VN Ren'Py Eruption Imminent [v0.6.1] [MorriganRae]

[RC-1138 Boss]

That is not wrong, once again, I'd say though that writing a bunch of unique first time scenes with the main Loveinterests would be absolutely reasonable to expect here, which is something you're free to disagree on ofc and I respect that. This VN basically has no choices, it's fully railroading the player into 3 paths and that's that. Were I the author I'd tag this as a kinetic novel & as a writer I 1000% support the decision to make kinetic novels, it's beyond most people's patience, free time and writing capabilities to create truly branching narratives and I'd advise anyone asking me against trying that unless they have a really well laid out plan and also the financial security to invest that much time into something that might not gain them money at all.

No it would not. For reasons already explained here and by the developer themselves in discord, that would create a mess of branching choices that would need to be adressed in all future updates.
Making a game is not just slaping some renders together with some dialogue lines.

Also no, this is not a kinetic novel. No matter how many times you try to sell this argument. If there are branching choices then the game is a visual novel.
We have three personality routes for Ashe plus possible relationship routes for Fiona, Natasha, Lexi and Kate already in the game (Zoey and Vanessa aren't yet locked on i think). All those are dependant on player's choices.

 

[Orphanus]

No it would not. For reasons already explained here and by the developer themselves in discord, that would create a mess of branching choices that would need to be adressed in all future updates.
Making a game is not just slaping some renders together with some dialogue lines.

Also no, this is not a kinetic novel. No matter how many times you try to sell this argument. If there are branching choices then the game is a visual novel.
We have three personality routes for Ashe plus possible relationship routes for Fiona, Natasha, Lexi and Kate already in the game (Zoey and Vanessa aren't yet locked on i think). All those are dependant on player's choices.

Again, in my opinion it would, since the game supposedly revolves around Ashe's relationships with the cast, but if you feel different and agree with the author I do respect that. The argument with the "branching choices that would need to be addressed" is invalid to me because we are talking about something that could be done in a somewhat reasonable fashion by just adding some additional lines to the individual first full sex scenes with any character in question. It's not the type of thing that requires "branches that would need to be addressed", especially not when the author at the same time claims the first time isn't a big deal. Also this logic would apply to any other choice as well, so it's arbitrarily taking away player agenda no matter what.

You are of course free to make the argument I'm wrong about the kinetic part but I again disagree, even if you are at least making a proper argument for why I'm wrong. Decisions only existing to set up 3 specific routes (and being locked into them by default) is the opposite of actually giving choices since it isn't about making decisions but about making sure not to make mistakes that lock you into a route you don't wanna see. That has nothing to do with freedom of choice, it's trying to pass a test & starting all over (or rather reloading) if it leads to the "wrong" route.

Edit: Just to make this clear: I'm merely writing down my thoughts and opinions, the author absolutely should write whatever they want, same way I should write my honest opinion on the result. Also I don't hate the game or anything, I merely find it disappointing and increasingly lackluster. Since a lot of that has to do with, or is solely based on, my personal preferences I'd still rate this game around 3,5-4 stars (resulting in 4 no matter what, as we can't give half stars here and giving 3 stars seems unkind and unreasonable to me) since I don't wanna be petty or make my own opinion the be all/end all.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Your opinion, or even mine means nothing. The definition of what is a kinetic novel is pretty clear about what can be classified as such.

It is very obvious you want to restart the same circular argument you kept repeating for several pages before just to come back to the, also circular, complaint about lack of agency.
I am not going there. Find someone else.

 

[Orphanus]

Your opinion, or even mine means nothing. The definition of what is a kinetic novel is pretty clear about what can be classified as such.

It is very obvious you want to restart the same circular argument you kept repeating for several pages before just to come back to the, also circular, complaint about lack of agency.
I am not going there. Find someone else.

The kinetic part is by no means the only aspect this was about & I stand by the argument I make that this isn't really offering decisions because of the way making choices until this update was mostly, if not exclusively, about not getting locked into a route one might not wanna follow.

Edit: In all fairness I have to accept that me saying this is a kinetic novel might be wrong, plain and simple. I take that. Doesn't change a thing about anything else we were debating though & you are not invalidating any of it by trying to pretend that this isn't a proper argument worth replying to but randomly accusing me of trolling just because I stand up for what I wrote back then even now. As you yourself write your (and everyone's) opinion is meaningless & nobody has to follow it, just because it's yours. (I say that cause you write "even mine" when actually your opinion is as important/unimportant as anyone else's)

No, I'm merely not convinced by you or the Dev on that point and therefore of course make the same argument since that is my point of view on the matter still. Obviously we don't have to debate it any further but there is no reason for you to get passive-aggressive because I'm not agreeing with you, it's nothing personal nor do I care to convince you of my opinion & it's certainly not an attempt to lure you into some pointless argument for my entertainment just because I'm not writing 'yes you are right I agree with all you said', that sorta drivel is below you.

 

[dolfe67]

Changelog v0.5.0:

• Added Episode 5 with 2065 new renders
• Added 19 new songs and a bunch of new SFX
• Changed some minor UI things
• Fixed some typos and grammar in earlier episodes

 

[InkAndSaliva]

Spoiler: The Neverending Argument

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[dolfe67]

Pin-Ups #12 - Natasha (1080p)



(Enjoy the favorite character of this thread )

 

[Xomyt1asha]

yes!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

There is such a society. In a PORN GAMES. There are explicit rapes, without consent. And rough seductions. And that's normal for a porn game. And in this game there is only harassment. What world are you from that you call this rape? Natasha did NOT rape anyone in the game. Maybe you just don't know what rape is? Spoiler: it's not just showing your dick to someone.

To be fair there may be a rape attempt in the Kitten Ashe route. If Ashe tries to refuse her advances the only way out is by hitting Natasha in the nuts.

That being said i don't believe Natasha is written as a dom as some guy (who got his innapropriated remarks deleted) said. She is (well) written as a corrupt cop that blackmails people in exchange for sexual favors.

Now Vanessa i dare to say is written as a character with some dominant features. With the way that she leaves even a Siren Ashe wanting for more after their making out.

 

[Orphanus]

To be fair there may be a rape attempt in the Kitten Ashe route. If Ashe tries to refuse her advances the only way out is by hitting Natasha in the nuts.

That being said i don't believe Natasha is written as a dom [...]. She is (well) written as a corrupt cop that blackmails people in exchange for sexual favors.

If that is the intention behind how she's written then yes, definitely a fair assessment. (I excluded the part about the other guy cause I won't judge if what they wrote was appropriate or not)

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

I get the feeling Natasha is the corruption route of this game.
Her route seems similar to what i saw in several games featuring corruption. Where some character tries to blackmail the protagonist into sexual acts or the protagonist is the one doing the blackmail.

 

[Kontralta]

To be fair there may be a rape attempt in the Kitten Ashe route. If Ashe tries to refuse her advances the only way out is by hitting Natasha in the nuts.

That being said i don't believe Natasha is written as a dom as some guy (who got his innapropriated remarks deleted) said. She is (well) written as a corrupt cop that blackmails people in exchange for sexual favors.

If Natasha wanted to rape Ashe, she would have done it, no tricks involved. She knows that Ashe wants her without admitting it. Everything she does is to make Ashe admit it and get what she wants. It's not rape, attempted rape, or coercion.

Natasha is not shown as a corrupt cop or blackmailing anyone. She's doing her job. The first time she caught Ashe, she let her go, even though she was grabbing her ass. And if she were a rapist, she wouldn't have stopped there. And when she found Ashe and Rachel with their pockets full of drugs, she should have sent them to jail, but Rachel said they would do anything if she forgave their crime. Did Natasha do a bad thing by agreeing? On the contrary, these two fools were very lucky that Natasha was there, wanting to fuck Ashe, and not some other cop who would send them to jail without a word. And again, Natasha could have forced them to have sex on the spot, as Ashe feared, but even that didn’t happen.

 

[GossHarag]

Is it optional? Even after saying a firm No at the Gym, the Rapist cop still tries to sexually harass and if you completely tell her off, describes you as cocksleeve and decides to ruin your life, calling Ashe a cunt, then its not optional. Its an inherent part of the story. And the Dev loves to dump even sexual trauma on Ashe, as if her unresolved trauma with her mentor's death isn't enough.

Mentor?

 

[Orphanus]

I get the feeling Natasha is the corruption route of this game.
Her route seems similar to what i saw in several games featuring corruption. Where some character tries to blackmail the protagonist into sexual acts or the protagonist is the one doing the blackmail.

That is quite possible & as long as she is supposed to be a vile jerk it's certainly done in a good way, as you said. Also it's not as if it speaks ill of anyone to like her content, if she was more like Vanessa (who's stunt at that dinner date was really stupid and of course a terrible idea + a mean af thing to do) who seems much more immature than malicious towards Ashe (who was imho collateral damage, Vanessa didn't think through how the whole event would impact Ashe) I'd feel a lot more interested in Natasha's side of things.

Also I must say that I'm grateful for finally having an option to have Ashe fight back against her, even on the kitten path (much more after subby stuff than the protag acting dominant) which was a concern of mine that is therefore solved & I have to take that into account now, given that the paths are locked in beforehand so what I said about the choices in the game up to that point does not apply here & that choice does definitely mean something to me, don't mind if that is silly on my end.
Edit: So I accept being in the wrong about the kinetic novel thing, I should have played version 0.5 first to see how it's handled instead of getting in my head about fearing the Kitten path leaves no way out of Natasha's grasp.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

If Natasha wanted to rape Ashe, she would have done it, no tricks involved. She knows that Ashe wants her without admitting it. Everything she does is to make Ashe admit it and get what she wants. It's not rape, attempted rape, or coercion.

Natasha is not shown as a corrupt cop or blackmailing anyone. She's doing her job. The first time she caught Ashe, she let her go, even though she was grabbing her ass. And if she were a rapist, she wouldn't have stopped there. And when she found Ashe and Rachel with their pockets full of drugs, she should have sent them to jail, but Rachel said they would do anything if she forgave their crime. Did Natasha do a bad thing by agreeing? On the contrary, these two fools were very lucky that Natasha was there, wanting to fuck Ashe, and not some other cop who would send them to jail without a word. And again, Natasha could have forced them to have sex on the spot, as Ashe feared, but even that didn’t happen.

What?
it is literaly one of the possible choices in Natasha's route in this update. Kitten Ashe is either there for the sex or if she refuses she needs to resort to self defense to escape.
Also a cop who doesn't do her job but instead uses it to score some ass/pussy is the textbook definition of corrupt.

But yeah i am not talking about anymore. Seems like another circular argument.

Mentor?

Without the unoficial patch that is how the relationships are set.

 

[Vernalcash]

Natasha is not shown as a corrupt cop or blackmailing anyone. She's doing her job. The first time she caught Ashe, she let her go, even though she was grabbing her ass.

You are contradicting yourself.
I said it before i'll say it again, you can like a character and admit that she's a piece of shit, this is fiction not real life, it's ok to enjoy it.
At this point I'm convinced you're trolling and won't be answerig anymore.

 

[OneWayMissile]

Changelog for this version?

 

[Birdnman993]

If Natasha wanted to rape Ashe, she would have done it, no tricks involved. She knows that Ashe wants her without admitting it. Everything she does is to make Ashe admit it and get what she wants. It's not rape, attempted rape, or coercion.

Natasha is not shown as a corrupt cop or blackmailing anyone. She's doing her job. The first time she caught Ashe, she let her go, even though she was grabbing her ass. And if she were a rapist, she wouldn't have stopped there. And when she found Ashe and Rachel with their pockets full of drugs, she should have sent them to jail, but Rachel said they would do anything if she forgave their crime.

I like Natasha too, I think her scene is one of the sexiest things in the update, but dude it is impossible to deny that Natasha is a corrupt police officer, you literally said it yourself, instead of taking them to jail she tells them to go to her apartment and do her other "favors" is the basic definition of corruption.

 

[dolfe67]

Changelog for this version?

https://f95zone.to/threads/eruption-imminent-v0-5-0-morriganrae.160930/post-15205745

 

[doovel]

But in that case this is a kinetic novel (and a tonally inconsistent one at that), aside from the fact that I personally don't exactly agree with you here but that doesn't mean you're wrong or that I'm necessarily 100% right or that there is only either/or here.

Edit: Also it seems kinda self-explanatory to me that building a healthy relationship with a single, trustworthy person instead of sleeping around with a bunch of uncaring and selfish people who are mostly just using Ashe for their satisfaction is definitely much more prone to be a step-stone on the way to overcoming her issues and mentally healing. There is nothing wrong with monogamy, especially not in Ashe's situation, which is not to say polygamy is a bad thing either. Why take away any sort of player agency in such an important aspect? More importantly though why try to act as if this is about making decisions when you railroad the player into so much stuff? Just seems kinda dishonest to me personally.

The monogamy way would make a lot of sense on the kitten route, she would just have to find the right person. On the siren route I can see it going either way. Working through her issues herself whilst wetting her whistle, or by doing so with a cutie with a booty in a monogamous way. Either way *can* work. But might be hard to pull off.

The second part of your edit is what has me baffled as well, not just doing so arbitrarily but also the amount of people defending it. Yes you can’t take that to the n-th degree, no one is asking for that. No one is asking for granular control either. We’re all aware it’s an AVN, it has to be on rails to a certain extent. But binary choices for yes/no on sex scenes should be A given.