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Don't you know, built people with big dongs and darker skin are either rapist assholes or love cucking. They can't be loving people. they don't have compassion, empathy and are incapable of loving someone wholeheartedly.

I want to see one game where a black guy is not a cucker, is a protagonist, is a loving person and not a brutish rapist. I am always reminded of Terry Jeffords and how he is the sweetest, kindest person on Brooklyn 99 and sometimes hope a character like him is created in porn games. A black character with a genuinely loving and kind heart and actually charismatic and charming instead of rapist asshole who thinks his big cock is the ultimate cucking device.
There's a latina dom cop in a game (A Shot in the Dark) that's very big on consent, but that's the closest I can think of.
 
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There's a latina dom cop in a game (A Shot in the Dark) that's very big on consent, but that's the closest I can think of.
As a fan of that game, that's one of my favourite characters. It's very rare to find actually well-written dom characters in games nowadays and that's a really good example of one.
 
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As a fan of that game, that's one of my favourite characters. It's very rare to find actually well-written dom characters in games nowadays and that's a really good example of one.
I'm not normally a fan of femdom, but that was it done right. Plus the safeword mechanic was so well done. Burned into my brain as an example of good practices for dom in VNs. And a cop character I didn't immediately hate, which is also rare!
 

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I'd agree with you except the CQ route seems like a fantasy alternate reality, where fundamentals of characters change. I don't think you can take examples from the CQ route and infer them back to the character's attributes in general.

But CQ Rachel is a shitty person, that I'll agree on.
I'd agree with you except the CQ route seems like a fantasy alternate reality, where fundamentals of characters change. I don't think you can take examples from the CQ route and infer them back to the character's attributes in general.

But CQ Rachel is a shitty person, that I'll agree on.
And perhaps this is why I hate NTR in games where it was not meant to have a sole concept because it relies on this suspension of disbelief that the character in that NTR route just gave up all their morals and became a cheating wench just for the excitement.

There is another game, called Bound By Lust, which has some of the highest rated Honey Select custom animations you can ever find and the Dev improves with each update. In that if you choose NTR as an option, one major character who is like a aunt figure and a milf seems decent and morally upright person. When the MC romances them, they have to undergo a huge arc before he can have romantic hardcore scenes with her.

Yet if you choose NTR as option, there is such a tonal shift because in only one event the Cucking character literally treats and uses that MILF figure as a literal toilet and has more hardcore scenes than anything in the game because Dev is using their highest skill to craft these animations. I was surprised with this like was she always like this? I asked Dev and they said they don't have time to develop a NTR relationship. A fan asked them so they made it as quickly as possible and focused an entire update on upending her own character.
 

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There's a latina dom cop in a game (A Shot in the Dark) that's very big on consent, but that's the closest I can think of.
But she was a female character albeit a cop. I was asking about male black characters those that are consistently stereotyped.
 

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I'd agree with you except the CQ route seems like a fantasy alternate reality, where fundamentals of characters change. I don't think you can take examples from the CQ route and infer them back to the character's attributes in general.

But CQ Rachel is a shitty person, that I'll agree on.
I think CQ route is still believable for now if you go with the theory that Evelyn is getting spiked with elysium.

-CQ Lexi: Already made my argument above that she is pretty slutty either way, but she gets way more hammered in the CQ route so could explain her behavior

-CQ Zoey: She flashed you during the pizza delivery, if you don't give Fiona a handy yourself she will suck her off in front of you during the sleepover, then she has sex with Ashe and lets her know she isn't looking for a serious relationship. Those are all canon events from before the route split. Really not out of character she would have a fling with a literal pornstar if she ran into one during her vacations (Jordan is one of the porn actresses in that gangbang porn video Ashe can watch early in the game)

-CQ Evelyn: This is the one who behaves the most out of character in the story...until you consider the possibility that she is being spiked with elysium. Outside of the CQ route, the game makes a point to mention that Stella took her out for dinner to eat oysters (game explicitely points out they are an aphrodisiac), but that ultimately she didn't really feel things click enough and she decided to stop things at the dinner itself.
Now consider the idea that in the CQ route, instead of using something basic like oysters to get Evelyn in the mood that Stella would instead use Elysium, a strong aphrodisiac drug the game soon reveals that it easily dissolves in water and is tasteless. Then take that thought and consider how much emphasis Stella's introduction places on the glass of water she was holding in the kitchen when Ashe runs into her, and how the water in the glass was faintly bubbly when she sets it down on the counter.
I fully believe that might have been a hint that Stella was taking elysium to make the sex even better for herself too, which also helps explain her extremely degenerate behavior in letting Ashe watch and masturbate herself while watching them. If she had elysium for herself, not hard to assume she could have spiked Evelyn.

-CQ Rachel: I don't know, Rachel is mysterious. Some people are convinced she is already up to no good regardless of the CQ route so hard to gauge her character. Even if she is a good person with no dark secrets being kept from Ashe, I could see the CQ route for her playing out like she gets super pissed about Ashe being so overprotective despite the fact they agreed that Rachel would never romantically belong to Ashe so she plays into Natasha's mindgames just to spite Ashe.
 

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But she was a female character albeit a cop. I was asking about male black characters those that are consistently stereotyped.
Agreed, that's why I said the 'closest I could think of' because it ticked 2 out of 3 boxes. I think there's some black best friend characters sprinkled around that avoid the fetishization, but no black men that are LIs, just bulls to cuck and steal. It's pretty sad.
 
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I think CQ route is still believable for now if you go with the theory that Evelyn is getting spiked with elysium.

-CQ Lexi: Already made my argument above that she is pretty slutty either way, but she gets way more hammered in the CQ route so could explain her behavior

-CQ Zoey: She flashed you during the pizza delivery, if you don't give Fiona a handy yourself she will suck her off in front of you during the sleepover, then she has sex with Ashe and lets her know she isn't looking for a serious relationship. Those are all canon events from before the route split. Really not out of character she would have a fling with a literal pornstar if she ran into one during her vacations (Jordan is one of the porn actresses in that gangbang porn video Ashe can watch early in the game)

-CQ Evelyn: This is the one who behaves the most out of character in the story...until you consider the possibility that she is being spiked with elysium. Outside of the CQ route, the game makes a point to mention that Stella took her out for dinner to eat oysters (game explicitely points out they are an aphrodisiac), but that ultimately she didn't really feel things click enough and she decided to stop things at the dinner itself.
Now consider the idea that in the CQ route, instead of using something basic like oysters to get Evelyn in the mood that Stella would instead use Elysium, a strong aphrodisiac drug the game soon reveals that it easily dissolves in water and is tasteless. Then take that thought and consider how much emphasis Stella's introduction places on the glass of water she was holding in the kitchen when Ashe runs into her, and how the water in the glass was faintly bubbly when she sets it down on the counter.
I fully believe that might have been a hint that Stella was taking elysium to make the sex even better for herself too, which also helps explain her extremely degenerate behavior in letting Ashe watch and masturbate herself while watching them. If she had elysium for herself, not hard to assume she could have spiked Evelyn.

-CQ Rachel: I don't know, Rachel is mysterious. Some people are convinced she is already up to no good regardless of the CQ route so hard to gauge her character. Even if she is a good person with no dark secrets being kept from Ashe, I could see the CQ route for her playing out like she gets super pissed about Ashe being so overprotective despite the fact they agreed that Rachel would never romantically belong Ashe so she plays into Natasha's mindgames just to spite Ashe.
I generally agree with all of this, just with a few caveats for Evelyn and Rachel.
We don't know Evelyn that well, Ashe doesn't exactly come off as someone who has deep conversations with her mom, and Evelyn doesn't come off as someone who talks about her sexlife openly, so she could very well be more on the promiscuous side but that Ashe hasn't ever noticed it before.
It's information that we aren't privy to, so while getting drugged is honestly the more logical explanation since NTR routes thoroughly loves corruption and having a mother-figure get drugged/manipulated over time to become a wanton slut is entirely within that alley, there could also be the explanation that it's simply the way she's been yet she hasn't really had the desire or time to act on it due to the loss of her partner.

And Rachel, honestly, it's hard for me to see her as someone who doesn't act after a selfish agenda, so I can definitely see her going way too far just to spite Ashe because 'it's her life and she gets to choose, not Ashe' type of deal, I can equally see that girl doing this because she enjoys using her sister as a twisted sexual outlet as she knows Ashe can never have her, so she enjoys tormenting her that way.

Other than that however, I fully agree with the assessment of the other characters, especially that Lexi seems to naturally be more slutty than what most seem to assume.

EDIT- honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Rachel talked Evelyn into dating again, given Rachel's.. peculiar sexual interest which seems to be centered around Ashe, she might have thought that she could have a double whammy there. Though it's unlikely as she clearly has no idea whether or not Ashe has any interest in Evelyn to begin with, but it popped up into my head once I started thinking about how Rachel is currently acting and what she's like.
 
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I think CQ route is still believable for now if you go with the theory that Evelyn is getting spiked with elysium.

-CQ Lexi: Already made my argument above that she is pretty slutty either way, but she gets way more hammered in the CQ route so could explain her behavior

-CQ Zoey: She flashed you during the pizza delivery, if you don't give Fiona a handy yourself she will suck her off in front of you during the sleepover, then she has sex with Ashe and lets her know she isn't looking for a serious relationship. Those are all canon events from before the route split. Really not out of character she would have a fling with a literal pornstar if she ran into one during her vacations (Jordan is one of the porn actresses in that gangbang porn video Ashe can watch early in the game)

-CQ Evelyn: This is the one who behaves the most out of character in the story...until you consider the possibility that she is being spiked with elysium. Outside of the CQ route, the game makes a point to mention that Stella took her out for dinner to eat oysters (game explicitely points out they are an aphrodisiac), but that ultimately she didn't really feel things click enough and she decided to stop things at the dinner itself.
Now consider the idea that in the CQ route, instead of using something basic like oysters to get Evelyn in the mood that Stella would instead use Elysium, a strong aphrodisiac drug the game soon reveals that it easily dissolves in water and is tasteless. Then take that thought and consider how much emphasis Stella's introduction places on the glass of water she was holding in the kitchen when Ashe runs into her, and how the water in the glass was faintly bubbly when she sets it down on the counter.
I fully believe that might have been a hint that Stella was taking elysium to make the sex even better for herself too, which also helps explain her extremely degenerate behavior in letting Ashe watch and masturbate herself while watching them. If she had elysium for herself, not hard to assume she could have spiked Evelyn.

-CQ Rachel: I don't know, Rachel is mysterious. Some people are convinced she is already up to no good regardless of the CQ route so hard to gauge her character. Even if she is a good person with no dark secrets being kept from Ashe, I could see the CQ route for her playing out like she gets super pissed about Ashe being so overprotective despite the fact they agreed that Rachel would never romantically belong to Ashe so she plays into Natasha's mindgames just to spite Ashe.
You make good points, but I still think they point to an alternate reality. Why did Zoey run into that pornstar (good catch, I missed where she was from, though she looked familiar) on 1 of 3 routes, and not the others? Or at least take her back to fuck? Because as you point out, she's a bit of a good time girl with no commitment to Ashe, so why wouldn't she take the opportunity on the Siren and Kitten paths?

And why did Stella not spike Evelyn on those other two paths? My point is that the Siren and Kitten paths are different because of Ashe's actions, the CQ path is different because the world around Ashe is different (though Lexi is pretty much Ashe's fault in how it plays out differently). With Rachel it's hard to tell if it's because Ashe chose to let her be exposed to Natasha, so it is her fault, or if Rachel/Natasha act differently (or Elysium strikes again) in that different timeline.
 
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Agreed, that's why I said the 'closest I could think of' because it ticked 2 out of 3 boxes. I think there's some black best friend characters sprinkled around that avoid the fetishization, but no black men that are LIs, just bulls to cuck and steal. It's pretty sad.
See you get it isn't it. How not a single game has a black male with good personality and not stereotypes is present in this entire site. Because Black Guys exist for Interracial Cuckolding and NTR. They are in that box for Developers, apparently.
 
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How nice to come back from work and see such an active forum, now it's my turn.
This will likely not be a popular opinion with some of the people in here, but yeah, I've always kind of felt like Rachel is just a shit individual from the get-go.
Of course, to each their own, people are more than welcome to like Rachel but from my personal perspective, it's very hard for me to understand.
That's why since I found out everything that happened between them I said to myself "fuck it" if you don't want my poor Ashe all shy and lonely don't look for me when she's an Alpha, or being a Kitty surrounded by strong women who protect her from bitches who abandon sisters.

Maybe I'll look at the route out of curiosity but it clearly won't be my priority.
I'd agree with you except the CQ route seems like a fantasy alternate reality, where fundamentals of characters change. I don't think you can take examples from the CQ route and infer them back to the character's attributes in general.

But CQ Rachel is a shitty person, that I'll agree on.
I think the same, they all seem like an alternate version of themselves to fit a CQ fantasy, but for those who don't enjoy that it leaves you feeling bad, I only tried it to see what it was like and honestly I'd rather not touch it again, Zoey's scene was really humiliating, technically they're not a couple, but having a Monkey bigger than Ashe come and roll his eyes at her leaves you with a bitter taste in your mouth.

I think that's why different routes are necessary because the world radically changes personality.
 

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See you get it isn't it. How not a single game has a black male with good personality and not stereotypes is present in this entire site. Because Black Guys exist for Interracial Cuckolding and NTR. They are in that box for Developers, apparently.
Gay best friend of the MMC is the other niche.

It's fucking bleak.
 

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Gay best friend of the MMC is the other niche.

It's fucking bleak.
Come home comes to my mind. Best Bisexual protagonist. Best Bisexual Asian partner. Consensual group sex, best trans character as your partner. Honestly that is the game where I like playing as Bisexual protagonist.
 

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How nice to come back from work and see such an active forum, now it's my turn.

That's why since I found out everything that happened between them I said to myself "fuck it" if you don't want my poor Ashe all shy and lonely don't look for me when she's an Alpha, or being a Kitty surrounded by strong women who protect her from bitches who abandon sisters.

Maybe I'll look at the route out of curiosity but it clearly won't be my priority.

I think the same, they all seem like an alternate version of themselves to fit a CQ fantasy, but for those who don't enjoy that it leaves you feeling bad, I only tried it to see what it was like and honestly I'd rather not touch it again, Zoey's scene was really humiliating, technically they're not a couple, but having a Monkey bigger than Ashe come and roll his eyes at her leaves you with a bitter taste in your mouth.

I think that's why different routes are necessary because the world radically changes personality.
Just use Unren tool and see the images of each day and even check out the .rpy file using notepad++ to understand whats going in the alternate path.
 

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You make good points, but I still think they point to an alternate reality. Why did Zoey run into that pornstar (good catch, I missed where she was from, though she looked familiar) on 1 of 3 routes, and not the others? Or at least take her back to fuck? Because as you point out, she's a bit of a good time girl with no commitment to Ashe, so why wouldn't she take the opportunity on the Siren and Kitten paths?

And why did Stella not spike Evelyn on those other two paths? My point is that the Siren and Kitten paths are different because of Ashe's actions, the CQ path is different because the world around Ashe is different (though Lexi is pretty much Ashe's fault in how it plays out differently). With Rachel it's hard to tell if it's because Ashe chose to let her be exposed to Natasha, so it is her fault, or if Rachel/Natasha act differently (or Elysium strikes again) in that different timeline.
I agree with you in the sense of "alternate universe" that events transpired differently, but not that the characters themselves are just suddenly different from their usual selves (the cheap corruption trope of just writing the character as a secret slut to someone that isn't the MC).

EDIT: So yeah, outside of CQ route Alex never ran into Jordan, Stella didn't think of spiking Evelyn, the baseline characters are still the same people, they didn't just have a sudden character shift when you picked CQ route, just events transpired differently and led into situations where the MC can only watch instead of participate.
I think the same, they all seem like an alternate version of themselves to fit a CQ fantasy, but for those who don't enjoy that it leaves you feeling bad, I only tried it to see what it was like and honestly I'd rather not touch it again, Zoey's scene was really humiliating, technically they're not a couple, but having a Monkey bigger than Ashe come and roll his eyes at her leaves you with a bitter taste in your mouth.

I think that's why different routes are necessary because the world radically changes personality.
Again, I'm never arguing for people that aren't into NTR being forced into seeing NTR.

For Zoey's case, it would simply be a matter of adding a menu option before she reveals who her "friend" is IF your cuckscore is already high enough. If your cuck score is low enough the menu won't even display and she just introduces her friend as being her vibrator, if your cuck score is high enough the menu option lets you choose if what she brought to videofeed and introduced as her "friend" was a person (tagged as being a cuck option) or her vibrator.

If you pick vibrator you get the normal Siren/Kitten scene, if you pick person you get the CQ scene, simple as that we now have the option of all the content being available at the moment of the decision without tying it to some random decision hours earlier in the playthrough.
 
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Agreed, that's why I said the 'closest I could think of' because it ticked 2 out of 3 boxes. I think there's some black best friend characters sprinkled around that avoid the fetishization, but no black men that are LIs, just bulls to cuck and steal. It's pretty sad.
If you're looking for examples of non-evil black men who cheat, in "Nothing Is Forever" there's a black guy who's pretty cool and teaches at a gym and is obviously muscular, the twist is that he's a cuckold in the story, which causes problems in his relationship with a DOM woman.

In "Acting Lessons" the MC's black best friend is a bread with the MC.

In "Superhuman" the MC's best friend start out as rivals fighting over a girl all the time but eventually they sort out their differences and become BBFs.
 
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If you're looking for examples of non-evil black men who cheat, in "Nothing Is Forever" there's a black guy who's pretty cool and teaches at a gym and is obviously muscular, the twist is that he's a cuckold in the story, which causes problems in his relationship with a DOM woman.

In "Acting Lessons" the MC's black best friend is a bread with the MC.

In "Superhuman" the MC's best friend start out as rivals fighting over a girl all the time but eventually they sort out their differences and become BBFs.
Please don't mention Superhuman. I finally got rid of everything related to that game. That game had me in a similar grip of controversy like Eruption Imminent because of how frequently things changed with the hidden scores because you bought a different thing whose effect you get three chapters later.

But the final seal in the deal was when there was blue haired character who in the huge war arc against the main bitch villain gets killed out of nowhere by that bitches collected soldiers because of what exactly even I don't know and she is brutally killed in a manner that she can't be resurrected. She was slowly getting to cozy up with the protagonist and then bam out of nowhere a blue crystal sphere gets pierced into her throat and then it explodes destroying her head. At that point I realized, yeah I am no longer playing this game.

Its a good game but not knowing what exactly affects what character which even led to death of potential LIs, thats a big no no for me. Just mention of that game gives me anxiety. And I am afraid that this game will end with the Rapist Cop finally winning, just like in real life. And Ashe will be the sore loser with so much trauma that no amount of therapy or drugs will help her.
 
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If you're looking for examples of non-evil black men who cheat, in "Nothing Is Forever" there's a black guy who's pretty cool and teaches at a gym and is obviously muscular, the twist is that he's a cuckold in the story, which causes problems in his relationship with a DOM woman.

In "Acting Lessons" the MC's black best friend is a bread with the MC.

In "Superhuman" the MC's best friend start out as rivals fighting over a girl all the time but eventually they sort out their differences and become BBFs.
I forgot about Nothing is Forever. Mostly because that is my least played route (well, tied with the evil cheater path), hard femdom isn't my bag.

I kind of saved Acting Lessons for some undetermined date in the future (Leap of Faith as well, though I was probably 2/3 or 4/5ths of the way through when I paused). Similar with Superhuman, iirc, though I may not come back to that. It's a good game, but subjectively not to my tastes.
 

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Did anyone else feel the same way about "Fiona's sudden interest"?
I mean, Ashe says they're best friends and all, Ashe clearly has an interest in her but it was just "Fiona finds out Ashe is a duplo and boom, she performs cunnilingus and then they have sex"
I mean, good for Ashe, who always had feelings about it, but, isn't it a little weird/hypocritical on Fiona's part?

I'll go even further: It almost seems like she fetishized her best friend, you know?
I mean, Fiona may have always hidden this feeling, but "Just after Ashe to tell her about the secret and see a duplo that she gave in to the feeling."
Anyway, I'm still thinking about all this, clearly this line of thinking has flaws.
 

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Did anyone else feel the same way about "Fiona's sudden interest"?
I mean, Ashe says they're best friends and all, Ashe clearly has an interest in her but it was just "Fiona finds out Ashe is a duplo and boom, she performs cunnilingus and then they have sex"
I mean, good for Ashe, who always had feelings about it, but, isn't it a little weird/hypocritical on Fiona's part?

I'll go even further: It almost seems like she fetishized her best friend, you know?
I mean, Fiona may have always hidden this feeling, but "Just after Ashe to tell her about the secret and see a duplo that she gave in to the feeling."
Anyway, I'm still thinking about all this, clearly this line of thinking has flaws.
It has flaws but it's something to keep in mind, I also thought it was very abrupt to the point where I was considering that she might have had lingering feelings for Ashe, but nothing really stood out to affirm that point.
It also might be that Fiona is completely unattracted to regular futas but when she found out that Ashe was packing some double trouble, that combined with already being quite close together might have fueled some sort of twisted attraction, but that also ties in with a discussion that people were having earlier in that if it's truly the case where her attraction entirely hinges on a pussy, then Fiona is very unlikely to be willing to be penetrated.

I'm not sure which, but I do agree that it's pretty weird from her part. I personally don't have her as an LI of any kind since I just viewed her as a necessary friend due to Ashe basically having no one else to truly depend on.
 
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