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I get the feeling Natasha is the corruption route of this game.
Her route seems similar to what i saw in several games featuring corruption. Where some character tries to blackmail the protagonist into sexual acts or the protagonist is the one doing the blackmail.
 

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To be fair there may be a rape attempt in the Kitten Ashe route. If Ashe tries to refuse her advances the only way out is by hitting Natasha in the nuts.

That being said i don't believe Natasha is written as a dom as some guy (who got his innapropriated remarks deleted) said. She is (well) written as a corrupt cop that blackmails people in exchange for sexual favors.
If Natasha wanted to rape Ashe, she would have done it, no tricks involved. She knows that Ashe wants her without admitting it. Everything she does is to make Ashe admit it and get what she wants. It's not rape, attempted rape, or coercion.

Natasha is not shown as a corrupt cop or blackmailing anyone. She's doing her job. The first time she caught Ashe, she let her go, even though she was grabbing her ass. And if she were a rapist, she wouldn't have stopped there. And when she found Ashe and Rachel with their pockets full of drugs, she should have sent them to jail, but Rachel said they would do anything if she forgave their crime. Did Natasha do a bad thing by agreeing? On the contrary, these two fools were very lucky that Natasha was there, wanting to fuck Ashe, and not some other cop who would send them to jail without a word. And again, Natasha could have forced them to have sex on the spot, as Ashe feared, but even that didn’t happen.
 

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Is it optional? Even after saying a firm No at the Gym, the Rapist cop still tries to sexually harass and if you completely tell her off, describes you as cocksleeve and decides to ruin your life, calling Ashe a cunt, then its not optional. Its an inherent part of the story. And the Dev loves to dump even sexual trauma on Ashe, as if her unresolved trauma with her mentor's death isn't enough.
Mentor?
 

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I get the feeling Natasha is the corruption route of this game.
Her route seems similar to what i saw in several games featuring corruption. Where some character tries to blackmail the protagonist into sexual acts or the protagonist is the one doing the blackmail.
That is quite possible & as long as she is supposed to be a vile jerk it's certainly done in a good way, as you said. Also it's not as if it speaks ill of anyone to like her content, if she was more like Vanessa (who's stunt at that dinner date was really stupid and of course a terrible idea + a mean af thing to do) who seems much more immature than malicious towards Ashe (who was imho collateral damage, Vanessa didn't think through how the whole event would impact Ashe) I'd feel a lot more interested in Natasha's side of things.

Also I must say that I'm grateful for finally having an option to have Ashe fight back against her, even on the kitten path (much more after subby stuff than the protag acting dominant) which was a concern of mine that is therefore solved & I have to take that into account now, given that the paths are locked in beforehand so what I said about the choices in the game up to that point does not apply here & that choice does definitely mean something to me, don't mind if that is silly on my end.
Edit: So I accept being in the wrong about the kinetic novel thing, I should have played version 0.5 first to see how it's handled instead of getting in my head about fearing the Kitten path leaves no way out of Natasha's grasp.
 
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If Natasha wanted to rape Ashe, she would have done it, no tricks involved. She knows that Ashe wants her without admitting it. Everything she does is to make Ashe admit it and get what she wants. It's not rape, attempted rape, or coercion.

Natasha is not shown as a corrupt cop or blackmailing anyone. She's doing her job. The first time she caught Ashe, she let her go, even though she was grabbing her ass. And if she were a rapist, she wouldn't have stopped there. And when she found Ashe and Rachel with their pockets full of drugs, she should have sent them to jail, but Rachel said they would do anything if she forgave their crime. Did Natasha do a bad thing by agreeing? On the contrary, these two fools were very lucky that Natasha was there, wanting to fuck Ashe, and not some other cop who would send them to jail without a word. And again, Natasha could have forced them to have sex on the spot, as Ashe feared, but even that didn’t happen.
What?
it is literaly one of the possible choices in Natasha's route in this update. Kitten Ashe is either there for the sex or if she refuses she needs to resort to self defense to escape.
Also a cop who doesn't do her job but instead uses it to score some ass/pussy is the textbook definition of corrupt. :oops:

But yeah i am not talking about anymore. Seems like another circular argument.

Without the unoficial patch that is how the relationships are set.
 

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Natasha is not shown as a corrupt cop or blackmailing anyone. She's doing her job. The first time she caught Ashe, she let her go, even though she was grabbing her ass.
You are contradicting yourself.
I said it before i'll say it again, you can like a character and admit that she's a piece of shit, this is fiction not real life, it's ok to enjoy it.
At this point I'm convinced you're trolling and won't be answerig anymore.
 

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If Natasha wanted to rape Ashe, she would have done it, no tricks involved. She knows that Ashe wants her without admitting it. Everything she does is to make Ashe admit it and get what she wants. It's not rape, attempted rape, or coercion.

Natasha is not shown as a corrupt cop or blackmailing anyone. She's doing her job. The first time she caught Ashe, she let her go, even though she was grabbing her ass. And if she were a rapist, she wouldn't have stopped there. And when she found Ashe and Rachel with their pockets full of drugs, she should have sent them to jail, but Rachel said they would do anything if she forgave their crime.
I like Natasha too, I think her scene is one of the sexiest things in the update, but dude it is impossible to deny that Natasha is a corrupt police officer, you literally said it yourself, instead of taking them to jail she tells them to go to her apartment and do her other "favors" is the basic definition of corruption.
 

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But in that case this is a kinetic novel (and a tonally inconsistent one at that), aside from the fact that I personally don't exactly agree with you here but that doesn't mean you're wrong or that I'm necessarily 100% right or that there is only either/or here.

Edit: Also it seems kinda self-explanatory to me that building a healthy relationship with a single, trustworthy person instead of sleeping around with a bunch of uncaring and selfish people who are mostly just using Ashe for their satisfaction is definitely much more prone to be a step-stone on the way to overcoming her issues and mentally healing. There is nothing wrong with monogamy, especially not in Ashe's situation, which is not to say polygamy is a bad thing either. Why take away any sort of player agency in such an important aspect? More importantly though why try to act as if this is about making decisions when you railroad the player into so much stuff? Just seems kinda dishonest to me personally.
The monogamy way would make a lot of sense on the kitten route, she would just have to find the right person. On the siren route I can see it going either way. Working through her issues herself whilst wetting her whistle, or by doing so with a cutie with a booty in a monogamous way. Either way *can* work. But might be hard to pull off.

The second part of your edit is what has me baffled as well, not just doing so arbitrarily but also the amount of people defending it. Yes you can’t take that to the n-th degree, no one is asking for that. No one is asking for granular control either. We’re all aware it’s an AVN, it has to be on rails to a certain extent. But binary choices for yes/no on sex scenes should be A given.
 

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What?
it is literaly one of the possible choices in Natasha's route in this update. Kitten Ashe is either there for the sex or if she refuses she needs to resort to self defense to escape.
Also a cop who doesn't do her job but instead uses it to score some ass/pussy is the textbook definition of corrupt. :oops:
That scene needs the Tybalt treatment!
 
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Lexi seems nice so far. Very early days, but I think she'll end up in that column as well. (Personally, I think leaving Fiona at the friend table is nuts, but that's also personal preference and subjective)
Honestly speaking, since I haven't had the time to play the 5.0 update yet, I forgot that Lexi even existed. She didn't really have much screentime in any of the previous updates.
And that's fair, Fiona as a character is probably the best in the game, it just doesn't feel right to turn the one friend that Ashe still has into a potential LI for me.

You could completely delete that scene from the game and it would still be obvious. As I said, I don't know what to tell you if you don't see it.
Yeah, nah, it wouldn't be obvious at all. What you've been saying is that her behaviour is obvious because it's obvious that she wouldn't be able to control herself, which has literally no ground to stand on as there are at best some barebone hints that she's interested in Ashe in a more romantic way - but as said, this has nothing to do with what you've been trying to argue. There's nothing to point to Rachel having zero self-control, in fact given their shared upbringing and what we've gotten to see in regards to her being an emotional anchor for Ashe, she should have a lot of self-control.

Mommysbuttslut said:
I didn't say that she had to destroy Ashe. I said she thought she had to destroy her relationship with Ashe. I also said I thought she handled it wrong but it's pretty hard to seriously fault an 18 year old who barely knows the world for fucking something up in the heat of the moment beyond it being a learning experience.
She knew how badly this would fuck Ashe up, and now if we're going by your theory, she's willingly going to fuck Ashe up yet again because she's putting herself in the same goddamn situation that she allegedly had to destroy Ashe for to begin with. You do see how this is some absolutely fucked behaviour, correct?

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And then when Evelyn inevitably confronts her about why she's cut off her sister what's she supposed to do.
Literally just say "we have some differences that we can't reconcile". That's it. The absolute barebones of communication would have been required, because Evelyn can't do shit about a relationship between two legal adults.

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That's kinda rich from the dude writing short stories to every response I make.
Did you just not comprehend what I typed? Yes, I do care about the discussion because you have to care about a discussion to partake in it, you absolute rube.
You were the one trying to go "oh but I clearly don't care" while replying, which as I pointed out, isn't the way it works whether you want it to or not.

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A person cutting their twin sibling off because they tried to fuck them (remember, Rachel barely fucking remembers this, she thought they actually banged at first from the condom on the floor) and then pressured them into entering a romantic and sexual relationship also isn't something that should typically annoy a person unless a trauma is involved. It's a pretty normal response to cut someone off after something like that, especially if the person in Rachel's position feels the same. Sure it's an incest novel so we can suspend some disbelief when it comes to them being attracted and acting on that attraction but it's hardly an unrealistic and even somewhat reasonable response to the position Rachel was in.
The fuck? Ashe is the least pressuring force in that scene considering that she was a stuttering, anxious mess.
What you don't seem to understand is that within the power dynamics of that scene, Rachel had all the power due to how mentally fucked Ashe is thanks to anxiety and being in a situation where she isn't sure of anything.

And again, instead of Rachel taking an extra second to compose herself, which I remind you, would have been her MO for the vast majority of their childhoods due to her role in being an emotional anchor, she flipped her shit and made the worst fucking decision she could have made. She then proceeded to go completely dead silent for a year as, according to you, it was the only thing she could think of doing to avoid "jumping on Ashe" but she then decides to come back and be real close to Ashe while simultaneously disrespecting her by avoiding any and all conflict resolution and also just throwing her actions into the trash, effectively having destroyed Ashe for literally no reason as she again puts herself into that situation.
If she had any respect for Ashe, she would have stayed away if we're going by your theory, so this just makes her far worse than I had initially assumed.

At this point, let's agree to disagree as you clearly have no indication to even attempt to view things from any perspective other than pure defensiveness on Rachels part, even though I humoured your theory plenty. This is going absolutely nowhere and will be my last reply to you.
 
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Honestly speaking, since I haven't had the time to play the 5.0 update yet, I forgot that Lexi even existed. She didn't really have much screentime in any of the previous updates.
And that's fair, Fiona as a character is probably the best in the game, it just doesn't feel right to turn the one friend that Ashe still has into a potential LI for me.
Just FYI, somehow the system has wrongly attributed response 3 onward as me. I've never seen that before. But I only wrote the first one. I didn't know the system could do that. Weird.

And you do see Lexi in the 0.5.0 update.
 
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Just FYI, somehow the system has wrongly attributed response 3 onward as me. I've never seen that before. But I only wrote the first one. I didn't know the system could do that. Weird.

And you do see Lexi in the 0.5.0 update.
What the hell, yeah I didn't even see that since I just directly quoted the guy. I'll fix it up real quick, I don't like misattributing quotes.

And yeah I've heard that Lexi gets some more screentime in 5.0. I'll likely play it sometime during the week, hard to fit in currently.

EDIT- fixed the quotes, literally no idea how that happened.
 

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Just FYI, somehow the system has wrongly attributed response 3 onward as me. I've never seen that before. But I only wrote the first one. I didn't know the system could do that. Weird.

And you do see Lexi in the 0.5.0 update.
It felt weird reading that as it didn’t seem to be you, but I think it wasn’t the system. I think he manually copy pasted the quote tag with the wrong name, as it doesn’t link to the original response either.
 

Ciaran8023

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It felt weird reading that as it didn’t seem to be you, but I think it wasn’t the system. I think he manually copy pasted the quote tag with the wrong name, as it doesn’t link to the original response either.
I didn't actually manually copy it, I simply pressed "reply" on the post as it will automatically add the post into the one you're currently writing, which is why I'm genuinely confused as to what happened.
I didn't manually quote either of them and I have nothing copied to accidentally ctrl+V somehow.
 

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Lexi has a lot of content in this update.
As i mentioned before she is the lock for the Siren Ashe in V0.5 just like Natasha is the one for Kitten Ashe.
Very cute flirting that leads to a hot sex scene.
She also has some content in the Cuckqueen Ashe route.

ps: i understood her joke. :LOL:
 

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and why didn't her sister tell her what happened to her the whole day she spent there? and how few photos of her sister in that outfit were shown to her
 
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