VN Ren'Py Eruption Imminent [v0.5.1] [MorriganRae]

[Ciaran8023]

Thanks for the feedback. There are a bunch of valid points here, but I do feel the need to come to Rachel's defense a bit.

I put it in spoilers even though I don't think it's anything new that wasn't revealed in the story yet.

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I won't tell you what to think of Rachel's behavior of course, but I figured I'd put it in a bit of a different light .

That's entirely fair, it was a little while ago and I don't have a save at that specific point so I was a bit hesitant at first if I had recalled correctly or if Ashe was playing the unreliable narrator, going back to the scene in question I did forget about the latter part that outlines what you said, but she still reacted in a way where the event in question seemed equally absurd to her (i.e the "what even happened last night?!") and while that might have been entirely focused on the relationship rather than the event, the way it was framed came off as her being mainly fucked up about the event which tapers into the relationship talk.
I really should have taken a bit of time and just speedran the shit out of a new game to get to that scene to refresh my memory.

Regardless though, I still just do not like her, I mean Ashe had to basically have a meltdown for her to actually realize that she probably shouldn't just pretend as if nothing happened in their relationship. This is of coursed biased by my own experiences, but man a relationship without functioning communication just isn't one that can work out, regardless of what kind of relationship it might be.

Thanks for calling me out on that though, just goes to show how unreliable memory can be.

 

[TheLecher]

Regardless though, I still just do not like her, I mean Ashe had to basically have a meltdown for her to actually realize that she probably shouldn't just pretend as if nothing happened in their relationship. This is of coursed biased by my own experiences, but man a relationship without functioning communication just isn't one that can work out, regardless of what kind of relationship it might be.

I was in the middle of writing a multiple paragraph response to your criticism of Rachel, but then Morrigan posted her reply, so I deleted mine. I'll confine myself to just responding to this one point.

It's easy to blame Rachel for not talking to Ashe about things until she melted down, but only if you fail to try to see into Rachel's point of view. You need to remember that the story is told from Ashe's point of view, so you've already been invited by the narrative to feel sympathetic toward her and her feelings of despair about her broken relationship with her twin. But the narrative never invites you to feel sorry for Rachel, and all that she's been suffering for the past year (at least not until the two of them actually talk it out).

Do you really think that Ashe is the only one who has been miserable for a year? Do you think that Ashe is the only one who hasn't known what to do, or how to move forward?

Rachel is just as full of doubts and fears as Ashe is, and you need to remember that Ashe is just as responsible for Rachel's suffering as Rachel is for Ashe's.

It's clear from the narrative that Rachel has not been avoiding a serious talk with Ashe out of carelessness. Her redirecting of the conversation, every time the subject comes up, has clearly been deliberate. But why would you assume that this intentional avoidance of the problem is from a malicious desire to cut Ashe out of her life? Why wouldn't you consider the possibility that Rachel is acting defensively, trying to avoid "the talk" because she's afraid of what it will mean for their relationship.

Remember three things.

1. Rachel has suffered just as much as Ashe.
2. Ashe is just as much to blame as Rachel.
3. Neither one of them has handled the situation well, prior to the big talk.

 

[SerHawkes]

Honestly, both are certainly at fault. Sure, Rachel overracted a bit, and certainly kept trying to push things away rather address it. But similarly Ashe very much didn't both to maybe try and take into some consideration as to Rachels own feelings. She kinda maybe expected Rachel, given their closeness, to be equally feel the same maybe.

For me though, I don't hate really any of the characters, with the naturally exception to Officer Small Dick. Everyone has their flaws and fuck ups and drama. And honestly I would say you can't really put all the blame just all on one character when there is some degree where both parties are kinda a fault.

 

[Ciaran8023]

Honestly, both are certainly at fault. Sure, Rachel overracted a bit, and certainly kept trying to push things away rather address it. But similarly Ashe very much didn't both to maybe try and take into some consideration as to Rachels own feelings. She kinda maybe expected Rachel, given their closeness, to be equally feel the same maybe.

For me though, I don't hate really any of the characters, with the naturally exception to Officer Small Dick. Everyone has their flaws and fuck ups and drama. And honestly I would say you can't really put all the blame just all on one character when there is some degree where both parties are kinda a fault.

I don't think anyone is saying that any one character has all the blame, we're arguing about how much blame/accountability lies within each character. I'm fairly firmly in the Ashe 30/70 Rachel camp but I digress.

Also, Officer Small Dick? I'm guessing it's that officer that got handsy with Ashe right?
I almost forgot she was a character actually.

 

[SerHawkes]

Also, Officer Small Dick? I'm guessing it's that officer that got handsy with Ashe right?

The one and only.

 

[smut]

I'm still a bit on the fence on Rachel, but that's probably just because the plot hasn't played out yet. She's family and (formerly) the closest person to Ashe, so I'm pretty much counting on it working out in one way or another. I'm more excited for other characters right now, but that's because we've gotten closer to them, like Fiona.

As for people disliking Isabella, I'm quite convinced this is on purpose. Rachel already dropped a big hint about Isabella being a better person that Ashe's impression of her. I'm not sure quite how, because I've taken a strong dislike to her as well, but that could be quite intentional from MR. My main theories is that either she was supportive and a good friend of Rachel earlier, or that she had a genuine crush on Ashe and only Rachel knew.

 

[Izakiya]

I hope there will be a path for Ashe to get over Rachel, so that Ashe can move on with someone else. I'd much rather have Ashe with her Mom or Fiona.

 

[Dessolos]

I hope there will be a path for Ashe to get over Rachel, so that Ashe can move on with someone else. I'd much rather have Ashe with her Mom or Fiona.

Vanessa for me tho I will say I do like Rachael a bit more than Vanessa atm but still rather Ashe just have a wholesome relationship with her sister and not a sexual one, at least for my main save.

 

[Birdnman993]

I hope there will be a path for Ashe to get over Rachel, so that Ashe can move on with someone else. I'd much rather have Ashe with her Mom or Fiona.

All the talk about Rachel has left me even more eager for the episode to come out, I'm with you Ashe should get over that crush on her sister now, she spent a whole year eating her brain instead of establishing a relationship with someone else, be it Fiona or Delilah.

Ashe still needs to develop as a person and I can't wait to see how she gains confidence in herself and can realize her crazy fantasies.

 

[SerHawkes]

or Delilah....

 

[TheLecher]

As for people disliking Isabella, I'm quite convinced this is on purpose. Rachel already dropped a big hint about Isabella being a better person that Ashe's impression of her. I'm not sure quite how, because I've taken a strong dislike to her as well, but that could be quite intentional from MR. My main theories is that either she was supportive and a good friend of Rachel earlier, or that she had a genuine crush on Ashe and only Rachel knew.

I've said it in this thread before, but I'll say it again. I trust Rachel's judgement of Isabella's character.

I agree with you that Morrigan has intentionally only shown us Ashe's perspective on Isabella's behavior, and so we've gotten a slanted view, thus far. But even given the one-sided picture we've been shown, I rather like the character. She's not one of my five favorites, but she's not my least favorite, either.

I hope there will be a path for Ashe to get over Rachel, so that Ashe can move on with someone else. I'd much rather have Ashe with her Mom or Fiona.

Given that "harem" is one of the planned tags for the game, I don't think that it will be necessary for Ashe to move on from Rachel in order to be with someone else. I think that she'll be able to do both at once.

 

[Izakiya]

Given that "harem" is one of the planned tags for the game, I don't think that it will be necessary for Ashe to move on from Rachel in order to be with someone else. I think that she'll be able to do both at once.

I don't want to do both at once. I want the chance to reject Rachel and have something platonic instead. I dislike Rachel for a multitude of reason, far too much to want anything sexual with her.

I'm with you Ashe should get over that crush on her sister now, she spent a whole year eating her brain instead of establishing a relationship with someone else, be it Fiona or Delilah.

Yeah, it'd be nice to be able to choose if Ashe is ready to move on or wants to confirm her feelings for Rachel. The way the dev writes gives me confidence that he could make both options fulfilling.

 

[Mihawkgod]

Lol i will chip in and say y'all gotta remember that Ashe and Rachel are young as fuck(i don't remember their age). Dealing with this kind insane stuff with dismissive or breakdown behavior is normal for young folk as they still are learning. While both of them are at fault for that night, we gotta give the story time to develop and i have faith morrigan will bring it full circle in a satisfactory way.

also, to Lecher; Rachel will always come off as the 'wrong' one cause this story is ashe's. While i am sympathetic of Rachel, i have 0 investment/want for that character. For me she and ashe have had their peace, if she becomes a non character i wouldn't care. Ashe is the mc and i will care for her far more lol. This is applicable to most players i think.

 

[Dessolos]

While i am sympathetic of Rachel, i have 0 investment/want for that character. For me she and ashe have had their peace, if she becomes a non character i wouldn't care. Ashe is the mc and i will care for her far more lol. This is applicable to most players i think.

Rachel is a weird case for me she is my favorite yet i much rather them get over their issues and have a wholesome relationship. As I really like Rachael as a character and her story but not sure how I would like her as a LI. My pick would be Vanessa for a romantic relationship.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Thanks for the feedback. There are a bunch of valid points here, but I do feel the need to come to Rachel's defense a bit.

I put it in spoilers even though I don't think it's anything new that wasn't revealed in the story yet.

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I won't tell you what to think of Rachel's behavior of course, but I figured I'd put it in a bit of a different light .

That is more or less what i had imagined. Both are immature and reacted badly to their "break up".

 

[isekaitree]

I personally really like Fiona but that's a given since I am biased to futa on futa action but I enjoy almost all of the characters in this one I think the only one I dislike is the dumb muscle futa that is the gf of the sisters friend she's so douchy can't stand her.

 

[MadfireMonkey]

I personally really like Fiona but that's a given since I am biased to futa on futa action but I enjoy almost all of the characters in this one I think the only one I dislike is the dumb muscle futa that is the gf of the sisters friend she's so douchy can't stand her.

Gotta stay ALPHA bro

 

[DarkLurker12]

I honestly felt Rachel was pretty justified for freaking out about waking up to the realisation that their own sibling is not only willing to take sexual advantage of their drunken state, but that she shows little remorse for it (as Ashe says that thou it's wrong, it's ok because of her one-sided love).

Especially compounded with the fact they were going to be spending a year alone together in foreign lands. I'm not a woman but I'm pretty sure nobody can stomach the idea of being that issolated with your potencial assailant, let alone for that long. A freak-out after such a breach of trust is a normal response last I checked. To dismiss Ashe's notions of love rather then calmly try to reason with your percieved attacker that "incest is wrong 'mkay" is in this case a valid if volatile response. Can't go giving her hope by letting her down gently.

 

[clrgm]

One of the very few things I'm disliking so far is that you have to lock some content in order to unlock other depending on the path you choose. I mean, if I pick the dom path am I forever stuck with only seeing scenes with submissive futas like Lexi and females? Cause I believe the same logic that applies to Natasha, applies to Cleo, Fiona, etc.

 

[TheLecher]

One of the very few things I'm disliking so far is that you have to lock some content in order to unlock other depending on the path you choose. I mean, if I pick the dom path am I forever stuck with only seeing scenes with submissive futas like Lexi and females? Cause I believe the same logic that applies to Natasha, applies to Cleo, Fiona, etc.

As far as paths for specific characters, the developer has said that the next update will have an optional hint system which will warn you if you're about to be locked out of content with a character, so that you can modify your choices accordingly.

She has also said that most characters will have content on more than one path, though they may have more content on certain paths than on others. So, whether you choose to make Ashe dominant or submissive, and whether you get on the cuckquean path or not, there should be at least one scene available for most characters.

I'm inclined to think that Natasha Shaw (the cop) may be an exception to this rule, and will probably only have content with a submissive Ashe, but that's just a guess on my part.

As for Fiona, I'm pretty sure that Ashe will be able to take either a submissive or dominant role with her.