JM24

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From what yall been saying I feel like the division of paths is offered a bit too soon...should have waited for another two updates before we get to choose a path...and the siren path certainly needs some fine tuning.
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But other than that if you're on the Kitten path this update is 5 out of 5.
 

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The criticism is warranted though. Why the hell would you have a dom/aggressive option only to have the character act otherwise?
Because it would be jarring to see a character who was afraid of her own shadow a chapter ago turn into a hard dom overnight. People didn't like that I said Ashe is meek by nature last time and now people are shocked that the story is portraying exactly that.
 

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Another explanation is perhaps people are confusing the Siren path with the dom path. Sirens come from Greek mythology, and they are basically master seductresses with their voice. So Ashe becoming a "siren" might not mean she becomes the "top" or the "giver", but rather someone who knows how to use her appeal to her ends. In that case she can still act timid and unresolved. Just a wild guess though, so don't be so sure about it.
 
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Because it would be jarring to see a character who was afraid of her own shadow a chapter ago turn into a hard dom overnight. People didn't like that I said Ashe is meek by nature last time and now people are shocked that the story is portraying exactly that.
I agree that Ashe needs time to embrace the changes that are required to make a dom path belivable, but from what I'm reading, as I haven't played the update, Ashe is not even taking a first step in that direction. It looks like Morrigan might have bitten more than she can chew making 3 paths. I guess we have to wait and see.
 

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Because it would be jarring to see a character who was afraid of her own shadow a chapter ago turn into a hard dom overnight. People didn't like that I said Ashe is meek by nature last time and now people are shocked that the story is portraying exactly that.
I'm backing this opinion it would be weird to see a timid character go from 0 to 100% and be dominant from the get go, dev probably will take his/her time developing this one we have seen Ashe have some brave moments in the game so in this case we will have to wait and see how this one goes.
 
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I agree that Ashe needs time to embrace the changes that are required to make a dom path belivable, but from what I'm reading, as I haven't played the update, Ashe is not even taking a first step in that direction. It looks like Morrigan might have bitten more than she can chew making 3 paths. I guess we have to wait and see.
True that's why I think a lil bit of fine-tuning would make it 100x better.

Suggestions for the fine-tune:
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And this is completely legit, because we have dom points, sub points and cuck points in game
And you need dom points for siren path
And the "vision/dream" Ashe has at the end of ch4 where the girls are "worshiping" her, the spirit of the route seems to be more dom than anything else.
 
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Because it would be jarring to see a character who was afraid of her own shadow a chapter ago turn into a hard dom overnight. People didn't like that I said Ashe is meek by nature last time and now people are shocked that the story is portraying exactly that.
Having a Hard time did it with the most recent update. Although it was certainly out of character, the locker scene with the 2 girls was awesome. Better than anything I've seen in this game combined.
 

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Having a Hard time did it with the most recent update. Although it was certainly out of character, the locker scene with the 2 girls was awesome. Better than anything I've seen in this game combined.
Well there you go then. It's about if you prefer illogical sensual fucking or natural character development. That said I do agree the siren path needs some fine-tuning. Wouldn't need to change much but just some slight adjustments here and there.
 

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Great update, as a cuck route main i am pleased with the content that it got. I played the other routes too and they are a nice additon to my experience. My small compiants would be these 2 things:
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Because it would be jarring to see a character who was afraid of her own shadow a chapter ago turn into a hard dom overnight. People didn't like that I said Ashe is meek by nature last time and now people are shocked that the story is portraying exactly that.
Except that she's meeker in this chapter than she was in the previous chapters. As laid out by my comment above. In spoilers of course. There are several events in the previous chapters where Ashe can choose a more dom option. In this chapter there is only Do you want to fuck Lexi yay or nah and "ask for a blowjob" that gets denied

Her stutter has been dialled up to eleven, again like I laid out in my previous comment. She is now base sub path that is meeker and far less fiery than she was prior to getting the 3 path options.

Once you've played this chapter, replay the previous ones. I'm really curious if you'd still think she was meeker before.

Well there you go then. It's about if you prefer illogical sensual fucking or natural character development. That said I do agree the siren path needs some fine-tuning. Wouldn't need to change much but just some slight adjustments here and there.
Just because it's slow or non-existent doesn't mean it's automatically logical or natural. If the MC started acting more confident or at least trying, I'd agree with you. But as it currently stands it's beyond just fine tuning. Most of the dialogue would need to be hauled over to start being believable for the siren route. As it's not just Ashe speaking differently, the other characters would be reacting differently to her as well.

Like I can understand if that's too much work, as it would require renders with different expressions from both Ashe and whoever she's interacting with.

The only reasonable alternative I can think of would be a more neutral path that can branch into dom, sub and cuck. At least when it comes to development time.

Even HAHT had more build up with the internal dialogue for the dom route. It's not a bolt out of the blue, though it is a heavy shift.
 

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Dang, so I guess Lexi is siren exclusive. Little upsetting cause kitten is my preferred path, and she was like the only other girl I wanted on this route, since I know all the main girls will be on all routes. She feels like the one left out for me. Little disappointed with this. I was going to pay today since I just did a replay, but after this info, I l'll just wait instead and may even skip this update entirely now.
 
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Have you played the update? Regarding what you've written for option 1 here one of those things does happen.
Yes but I only played the Kitten route. My knowledge on the Siren path is completely based on the comments I read here. Could you tell me which one of my suggestions does occur?
 

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Have you played the update? Regarding what you've written for option 1 here one of those things does happen.
Considering their answer is:
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This could be what they gathered from my messages, as I laid this out as what happened. Except for two.

The problem isn't the concept, it lies in the execution. She'd need to act different and she'd need to think differently. The dialogue is mostly the same no matter the path. That is the problem.

With point 3:
that could be an option, but she'd also need to change her inner dialogue. She'd need to start to try planning. To try and set up traps. Attempt to coax more information out of the blackmailer. She does literally none of that.

Importantly, when she gets the plug. She just shoves it up her ass. If you want her to dom route to make sense, she wouldn't first shove it up there to then get an option to remove it afterwards.


With point 1:
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For point 2:

Ashe essentially accidentally stands up for herself by catching the selfie stick of the influencer and then filming the influencer's wet pussy. Not at satisfying. As it's not an action she takes, it's something that passively happens to her.


Yes but I only played the Kitten route. My knowledge on the Siren path is completely based on the comments I read here. Could you tell me which one of my suggestions does occur?
I put in the context in the spoilers including my opinion about those events.
 
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But as it currently stands it's beyond just fine tuning. Most of the dialogue would need to be hauled over to start being believable for the siren route.
Well it's up to the dev then. That would take a lot more time and we will have to wait a lot longer for another update.
 
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The best example I got from meek to more confidence that's akin to this game is Confusion. Alex, the MC from confusion goes from a 1/10 to a 9/10 in confidence, but it did take 1 chapter. I still haven't played this episode but Ashe need a makeover in the siren path that would help bring her the confidence she needs.
 

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Well it's up to the dev then. That would take a lot more time and we will have to wait a lot longer for another update.
Yes, that's why I mentioned the alternative of staying neutral as the main path, and then having dom-sub-cuck branching off.

To be clear, I think the dev thinks that is what he's doing. The dialogue doesn't support that, the dev likely started with the sub route and then tried to tag on dom and cuck afterwards. With cuck that can work, with dom you're dealing with a polar opposite. It can't work.

Finally everything is ultimately up to the dev, it's their game. I'm not here to dictate what they must do. I'm here to critique and discuss my issues with the route and game in general. If the dev doesn't care for it, that's their prerogative.
 
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