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Alucard421

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Friends to partners is a tried and true trope, you generally become friends with someone because you're compatible, and the scenario is something one can relate to.
I personally like the Marianne angle in HaHT more than Fiona since I feel like the MC and Marianne has more of an intimate/touchy type of relationship to begin with compared to Ashe and Fiona where it feels more like a bro-mance type of deal.

But yeah, mandatory non-consent is something that I have a very hard time to accept, I mainly just keep playing this as there aren't that many high-quality futa games out there and the overall quality is good enough for me to want to see where things go, even though I hate both blackmail and "dom" characters that just use coercion and sexual assault.
I hate it that most devs don't understand the entire Dom-Sub mechanism. The first rule of Dom Sub mechanics is consent. Without consent it literally leans towards sexual assault. We can a proper relationship then one can determine the Dom Sub mechanics between them. Like the guy before me said, somehow showing your dick to someone is considered seduction and not sexual harassment. And still trying to harass someone after they say no is akin to sexual assault. we can have proper Dom Sub in a proper relation ship but nope it always boils down to literal sexual harassment.

I hate it whether the MC is doing this shit or it is being done to them.
 

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Without a doubt the funniest Futa that exists, her sense of humor makes her very nice and endearing, I hope they upload more content soon.

Honestly, this is the biggest gripe I have with the game that I've also noted on before and the dev did reply to it, is that Ashe takes a LOT of fucking L's in this game. Like unbelievably so, she just keeps getting beaten down and the few victories she does have feels hollow and unsatisfying compared to the shit that's served to her.
Do you have an answer by chance? I'm very curious what the Dev says about it.

Played it already. Its a good game especially for the ,whats the Tool called used to create that game, something similar to Honey Select? In that way, the game design is top notch.
I find it curious that you like this game, since the first sex scene in one of the routes is a full-fledged rape.

Don't take it the wrong way, I just want to understand it.
 

Alucard421

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Without a doubt the funniest Futa that exists, her sense of humor makes her very nice and endearing, I hope they upload more content soon.


Do you have an answer by chance? I'm very curious what the Dev says about it.


I find it curious that you like this game, since the first sex scene in one of the routes is a full-fledged rape.

Don't take it the wrong way, I just want to understand it.
Actually I didn't choose that scene. And I hated it. Like I said for this game I hate Rapist cop and Blackmailer route. Similarly, whether the MC does it or it is being done by the MC, I hate them both. There was a depravity choice and a NTR choice, I went with the NTR one and culminated it properly on the sleepover event.

And no its not a favorite of mine but I like the overall character design and sex scenes in that game. The story isn't something to look forward to. But in this game, the story is. Suffice to say Instinct Unleashed and Having a hard time are the only best Futa games for me. This one falls short simply because of the Rapist Cop and Blackmailer being mandatory.
 
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man that 3 star review made me laugh he didn't finish the 2nd chapter and complained about a lack of porn lol. I mean he aint wrong with this one if that is what you are after but still 2 chapters usually too early for porn as well for most games imo
I will never understand people who want to jerk off with NV, just watch porn or hentai, that's it, everything is to the point and that's it, you don't even have to know what the hell is going on, or it's so obvious that you don't even need to read. :ROFLMAO:

Actually I didn't choose that scene. And I hated it. Like I said for this game I hate Rapist cop and Blackmailer route. Similarly, whether the MC does it or it is being done by the MC, I hate them both. There was a depravity choice and a NTR choice, I went with the NTR one and culminated it properly on the sleepover event.
I understand, I wanted to try both routes too and honestly if I had to choose between being a cheater or a rapist, I would choose to be a cheater.
 

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I will never understand people who want to jerk off with NV, just watch porn or hentai, that's it, everything is to the point and that's it, you don't even have to know what the hell is going on, or it's so obvious that you don't even need to read. :ROFLMAO:
yeah same I mean I do understand wanting to fap to it after getting worked up from some hot scenes and what not. But to want to play these for a fap on purpose i'll never get
 

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Do you have an answer by chance? I'm very curious what the Dev says about it.
IIRC they only stated that they'll take it into consideration and will try to balance it. Though this was back after update 3 launch so like.. over a year ago or something, so don't fully quote me on it, but I am pretty certain about the general gist of the reply.

I hate it that most devs don't understand the entire Dom-Sub mechanism. The first rule of Dom Sub mechanics is consent. Without consent it literally leans towards sexual assault. We can a proper relationship then one can determine the Dom Sub mechanics between them. Like the guy before me said, somehow showing your dick to someone is considered seduction and not sexual harassment. And still trying to harass someone after they say no is akin to sexual assault. we can have proper Dom Sub in a proper relation ship but nope it always boils down to literal sexual harassment.

I hate it whether the MC is doing this shit or it is being done to them.
Yeah, you're pretty much preaching to the choir here, I've left a LOT of comments on games where devs try to implement femdom and it's just non-avoidable blackmail and sexual assault, and it's honestly just extremely disappointing at this point. While dom/sub is not entirely my preference, if it's well written then it can be extremely hot and also very interesting from a relationship and power dynamic point of view, but there are so many devs out there that are entirely clueless about this.

That being said, as I posted a few pages back, rapecop seemingly is just geared as "dominant" in that sexual assault and blackmail type of way rather than actually being a dom character by design.. which is a bit disappointing aswell, see far too many of these sorts of characters in games I feel like.

I will never understand people who want to jerk off with NV, just watch porn or hentai, that's it, everything is to the point and that's it, you don't even have to know what the hell is going on, or it's so obvious that you don't even need to read.
That's true, though honestly, VN's can end up being a lot more satisfying of a fap if you find that one scenario that just clicks with you, or if you get into the characters. I've literally got games that I've redownloaded just because certain scenes and most importantly the buildup to the scenes were hot as fuck, so eh. Suppose I do understand people that mainly fap to VN's, but as someone pointed out, it seems weird to require scenes in the first or second updates at that point.
 
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IIRC they only stated that they'll take it into consideration and will try to balance it. Though this was back after update 3 launch so like.. over a year ago or something, so don't fully quote me on it, but I am pretty certain about the general gist of the reply.
wow so if it were up to Dev Ashe I would be more miserable? hahahahahaha god that's funny and sad at the same time.

Although I personally don't think Ashe has had it all that bad, it's not that she's exactly having a great time but it's not that bad either, she feels like any ordinary person dealing with everyday problems.
 

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wow so if it were up to Dev Ashe I would be more miserable? hahahahahaha god that's funny and sad at the same time.

Although I personally don't think Ashe has had it all that bad, it's not that she's exactly having a great time but it's not that bad either, she feels like any ordinary person dealing with everyday problems.
Wait ordinary people have people flashing their cock at them in gyms?
 

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IIRC they only stated that they'll take it into consideration and will try to balance it. Though this was back after update 3 launch so like.. over a year ago or something, so don't fully quote me on it, but I am pretty certain about the general gist of the reply.


Yeah, you're pretty much preaching to the choir here, I've left a LOT of comments on games where devs try to implement femdom and it's just non-avoidable blackmail and sexual assault, and it's honestly just extremely disappointing at this point. While dom/sub is not entirely my preference, if it's well written then it can be extremely hot and also very interesting from a relationship and power dynamic point of view, but there are so many devs out there that are entirely clueless about this.

That being said, as I posted a few pages back, rapecop seemingly is just geared as "dominant" in that sexual assault and blackmail type of way rather than actually being a dom character by design.. which is a bit disappointing aswell, see far too many of these sorts of characters in games I feel like.


That's true, though honestly, VN's can end up being a lot more satisfying of a fap if you find that one scenario that just clicks with you, or if you get into the characters. I've literally got games that I've redownloaded just because certain scenes and most importantly the buildup to the scenes were hot as fuck, so eh. Suppose I do understand people that mainly fap to VN's, but as someone pointed out, it seems weird to require scenes in the first or second updates at that point.
This exact kind of Futa character was in another Futa game called The Red Room. Futa, butch built body type cop who was also giving a rapist vibe. Its like most dev can't get over some stereotype, like if the character is built, they are probably rapists, or like a Black Guy's purpose in erotica is to be the dude NTRing others, especially a white dude. Not once have I seen a game with a black protagonist or a Black guy being a genuine lovable charismatic person. And if some game there are Black futa, 80% of the time they give rapist vibes.
 

Ciaran8023

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wow so if it were up to Dev Ashe I would be more miserable? hahahahahaha god that's funny and sad at the same time.

Although I personally don't think Ashe has had it all that bad, it's not that she's exactly having a great time but it's not that bad either, she feels like any ordinary person dealing with everyday problems.
That's fair, it could be worse, but there's also a lot of things she's going through that she didn't really deserve.
Rachel for example, she knows that Ashe has some serious mental health issues that are mainly revolving around anxiety as Rachel was the person basically looking after Ashe for the longest time, yet she flipped her shit despite knowing this and ended up essentially ruining their relationship. I still feel like their little meeting and make up feels cheap compared to how much Ashe must have suffered losing her one rock in life that she could depend on, as even if Fiona is a good friend, it wasn't to the level of Rachel.
Then you have her getting constantly picked on by Isabella who has some extremely questionable morals.
Then you have Vanessa using Ashe as a drug mule and dragging her into a "date" that ended with Ashe getting potentially humiliated by taking a random cumshot to the face.
Then you have Zoey being weirdly manipulative and seemingly focused on fucking Ashe even though Ashe wasn't exactly comfortable with it until the very last moment.

I can pull up some more examples but the general gist is that every character in this game (besides Fiona I guess) just uses Ashe for their own ends and goals, to their own whim, none of them actually respects her as a human being or someone with emotions, her sister being especially bad given that she tried to come back and just pretend that nothing happened, and then their make up felt very shallow on top of that.

So yeah, things could be "worse" in that she could be in worse scenarios, but it's hard to say that things could be worse in regards to the people she interacts with.

This exact kind of Futa character was in another Futa game called The Red Room. Futa, butch built body type cop who was also giving a rapist vibe. Its like most dev can't get over some stereotype, like if the character is built, they are probably rapists, or like a Black Guy's purpose in erotica is to be the dude NTRing others, especially a white dude. Not once have I seen a game with a black protagonist or a Black guy being a genuine lovable charismatic person. And if some game there are Black futa, 80% of the time they give rapist vibes.
It's intriguing that you mention this as I am pretty sure this game is inspired by The Red Room, though I've personally never played it.
And yeah, devs tend to fall into tropes exceedingly hard unfortunately, which does tend to sour games for me more often than not. I also feel like most devs just simply don't understand the difference between a dominant character and a dom.
Hell, they don't really understand the difference between a dominant character and a rapist dipshit, as a well written dominant character tends to be more respectful but take no shit.
 

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Wait ordinary people have people flashing their cock at them in gyms?
It depends on who you ask, yes.

Once, while working in a supermarket taking inventory of merchandise with someone else, the topic of hair removal came up and he showed me how he had shaved down there. To this day, I don't understand why someone would show me that.
 

Alucard421

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It depends on who you ask, yes.

Once, while working in a supermarket taking inventory of merchandise with someone else, the topic of hair removal came up and he showed me how he had shaved down there. To this day, I don't understand why someone would show me that.
Oh my god. I am sorry for reminding you this. yeah I forget how shitty this world has become.
 

Ciaran8023

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Honestly, it is entertaining reading all these dumb comments with people unable to seperate game from life, complaining about optional content, and saying all the characters are using ashe and not good.

I swear all the idiots decided to all show up tonight.
I mean it's a pretty easy thing to understand, a relationship of any kind is give and take, if you're in a relationship where things are only taken from you, that is someone using you.
If you do not understand this then I am sorry that the relationships you've been in have been at the hands of selfish individuals.

If you want me to elaborate a bit (all based on 0.4 still as I have yet to play 0.5);
Rachel tried to completely ignore the situation and only complied with Ashe when aggressively confronted, and even then it came off more as an apology to appease her sense of guilt and not because she actually understood how her actions affected Ashe.
Isabelle takes advantage of being best friends with Rachel to continuously pick on Ashe even though she clearly understands where Ashe's boundaries lie and what buttons she needs to press to get Ashe to feel like shit.
Zoey decided to be very sexually aggressive and manipulative in order to get Ashe's dick. That is not an equivalent trade.
Vanessa coerced Ashe to become a drug mule, as let's face it Ashe couldn't really turn down someone with a lot of fucking cash and influence, and then subjected her to a very uncomfortable date. Unless you argue that a potential cumshot to the face is sufficient "give" to Ashe.
Kate decided to objectify Ashe for her own pleasure since there sure as hell weren't any mutual pleasure being had there.
Rapecop, I mean I don't think I have to elaborate on that.
Delilah and Fiona are basically the only examples where Ashe actually gets something decent out of being involved with them, what with Fiona being an emotional support and Delilah atleast trying to take things slowly.

It isn't my fault that you do not understand the basics of a relationship, nor is it my obligation to educate you on this as you seem completely adverse to rational thought.
 
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Alucard421

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I mean it's a pretty easy thing to understand, a relationship of any kind is give and take, if you're in a relationship where things are only taken from you, that is someone using you.
If you do not understand this then I am sorry that the relationships you've been in have been at the hands of selfish individuals.
Well since most of the Male Protagonists game use this kind of logic where the Male protagonist take everything they want without giving anything back and are considered dominant, you can expect the same from those who are saturated playing those kind of games. The person didn't have to reply to my comment defending the rapist cop, but they felt offended when I complained about it and they stuck to it.
 

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I mean, that being said, it would make sense for her to go completely FUTACHAD.
The reason behind that is that Ashe is a bundle of neurotic anxiety from an early age with a lot of trauma behind it, even beginning to change something like that would likely take a year or so of therapy, at which point it's much easier for people like that to flip to the extreme end of the spectrum and basically roleplay as someone else, because she doesn't really have a healthy way of scaling the process of "chadhood" for lack of a better term.
In that it'd be more exact to say she'd develop a sort of 2nd persona when her switch is flipped (angry, super stressed). Like we saw even b4 the crossroad choice, when in those situations she'd be a lot more "confident", not taking bs from others...
It's true that ppl wanted to see Fiona being penetrated, I agree with you that for the current Mc it'd be weird, however the difference is ppl expected to have a return to friend only with Fiona option if that wasn't the case.
I honestly think we'll be able to do her soon. SO, it's their loss if they don't want to enjoy that. I also think FIona was the best "choice" to lose "virginity" lol (yes I played with the cucumber bc I didn't want to have mc unprepared, lose a potential top position bc of it lol). A bit sad there was no real variation apart from a line if we took the cucumber lol.

But, I don't think the dev is aiming for anything like that, I kind of also very much doubt that Fiona would be topped/penetrated. Dev has already noted that when he/she decides to do something, they'll just do it, as shown by the whole Zoey thing.
I don't agree with that, it was clearly shown she had no real prblm being "topped" by Ashe and receiving her load nearly on her face. I think a more experienced Ashe will pop Fiona's cherry lol. It might even be the key to dom her lol. I can't wait to see what the dev/s has in store for us.
Yk I just realized we actually couldn't avoid that, did dev/s explain why? I'd actually like to know.





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