VN Ren'Py Eruption Imminent [v0.6.1] [MorriganRae]

[Hungover00]

Yeah, that's unfortunately quite common with most current devs it seems, they have a very shallow understanding of certain concepts and then execute them without actually understanding the core of what makes those concepts work.
Though I am always surprised with people who misunderstand dom/sub dynamics because it's taking the very base of a relationship, that of give and take, simply to an extreme level. It isn't hard to understand at all, it's essentially quite simple, just a very focused type of simple.

It kind of makes me question if devs even understand the basis of a romantic relationship to begin with.

"healthy romantic relationship" is what might be missing in understanding. There's a lot of unhealthy relationships out there, and they may even work. But they could be extremely dysfunctional.

I'm not sure if that saying, "All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." works for romantic relationships.

 

[Hungover00]

I get where you are coming from but idk to me it's still one mistake and I do consider 1 year a short amount of time maybe Ashe doesn't but im not able to step foot into a MC only on how I feel personally. For me it wasn't until she got the courage to talk to her she even started to make a attempt to make amends but I never thought she was a bad person for what she did. I just chalked up as 1 big mistake everyone gets one unless it's something extremely bad for me.

1 year at 18-19 is pretty huge, subjectively. Especially for a twin, and basically leaving things in an adversarial state. Whether she's good, or okay, or not, I hope is yet to come.

I hope it'll work out for them.

 

[Ciaran8023]

"healthy romantic relationship" is what might be missing in understanding. There's a lot of unhealthy relationships out there, and they may even work. But they could be extremely dysfunctional.

I'm not sure if that saying, "All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." works for romantic relationships.

Yeah you're entirely right about that, I should have worded it better.
Or a lot of them simply have no experience to speak of at all, given that a lot of current games seem to all build very specific and very similar characters to play the "dom" so to speak, so it could be that one dev had experiences with a dysfunctional relationship that may have masqueraded itself as a dom/sub dynamic, and the other devs simply copied that variant.

Regardless of what the reason might be, it definitely is grating to say the least to always encounter the same trope over and over again as a dom/sub dynamic can be incredibly good when done well, even in my eyes even though I don't really care much for it.

1 year at 18-19 is pretty huge, subjectively. Especially for a twin, and basically leaving things in an adversarial state. Whether she's good, or okay, or not, I hope is yet to come.

I hope it'll work out for them.

Also I'd like to second this.
Being betrayed by your twin during your formative years is sure to leave a pretty severe impact both emotionally and psychologically, even non-subjectively, our experiences during our formative years have the most impact on how we turn out as people if we're to follow science aswell.

 

[doovel]

I get where you are coming from but idk to me it's still one mistake and I do consider 1 year a short amount of time maybe Ashe doesn't but im not able to step foot into a MC only on how I feel personally. For me it wasn't until she got the courage to talk to her she even started to make a attempt to make amends but I never thought she was a bad person for what she did. I just chalked up as 1 big mistake everyone gets one unless it's something extremely bad for me.

What I mean is that she's essentially making a long series of mistakes. So if you want to count per day, that's still 365 mistakes. That is 365 times she decided her feeling weird about the situation was more important than resolving the situation.

In reality she likely thought far more than 365 times about her and Ashe. Yet every time she decided not only to not do anything about it, she kept going no-contact with her sister.

and I do consider 1 year a short amount of time maybe Ashe doesn't but im not able to step foot into a MC only on how I feel personally.

That's quite the sentence to essentially say you're really old . (I jest)

 

[Dessolos]

1 year at 18-19 is pretty huge, subjectively. Especially for a twin, and basically leaving things in an adversarial state. Whether she's good, or okay, or not, I hope is yet to come.

I hope it'll work out for them.

yeah like I said I can't put myself in a MC's shoes so I only go on personal feeling. For me I just count it as 1 big mistake but nothing to hold a grudge over since it's only a year now if it was multiple years different story.

What I mean is that she's essentially making a long series of mistakes. So if you want to count per day, that's still 365 mistakes. That is 365 times she decided her feeling weird about the situation was more important than resolving the situation.

In reality she likely thought far more than 365 times about her and Ashe. Yet every time she decided not only to not do anything about it, she kept going no-contact with her sister.

Yeah for me personally I just count that as 1 mistake for me but I get what you are saying just how I feel and my forgiving personality.

 

[doovel]

yeah like I said I can't put myself in a MC's shoes so I only go on personal feeling. For me I just count it as 1 big mistake but nothing to hold a grudge over since it's only a year now if it was multiple years different story.

I'm guessing you don't have siblings then?

Try to imagine it was someone you were growing up with and they suddenly decided to leave and go no-contact for a year. Someone you saw every day as you were living in the same house. You saw each other at breakfast and at dinner. You watched TV together, you frequently chatted with this person. Had deep conversations. Until suddenly one day they just vanished for 365 days.

 

[doovel]

Yeah for me personally I just count that as 1 mistake for me but I get what you are saying just how I feel and my forgiving personality.

I can be forgiving of someone, even if it's a series of mistakes. Depending on how egregious the mistakes are. However it would require proper reconciliation. Not just one conversation and a hug, I would need to see change and continuous effort from them. So far Rachel's has been low effort. And if you count the CQ version of her, the exact opposite. High effort in completely ruining her sibling.

 

[Dessolos]

I'm guessing you don't have siblings then?

Try to imagine it was someone you were growing up with and they suddenly decided to leave and go no-contact for a year. Someone you saw every day as you were living in the same house. You saw each other at breakfast and at dinner. You watched TV together, you frequently chatted with this person. Had deep conversations. Until suddenly one day they just vanished for 365 days.

yeah the best I can do is knowing how I lost contact with some of my good friends after high school because life just goes on and I would be really excited and happy just to talk to them. Which has happened when I did see them message me out of the blue here and there. So I can see myself easily forgiving someone even a sibling if I had one but I can imagine it would fuck someone up but I think if I was a similar situation id still forgive them rather easily cause of my personality. As nothing is worst to me than lost time after losing contact with some of my good friends and I wouldn't want to prolong it.

 

[doovel]

yeah the best I can do is knowing how I lost contact with some of my good friends after high school because life just goes on and I would be really excited and happy just to talk to them. Which has happened when I did see them message me out of the blue here and there. So I can see myself easily forgiving someone even a sibling if I had one but I can imagine it would fuck someone up but I think if I was a similar situation id still forgive them rather easily cause of my personality. As nothing is worst to me than lost time after losing contact with some of my good friends and I wouldn't want to prolong it.

Sounds like the kitten/CQ path is perfect for you then!

I do have to say I sincerely hope you don't let people walk all over you irl. Virtually forgiving anything and everything is a path to letting people constantly take advantage of you.

 

[manscout]

Right now I favor the "Kitten" route, but only because you can hit Natasha in the balls to get out of her bullshit coercion. If it forced you to go through with submitting to Natasha I'd probably hop over to "Siren", even if I feel that route is not as well written as the other ones, Ashe feels a bit more ooc there and some interactions feel kind of bland compared to the other routes.

CQ just sucks because there is some brutal NTR content developing there (honestly credit to the dev for well they seem to be developing that side of the story, I just have no interest in playing a route where Ashe is gonna be getting her heart broken nonstop by all the people closest to her), but it also has some really funny lighthearted stuff that adds a lot of flavor to the story which is sadly missing from the other routes (Evelyn accidentally walking out naked in front of Fiona and the reaction from all involved characters was just a riot).

Ideally I still hope the route-split will be undone and you will be able to mix-n-match as you go, but failing that I guess I will stick with "Kitten" until something really upsetting happens exclusively on that route due to Ashe's meekness, which then will make me begrudgingly hop over to "Siren".

I don't have any problems with Rachel's character, it was a tough situation for both of the twins and neither of them handled it the best (I really doubt Rachel sticking around wouldn't have led to Ashe fumbling the ball on some other occasion).

But it is a bit upsetting how her initial reaction was to blame Ashe alone in a panic, and then sort of force a "mutual blame" narrative when she finally apologized (which is something she should have been prepared to do the moment she came back, not after a whole week of awkwardly avoiding Ashe after leaving for a year).

And I mean, I don't recall anything that absolutely clears her from all suspicions related to the blackmail plot, so like I said, still a mystery.

 

[Hungover00]

If Rachel was somehow the blackmailer, then yeah, she falls into the evil column in a big way. Like, she deserves an "Are we the baddies?" type moment.

But hopefully that never comes to pass. Because I want Ashe and Rachel to make up (and more). She has the position and power to destroy Ashe, and that would be horrible.

 

[Alucard421]

Right now I favor the "Kitten" route, but only because you can hit Natasha in the balls to get out of her bullshit coercion. If it forced you to go through with submitting to Natasha I'd probably hop over to "Siren", even if I feel that route is not as well written as the other ones, Ashe feels a bit more ooc there and some interactions feel kind of bland compared to the other routes.

CQ just sucks because there is some brutal NTR content developing there (honestly credit to the dev for well they seem to be developing that side of the story, I just have no interest in playing a route where Ashe is gonna be getting her heart broken nonstop by all the people closest to her), but it also has some really funny lighthearted stuff that adds a lot of flavor to the story which is sadly missing from the other routes (Evelyn accidentally walking out naked in front of Fiona and the reaction from all involved characters was just a riot).

Ideally I still hope the route-split will be undone and you will be able to mix-n-match as you go, but failing that I guess I will stick with "Kitten" until something really upsetting happens exclusively on that route due to Ashe's meekness, which then will make me begrudgingly hop over to "Siren".

I don't have any problems with Rachel's character, it was a tough situation for both of the twins and neither of them handled it the best (I really doubt Rachel sticking around wouldn't have led to Ashe fumbling the ball on some other occasion).

But it is a bit upsetting how her initial reaction was to blame Ashe alone in a panic, and then sort of force a "mutual blame" narrative when she finally apologized (which is something she should have been prepared to do the moment she came back, not after a whole week of awkwardly avoiding Ashe after leaving for a year).

And I mean, I don't recall anything that absolutely clears her from all suspicions related to the blackmail plot, so like I said, still a mystery.

Ashe is just not going to get heartbroken in CQ path. She is going to be devastated and her heart and mind shattered to pieces to the point the voice in her head will finally win.

 

[Alucard421]

If Rachel was somehow the blackmailer, then yeah, she falls into the evil column in a big way. Like, she deserves an "Are we the baddies?" type moment.

But hopefully that never comes to pass. Because I want Ashe and Rachel to make up (and more). She has the position and power to destroy Ashe, and that would be horrible.

Oh she will fully destroy Ashe in CQ route. The gaslighting has already begun. RapeCop just has show some proof of what happened that day and I think it wasn't forced on Rachel, rather she liked it. So you can gather whats going to happen next.

 

[Hungover00]

Oh she will fully destroy Ashe in CQ route. The gaslighting has already begun. RapeCop just has show some proof of what happened that day and I think it wasn't forced on Rachel, rather she liked it. So you can gather whats going to happen next.

I don't fully disagree, but I think CQ Ashe want's to be tortured like that. So it won't destroy Ashe, she'll just transform into a CQ gremlin.

 

[Ciaran8023]

I don't fully disagree, but I think CQ Ashe want's to be tortured like that. So it won't destroy Ashe, she'll just transform into a CQ gremlin.

Well that's kind of the issue with the current triple-route split and how little it actually differentiates from each route in that it's hard to disassociate the CQ route from everything else, and it's hard to argue that the CQ route currently are entirely different from what the characters are like in the other routes, which in turn makes it hard to argue that Ashe does want that.
She's a psychologically broken anxious mess that has a very hard time attaching herself to people due to what she is and her fear of it, so she is very meek in most regards and isn't exactly someone who's used to saying no, but her acceptance doesn't mean want either. On top of this, Rachel doesn't exactly come off as giving a shit about what Ashe actually wants on the CQ route so it's again hard to argue that it won't destroy Ashe.

There have been plenty of NTR games that literally focus on destroying someone through NTR in order to "convert" them, so it's entirely in the realm of possibility that it won't exactly be a happy ending given how hardcore the dev seems to be getting in the CQ route.

 

[Hungover00]

Well that's kind of the issue with the current triple-route split and how little it actually differentiates from each route in that it's hard to disassociate the CQ route from everything else, and it's hard to argue that the CQ route currently are entirely different from what the characters are like in the other routes, which in turn makes it hard to argue that Ashe does want that.
She's a psychologically broken anxious mess that has a very hard time attaching herself to people due to what she is and her fear of it, so she is very meek in most regards and isn't exactly someone who's used to saying no, but her acceptance doesn't mean want either. On top of this, Rachel doesn't exactly come off as giving a shit about what Ashe actually wants on the CQ route so it's again hard to argue that it won't destroy Ashe.

There have been plenty of NTR games that literally focus on destroying someone through NTR in order to "convert" them, so it's entirely in the realm of possibility that it won't exactly be a happy ending given how hardcore the dev seems to be getting in the CQ route.

I'm not saying it's healthy, but it seems to be a twisted desire, at the very least.

But I do think the CQ route is significantly different from Siren and Kitten routes. There feels like a major disconnect, to me, between those three paths, but mostly between CQ and the other two.

I'm not convinced that the CQ route isn't mostly in Ashe's head as she fantasises about all these cucking scenarios.

 

[Ciaran8023]

I'm not saying it's healthy, but it seems to be a twisted desire, at the very least.

But I do think the CQ route is significantly different from Siren and Kitten routes. There feels like a major disconnect, to me, between those three paths, but mostly between CQ and the other two.

I'm not convinced that the CQ route isn't mostly in Ashe's head as she fantasises about all these cucking scenarios.

I feel like there isn't enough of a disconnect from the other routes to warrant it being looked at entirely separately.
None of the characters are moving too far out of the range of what they've been established as, there were a few posts earlier by manscout pointing out the characteristics of the characters within the framework of a CQ theory, and looking into that, none of them actually behaved at a complete 180 of what we know and none of them behaved in a way that didn't really have an explanation when comparing to the normal routes.

The only contentious point IIRC was whether or not Evelyn was being drugged by Stella, or if she naturally has a proclivity for sexual intimacy but that Ashe never really saw that side given that Evelyn lost her partner etc. Honestly could be a combination of both.

If they did act completely differently from what we've seen then I'd agree with you, but all of them seem to follow what's been theorized already about the characteristics (i.e Rachel continuing in being selfish, Zoey being slutty etc) thus far.

 

[xeivous]

I've only played the siren route but iirc someone said that Evelyn was acting desperate for cock on the cq route when I didn't notice anything of the sort when the drugging plot point was brought up. So either the cq route is shifting events along differently beyond what can be reasonably attributed to Ashe's actions or the route is just straight up making the characters into worse people so Ashe suffers more.

 

[Zod666]

Why even have blackmail garbage on Siren route, game already has cuckshit and sub route, make at least one normal route. Whats even the point of having futa MC and then making her a bottom bitch on 3 different routes?

 

[BÖÖRK]

I so hope, that once we know the identity of the blacmailer, we'll be able to bash her head in with frying pan... please gimme the choice to do that.

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