VN Ren'Py Eruption Imminent [v0.6.1] [MorriganRae]

[Dr. Mick]

I wrote that the MC was dumb to get caught with drugs. She should choose a different place. Certainly not one that is well-known for being visited by drug users. Maybe smoke weed only at home. And she sure as hell shouldn't try to give her sister the pills. Or at the very least should take one in MC's house if she wanted to try it that much. She should probably spend a few days in jail for possession of those pills. And pay a fine too. To pay for her stupidity.
But yeah, the cop should definitely be at the very least fined for sexual harasment. She abused her authority the first time she stopped and searched the MC. At the gym that was clearly sexual harasment. The cop was not in uniform, so if the MC called the police on her, they could arrest her then and there. And at the dope house that was blackmail. So there.

Don't bother trying to give a logical argument against Natasha. It won't go well, no matter what you say.
One of the users on here loves her, and will take every opportunity to argue that she is always in the right no matter how depraved what she did was.
It's not worth the time, or your frustration.

 

[Cygnus X-1]

Yeah, there's no telling what Bella or Natasha would do with access to Elysium.
Hypothetically:
Bella would probably just give it to Cleo, with the hope that it would make Cleo want to spend extra time with her. Of course that would lead to disaster, since an overly horny Cleo whose brain only half functions as it is, would be a menace.

When Natasha decides to inflict herself on someone, she'll have the Elysium to make them less resistant to her assault. Then she can blame them for being a drug user, and threaten them to keep their mouth shut. Of course she'd simply ignore the fact that she was the one who had the illegal drug, rather than turning it in, and was the one who poisoned her victim.
-end of hypothetical-

That goes along with what my goal is within this VN. Having Ashe keep Rachel away from creeps and toxic people, while also trying to keep Natasha away from anyone Ashe cares about.
All while Ashe hopefully takes some time to cultivate loving relationships for herself.

I think Bella and Cleo would take ta least one each. Cleo after wearing out Bella would try to fuck anything within reach. Probably would end up even dumber in the end. The only hope for Rachel would be to not be present. If poor Lexi got caught in the maelstrom, she wouldn't be able to sit for a few days. If the two sluts manage to get handsy with Vanessa, she would kick them out the next day. And sue their pants off. Though she would probably kick them out anyway for the mess they caused. In addition have them pay for the damage.

I just realized this was my 1000th post.

 

[Cygnus X-1]

Harassment can only happen if Ashe allows it. And Natasha knows that Ashe herself wants it. So there is no reason to fine her. Besides, there may simply be no laws in this world to punish attempted harassment. It is not rape after all. There was no blackmail either, on the contrary, Natasha helped these two idiots, because she did not take them to the police, but offered to work them off. It is clear that she did it for selfish purposes, but they were still lucky. And they themselves begged her.

That's nonsense. Harassment is when the other party doesn't agree to it. And the MC didn't. Technically she didn't do it the first time, but only because the MC objected to it, i.e. she didn't want it. Second time she just jumped her out of nowhere, with her dick right in the MC's face. So it gets hard to look away. And the MC didn't react positively. In addition if the cop's cock touched the MC, she could have sued her for sexual assault. So the cop got lucky.
Correction, only Rachel begged her, because she didn't want to go to jail or pay a fine, not knowing the cop and thus that the alternative could be worse. The cop should have taken them in or fined them. If the cop doesn't hand over the confiscated drugs at a police station, she herself would be guilty of drug possession. If she truly wanted to helped them, she would have looked away and she didn't.
Bottom line: the cop doesn't have a moral high ground, because of hidden intentions. She never wanted to help out of the goodness of her heart.

 

[Jbuster]

Don't bother trying to give a logical argument against Natasha. It won't go well, no matter what you say.
One of the users on here loves her, and will take every opportunity to argue that she is always in the right no matter how depraved what she did was.
It's not worth the time, or your frustration.

To be fair, is only harassment if the player choose to rebuke Natasha, because then her advances become unwanted. In any other case and before there's any blackmail involved, there's at least some form of consent, at minimun, there's curiosity from Ashe should the player choose to extend their interactions with Natasha

So being annoyed that someone else took a different route in a game of choices is a pretty silly thing, just like the whole discussion about it

 

[Kontralta]

That's nonsense. Harassment is when the other party doesn't agree to it. And the MC didn't. Technically she didn't do it the first time, but only because the MC objected to it, i.e. she didn't want it. Second time she just jumped her out of nowhere, with her dick right in the MC's face. So it gets hard to look away. And the MC didn't react positively. In addition if the cop's cock touched the MC, she could have sued her for sexual assault. So the cop got lucky.
Correction, only Rachel begged her, because she didn't want to go to jail or pay a fine, not knowing the cop and thus that the alternative could be worse. The cop should have taken them in or fined them. If the cop doesn't hand over the confiscated drugs at a police station, she herself would be guilty of drug possession. If she truly wanted to helped them, she would have looked away and she didn't.
Bottom line: the cop doesn't have a moral high ground, because of hidden intentions. She never wanted to help out of the goodness of her heart.

You are the one writing nonsense. Ashe can refuse, or she can agree. In the first case, nothing will happen, in the second, everything will happen by consent. In both cases, there is no harassment. If you are embarrassed by her touching Ash or showing her a dick, c'mon, you know that this is a porn game, right?
Ashe was also in no hurry to go to jail and did not stop Rachel. Namely, Natasha should have acted as the law requires and taken them to the police, but she did not do it, so they were lucky. Prison is always worse. Especially since Ashe is on Kitten's way to Natasha's house, that is, she herself wants Natasha to fuck her there.
The cop will be arrested for drug possession, you made a very funny joke.

 

[Dessolos]

damn can we go 1 week without this damn it is or isn't sexual harassment conversation not even fun anymore , since a certain someone can't accept certain people view the cop as giving off rapey vibes or being a sexual harasser. I for one am one of those people that thinks she gives of rapey vibes but at least I can accept others don't see it the same way.

On a side note I was thinking about Cleo the other day. I was starting to think given enough time and updates I can see Cleo being worst than the rape cop (lol forgot her name).

 

[Hungover00]

I wrote that the MC was dumb to get caught with drugs. She should choose a different place. Certainly not one that is well-known for being visited by drug users. Maybe smoke weed only at home. And she sure as hell shouldn't try to give her sister the pills. Or at the very least should take one in MC's house if she wanted to try it that much. She should probably spend a few days in jail for possession of those pills. And pay a fine too. To pay for her stupidity.
But yeah, the cop should definitely be at the very least fined for sexual harasment. She abused her authority the first time she stopped and searched the MC. At the gym that was clearly sexual harasment. The cop was not in uniform, so if the MC called the police on her, they could arrest her then and there. And at the dope house that was blackmail. So there.

Would be nice if they were legal and the cops could trouble themselves with something that might benefit society...

 

[Hungover00]

damn can we go 1 week without this damn it is or isn't sexual harassment conversation not even fun anymore , since a certain someone can't accept certain people view the cop as giving off rapey vibes or being a sexual harasser. I for one am one of those people that thinks she gives of rapey vibes but at least I can accept others don't see it the same way.

On a side note I was thinking about Cleo the other day. I was starting to think given enough time and updates I can see Cleo being worst than the rape cop (lol forgot her name).

'Rape apologists, everywhere...'

(not you, the other one)

 

[Rexermus]

'Rape apologists, everywhere...'

(not you, the other one)

It never ends, he'll never stop

 

[Dr. Mick]

To be fair, is only harassment if the player choose to rebuke Natasha, because then her advances become unwanted...

damn can we go 1 week without this damn it is or isn't sexual harassment conversation not even fun anymore ...

This is part of what I meant when I said making logical arguments against Natasha's behavior had become frivolous.
Even if a player chooses to have Ashe consent to Natasha's proclivities in the later scenes, none of the Natasha apologists and lovers can ever admit that she molested Ashe in their very first meeting, without consent of any kind.

No matter what choices you make after that, or how you feel about her, the first interaction with her is a sexual assault.
If somebody wants to continue that, it's entirely their choice, and I'm not trying to fault them for it, if that's how they choose to play.
All I ever wanted any of them to acknowledge was what happened in that first encounter, and that it makes some people uncomfortable with the character of Natasha because of that. But at this point I've run out of ideas.

 

[Cygnus X-1]

To be fair, is only harassment if the player choose to rebuke Natasha, because then her advances become unwanted. In any other case and before there's any blackmail involved, there's at least some form of consent, at minimun, there's curiosity from Ashe should the player choose to extend their interactions with Natasha

So being annoyed that someone else took a different route in a game of choices is a pretty silly thing, just like the whole discussion about it

MC in my play through refused her advances in every instance and wanted to end their interaction. In the confrontation with Rachel, Rachel pleaded with the cop, who offered her to not arrest them if they do something for her. So maybe the better term would be coercion. But she sure was in the first encounter and the third one abusing her authority. Which I still think would be bad for a police officer. The third time clearly for personal gain. Even if you argued that the first time in the street when she searched the MC was not sexual harassment the second time in the locker room was.
No matter the choices the cop character still has the same personality.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

Here's an idea, stop feeding the troll.

Just a thought.

 

[Cygnus X-1]

Here's an idea, stop feeding the troll.

Just a thought.

OK, sorry. I just got annoyed.

 

[Dr. Mick]

Here's an idea, stop feeding the troll.

Just a thought.

That's the thing. After a couple interactions with someone who argues in favor of Natasha's behavior I add them to the ignore list.
Then a week later someone else pops in and does it again. Rinse and repeat.

At this point I'm just hoping the ignore list doesn't have a maximum capacity.

 

[Dr. Mick]

OK, sorry. I just got annoyed.

That's more than understandable, and why I tried to warn you.

 

[Rexermus]

Here's an idea, stop feeding the troll.

Just a thought.

I swear some people on this forum are obsessed with drama as they refuse to stop feeding him. Everyone else says to stop and let it go but someone always comes back and mentions Natasha starting him up again

 

[Cygnus X-1]

I swear some people on this forum are obsessed with drama as they refuse to stop feeding him. Everyone else says to stop and let it go but someone always comes back and mentions Natasha starting him up again

I didn't read through the 150+ pages so I didn't know about him.

 

[Cygnus X-1]

On a side note I was thinking about Cleo the other day. I was starting to think given enough time and updates I can see Cleo being worst than the rape cop (lol forgot her name).

Rachel better move back in with her family. I didn't feel all that comfortable around her, but she seemed like big oaf later on. But better safe than sorry.

 

[Jbuster]

MC in my play through refused her advances in every instance and wanted to end their interaction. In the confrontation with Rachel, Rachel pleaded with the cop, who offered her to not arrest them if they do something for her. So maybe the better term would be coercion. But she sure was in the first encounter and the third one abusing her authority. Which I still think would be bad for a police officer. The third time clearly for personal gain. Even if you argued that the first time in the street when she searched the MC was not sexual harassment the second time in the locker room was.
No matter the choices the cop character still has the same personality.

That's why I wrote, "before there's any blackmail involved", at that point there's indeed coercion, and coercion from an authority to obtain a favor of sexual nature is indeed one of the many forms that sexual abuse can take. However the previous two instances are still formed given the choice of the player, I know this because I played at least a couple of times, either choosing to make Ashe more assertive, or more submissive

So, till the blackmail part, it can be, "I don't want this, never wanted this, this cop is an abusive person", or, "I allowed her advances and now she's worse", in both instantes Natasha is sill abusive, I shouldn't have to point this point, however to truly nail that point, one is always unwanted, and the other became at last unwanted, and that's pretty much what's going on at the moment, because we don't know what choices we'll have to either, get rid of Natasha so she won't bother Ashe anymore, or succumb to her because they player wants that, as this is still a game of choices

 

[Dr. Mick]

I swear some people on this forum are obsessed with drama as they refuse to stop feeding him. Everyone else says to stop and let it go but someone always comes back and mentions Natasha starting him up again

I know what you mean, and it's a vicious cycle.
People play the game, are disturbed by Natasha's behavior, and come to the forum to talk about it.
Unfortunately, they don't expect someone to argue in favor of assault or a cop abusing their power, and are blindsided by it.

It's in my nature to educate and try to help. So I try to lend a hand, but you're right; I should just refrain from saying anything.