would kinda ruin this game if she became the other MCs LI. (cause well... the whole point of this one is them two together :| )

And just played to the end so I assume that is her mom (and MC's if set a certain way custom wise). which is also the not-aunt of the MC from the cabin.
Soooo how is that gonna work?

Or is it just that the games are connected, but only by that phone call, and hazel will stay in the cabin, and Emi and this MC will stay over in their world?

Btw... this was called over 2 years ago... and people were discussing since then how terrible of an idea it is... and how bad it would be.

Dev does it anyway... it's a terrible idea, massive backlash.

If only there was some way to know, if it was a bad idea before that... like if people had spoken up and warned them... 2 years ago.

Me RN:


p.s. saw the dev is removing them now... too little too late, already destroyed trust with the fans that hated it, and now they've gone and pissed off the remaining fans that wanted it.

Sometimes... you should just listen to reason... instead of money. (for those that don't know dev followed the money on that choice).

 

[Nulldev]

Thanks for proving my points.
Devs should
1. Never go back when facing a backlash on the internet, because the anonymous idiots will never forgive you anyway.
2. Only pay attention to the paying customers.

I'm saying this as a pirate, because it's my interest to have successful devs, who are making successful games.

 

[bobdillan]

Thanks for proving my points.
Devs should
1. Never go back when facing a backlash on the internet, because the anonymous idiots will never forgive you anyway.
2. Only pay attention to the paying customers.

I'm saying this as a pirate, because it's my interest to have successful devs, who are making successful games.

Maybe just... don't lie and deceive people at all in the first place... and just be honest.

That'd be the best idea.

In case you didn't know, this exists:


And people believed them.

Why are you blaming the players who believed the lie for? Shouldn't you blame the one that lied to them instead?

 

[bobdillan]

Thanks for proving my points.
Devs should
1. Never go back when facing a backlash on the internet, because the anonymous idiots will never forgive you anyway.
2. Only pay attention to the paying customers.

I'm saying this as a pirate, because it's my interest to have successful devs, who are making successful games.

Also... before you go saying that...

Maybe check the facts...


The ones you tell the dev to follow... are the ones treating the dev the worst.

And they weren't the ones who had their trust betrayed... They just wanted dev to keep pandering to them. So much so they sent them death threats... classy.

While I might give people shit... Death threats are just an extreme low, quite Vile behavior... and those are the kinds of people you telling the dev to follow and pander to bruv.

This btw, is a side that f95 mods constantly go out of their way to hide, since only a bad perception of vanilla players is acceptable here.

Inb4 this comment gets removed for some BS excuse like "Trolling" or "off Topic" since they don't want such truth out there.

 

[Nulldev]

Maybe just... don't lie and deceive people at all in the first place... and just be honest.

That'd be the best idea.

In case you didn't know, this exists:
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And people believed them.

Why are you blaming the players who believed the lie for? Shouldn't you blame the one that lied to them instead?

1. If you really want to go to the deep: "The original plan was for Emi to come to the cabin and be a love interest..."
so Emi was a Cabin LI before the Emi standalone games. That was Cell original idea.

Changing the plans are always problematic, but if you got a changed game with paying customers and in motion or an abandoned game without any support, I will take the changed game, thank you.

2. Death threats and the whole commotion is stupid, agree. It's a porn game after all.
But if, I as a a paying customer got polled and got a 96% decision, then the decision reversed because non paying pirates,
I would be pissed too.

BTW I have hard time believing that the "free sex, everybody happy, family fuckfest" crowd were worse than the "you killed my sacred virgin Emi by making her a slut" crowd. I think Cell was stressed out and made mistakes when reading and attributing these.
But that's just a random opinion.

I only hope he keeps working because I like all of his games.

 

[bobdillan]

1. If you really want to go to the deep: "The original plan was for Emi to come to the cabin and be a love interest..."
so Emi was a Cabin LI before the Emi standalone games. That was Cell original idea.

Changing the plans are always problematic, but if you got a changed game with paying customers and in motion or an abandoned game without any support, I will take the changed game, thank you.

2. Death threats and the whole commotion is stupid, agree. It's a porn game after all.
But if, I as a a paying customer got polled and got a 96% decision, then the decision reversed because non paying pirates,
I would be pissed too.

BTW I have hard time believing that the "free sex, everybody happy, family fuckfest" crowd were worse than the "you killed my sacred virgin Emi by making her a slut" crowd. I think Cell was stressed out and made mistakes when reading and attributing these.
But that's just a random opinion.

I only hope he keeps working because I like all of his games.

A promise of her not being an LI, is a promise of her not being an LI.

Breaking it, is betrayal. Nice try tho.

 

[Nulldev]

A promise of her not being an LI, is a promise of her not being an LI.

Breaking it, is betrayal. Nice try tho.

Well, so your opinion is that Emi games should not exist? Because that was the first betrayal of the original Emi idea?

 

[Nulldev]

A promise of her not being an LI, is a promise of her not being an LI.

Breaking it, is betrayal. Nice try tho.

BTW nice usage of betrayal in context of a small porn game. I really don't know who takes it too seriously

 

[bobdillan]

Well, so your opinion is that Emi games should not exist? Because that was the first betrayal of the original Emi idea?

BTW nice usage of betrayal in context of a small porn game. I really don't know who takes it too seriously

Nice try.

But I know how you two were feeling when they were going to remove it.

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

Since you all got The Cabin thread locked, I'll post this message here.

Hey, it's me again.

The last couple of days have been a little rough and rather scary. I normally get maybe 3-5 people talking about a release, but for this one, I had probably 30+ telling me how shit the game was, how I fucked everything up, and for me to kill myself, which was honestly a little scary; I'm not going to lie. So, with that happening, I folded and did what they wanted and went to bed. Then I woke up the following morning to even more backlash, hundreds of people telling me how shit the game is, how much they hate me, how I should kill myself, and some threatening to kill themselves, which was even scarier, so I folded once again.

Which brings us to today. After speaking with a good friend, he advised me to just take the day off and not think about any of it. Which I did, well, sort of. I took the day off and watched a few movies, but I couldn't stop thinking about it. I kept checking my phone and seeing the odd message, some good, some really good, and some not so good.

Now, I know I said in the last post about "Fuck it, I'm going to do what I want to do and not let anyone influence me.". But even then, I was still talking shit because at the time, I was still thinking about what people wanted, and I couldn't get out of this mindset of trying to do the impossible task of pleasing everyone. I thought about maybe doing DLCs where the cabin MC could fuck Emi or another Emi game to please those who want Emi, but when it's all said and done, it doesn't matter; I'll never please everyone, and I've had to learn that the hard way.

You wouldn't believe how close I came to just saying fuck it and shutting everything down. I googled how to delete the game on Steam and how to delete a Patreon account, but when it's all said and done, I don't want to do that. I feel like the story has been lost a little, but that's just because people haven't seen what I have planned. I have up to episode 12 plotted out, and I'm really happy with some of the stuff that is coming up, and I know for a fact people are going to go crazy for episode 8!

Which is why I'll leave you with this final message. If you like the game, great, I hope you keep playing and supporting me (and I'm not talking financially; I mean with your kind words of motivation and just your general support. I try to hear everyone's feedback, whether you pay or not). But if you don't like the game, then just don't play it; leave and get on with your life. This shit doesn't need to be that deep. At the end of the day, it should just be an AVN to you and nothing more. I understand that people form attachments; I've got a few myself with some of my favourite games, so I get it, but those attachments should never let you get so angry that you threaten death on yourself or someone else. One of the people who got really angry with me and spammed across multiple platforms sent me a DM and told me how sorry he was and how that isn't the real him and he let his emotions get the better of him, and I really appreciated that apology more than you could know.

... One last message: upon reading through that, I realised I didn't actually tell you what was going on, so here it is. Back in 2022 I did a poll asking people if they wanted to have Emi in the cabin, and people said yes. I realise that I didn't actually specify her as an LI and that poll could have been interpreted as just "She visits, makes up with Hazel, and leaves," but I took it as "Let me fuck her!" And like I said, that was before her game had been released (or maybe it was just after the first game; I haven't checked the dates). Thinking about it now, even though you have the option to say no, it doesn't matter; that thought shouldn't be in her head to begin with, which is why I'm sticking to my original routes of just doing romance games. That's what I've done from the start, and that's what I'll try to continue to do. And like I said, if that upsets you, just don't play. I will be sticking to what I said yesterday about banning people that don't agree with me too. I realise I can't ban people on f95, which is why it's probably a good thing I never go in that thread anymore. I've heard it's been a real shit show in there.

 

[XV71]

It just sucks when devs get death threats and then use that as the standard to ignore actual critics and make it all about the death threats or in this case suicide threat as the death threats must have all been in his dm's, oh well, moving on.