VN Ren'Py Eruption Imminent [v0.6.1] [MorriganRae]

[dolfe67]

Oh true, the blackmailer did seem to be content with the relatively tame stuff they've got Ashe to do so far.

Maybe this is tame because you don't start by asking something too bold for the first trial, you progressively ask bolder and bolder things. Like you don't cook frog by throwing them in boiling water but in cold water then you heat it up

 

[Hungover00]

She doesn't give off the yandere vibes to me but ngl even though I don't think she's the main person behind the blackmailing I wouldn't mind if it turns out she is.

I was more trying to see why you jumped to 'forced' rather than convinced, or some similar synonym.

 

[damnedfrog]

Maybe this is tame because you don't start by asking something too bold for the first trial, you progressively ask bolder and bolder things. Like you don't cook frog by throwing them in boiling water but in cold water then you heat it up

Stop boiling frogs!

 

[Birdnman993]

Maybe this is tame because you don't start by asking something too bold for the first trial, you progressively ask bolder and bolder things. Like you don't cook frog by throwing them in boiling water but in cold water then you heat it up

This is explained in blackmail 101. Ask for small things so the victim gets used to obeying orders. If you go hard right away, the target will probably do something rash and run away or go to the police. It's a matter of taking it step by step.

 

[Ciaran8023]

This is explained in blackmail 101. Ask for small things so the victim gets used to obeying orders. If you go hard right away, the target will probably do something rash and run away or go to the police. It's a matter of taking it step by step.

Sure, but generally speaking, you tend to want to follow a certain theme aswell. If you're going to blackmail someone for government secrets, you don't order them to fart in a cake in public for example.
And from what we've seen thus far, the blackmailer has no intention of ruining Ashe, and more just seems to enjoy toying with her as the orders thus far have only really had the red thread of being sexual and nothing else.

I don't know, even keeping these things in mind, the orders still seem VERY tame compared to how sexual the worldsetting seems to be, or atleast with those around Ashe. With how open people seem to be about sexual shit, ordering Ashe to wear a buttplug is just mild.
Though that gets me thinking that it has to be that the blackmailer either really knows Ashe and knows that she struggles with anxiety.. or they don't know Ashe at all and they're trying to find a low point to start from.

 

[Birdnman993]

I don't know, even keeping these things in mind, the orders still seem VERY tame compared to how sexual the worldsetting seems to be, or atleast with those around Ashe. With how open people seem to be about sexual shit, ordering Ashe to wear a buttplug is just mild.
Though that gets me thinking that it has to be that the blackmailer either really knows Ashe and knows that she struggles with anxiety.. or they don't know Ashe at all and they're trying to find a low point to start from.

Without a doubt, you could say this is family-friendly when it comes to blackmail in porn games, but we're still in the early stages. We'll see how her demands might escalate. Perhaps they're innocent requests to make Ashe lose her shyness, to humiliate her, or to keep her in a constant state of stress (although the latter doesn't require a blackmailer; Ashe gets very stressed on her own).

It's like the time Natasha caught Ashe and Rachel smoking. At the time, I thought one or both of them would be on their knees, sucking on her, but MorriganRae subverted our expectations by saying they'd just clean her apartment, and we already know how that ended.

I think the blackmail in this game is better done than many others that use it, so I'm excited to see how it plays out.

 

[Alley_Cat]

... Perhaps they're innocent requests to make Ashe lose her shyness, to humiliate her, or to keep her in a constant state of stress (although the latter doesn't require a blackmailer; Ashe gets very stressed on her own).

The reason for the blackmail might even change depending on the route. Lose her shyness on the Siren route, humiliate her on the Kitten, and some other reason on the cuck

 

[Ciaran8023]

Without a doubt, you could say this is family-friendly when it comes to blackmail in porn games, but we're still in the early stages. We'll see how her demands might escalate. Perhaps they're innocent requests to make Ashe lose her shyness, to humiliate her, or to keep her in a constant state of stress (although the latter doesn't require a blackmailer; Ashe gets very stressed on her own).

That's kind of the burning question isn't it, figuring out what the endgame there might be can give a much clearer picture of what type of person we're dealing with in terms of the blackmailer.
As of right now, it doesn't really feel like any of the requests were made with Ashe's development in mind. The selfie was to assert control, to know that they had Ashe under their thumb, the buttplug felt more in line with a mistress toying with their pet, and the whole Vanessa thing and wanting to see Ashe fail looked more like they wanted to reassert that Ashe is too mentally weak to stand up to the blackmailer, or that they just liked playing with their toy a bit.

I guess further down the line we might get more substance behind some of the orders as it's just difficult to see a red thread between the orders right now other than it involving sexuality in some capacity. I guess humiliation is probably the one thing that could be attributed to each of those, but it's very mild humiliation, even for someone as anxious as Ashe.

It's like the time Natasha caught Ashe and Rachel smoking. At the time, I thought one or both of them would be on their knees, sucking on her, but MorriganRae subverted our expectations by saying they'd just clean her apartment, and we already know how that ended.

To be fair, I think you pointed out the key variable there, Rachel was in the picture and it wasn't something that Natasha was expecting. I'm pretty sure that if it was just Ashe that she would've pounced on her MUCH harder and likely initiated some sexual assault from the get-go.
But I do see your point.

I think the blackmail in this game is better done than many others that use it, so I'm excited to see how it plays out.

Even though I hate blackmail, it's definitely a bit more palatable than most. Mainly because it's blackmail by proxy and not in person, and they haven't forced Ashe to do anything real fucked up yet.

 

[Hungover00]

I guess further down the line we might get more substance behind some of the orders as it's just difficult to see a red thread between the orders right now other than it involving sexuality in some capacity. I guess humiliation is probably the one thing that could be attributed to each of those, but it's very mild humiliation, even for someone as anxious as Ashe.

I think we can infer, with some confidence, that the blackmailer is tilling the soil/preparing the ground for Ashe to become more comfortable in their sexuality. And you're right, that does imply someone that knows her well enough to not go too fast and scare her into panic/paralysation. And while I think they are on the benign side of blackmail, it's still blackmail, so there is something selfish to it. And sexual.

I have a feeling that someone that has seen Ashe grow into a cute, hot, bombshell of a woman, saw an opportunity to cross some boundaries and groom Ashe for more unbridled activities later. Someone with confidence, patience, and understanding.

Also, it's a porn game, it's sexual blackmail, and it hasn't been (and likely/hopefully won't be) degrading to Ashe. The corruption in most games is about breaking the woman, while here I think it's about showing Ashe she can lower her walls and reinforce her foundations while growing.

Of course, there could be a massive pivot that MR has planned, but I don't see the evidence for it yet.

(plus, I hope it plays out something like this so Ashe can add all 4 members of that family to her harem)

 

[Alley_Cat]

I wonder if it's worth setting up a poll for who people believe is the blackmailer.

Don't know if it's just a coincidence, but I do find it curious that the main apparent contenders for the blackmailer are Victoria and Delilah - a character we haven't met, and the apparently crazy bitch.

Personally, and this is as someone that questions more or less everything, I wonder if Fiona's warning about Deli is personal bias. Sure, Deli has a crush on Ashe, but so far we haven't seen anything obsessive. When Ashe kisses Zoe or Fiona, Deli doesn't act possessive at all. I'm more inclined to believe Deli isn't as cray as most are taking her for

 

[Ciaran8023]

I think we can infer, with some confidence, that the blackmailer is tilling the soil/preparing the ground for Ashe to become more comfortable in their sexuality. An you're right, that does imply someone that knows her well enough to not go too fast and scare her into panic/paralysation. And while I think they are on the benign side of blackmail, it's still blackmail, so there is something selfish to it. And sexual.

I have a feeling that someone that has seen Ashe grow into a cute, hot, bombshell of a woman, saw an opportunity to cross some boundaries and groom Ashe for more unbridled activities later. Someone with confidence, patience, and understanding.

Well, I initially thought that it was plausible that they were trying to "prepare" Ashe but I'm not entirely sure anymore. I do very much agree that there is an inherent selfishness to the blackmailer, I mean there kind of has to be, but this could also just be someone who enjoys controlling Ashe and making her to shit that she wouldn't.

If it is someone from her past, then it's not entirely implausible that the individual might've been annoyed at how Ashe shied away from anything intimate or sexual. It might have been someone that was into Ashe, but felt slighted that she always pulled away and is now getting back at her in a sort of "look at goody miss two-shoes doing all this depraved shit now, much good it did you to deny me" type deal.

Not sure if it's the most probable, but it feels like there's some other motive than to just prepare Ashe, because having her try to push shit with Vanessa only because the blackmailer wanted to see her fail doesn't really fit the 'prepare' angle too well. It feels more like someone either toying with her or wanting her to get hurt in a similar way that they were hurt.

Also, it's a porn game, it's sexual blackmail, and it hasn't been (and likely/hopefully won't be) degrading to Ashe. The corruption in most games is about breaking the woman, while here I think it's about showing Ashe she can lower her walls and reinforce her foundations while growing.

Of course, there could be a massive pivot that MR has planned, but I don't see the evidence for it yet.

(plus, I hope it plays out something like this so Ashe can add all 4 members of that family to her harem)

Well, at this point we're again wondering what level of intimacy this person has with Ashe in that case, since you can't really forcefully lower the walls of someone with severe self-image issues and anxiety, and if this person truly knew Ashe then they would know it.
Though if this person only superficially knew Ashe or knew Ashe through someone else, it would make a bit more sense. That being said, it doesn't really feel benign enough to be aimed as a learning process for Ashe, yes it's very tame but there's still enough malice in there (the whole Vanessa thing) that makes me think that it's either someone a bit malicious that's enjoying their new toy, or someone who does want Ashe to feel shitty.


I think we need some more blackmails to happen to get a more concrete idea, it could go either way at this point.


EDIT: This just makes me think back on Bella and how someone pointed out that she might've had a crush on Ashe and that's why she's such a bitch. Wouldn't put it past Rachel to leak to her best friend either since I don't really trust her much given her treatment of Ashe. Definitely a bit of a long shot but popped up in my head when I was typing out my idea.

 

[Hungover00]

Not sure if it's the most probable, but it feels like there's some other motive than to just prepare Ashe, because having her try to push shit with Vanessa only because the blackmailer wanted to see her fail doesn't really fit the 'prepare' angle too well. It feels more like someone either toying with her or wanting her to get hurt in a similar way that they were hurt.

I think the push with Vanessa was to show her that it's okay to fail, and the world won't collapse. It's a cornerstone of CBT (Cognitive behavioral therapy), from my understanding, to follow some of those negative thought patterns to their ultimate conclusion and show that they aren't as bad as our mind predicts, through its anxiety. And Ashe is pretty happy with how her date went with Vanessa, except the anxiety of having to report (or lie about) her failure to the blackmailer. So I do think that fits with the blackmailer preparing Ashe. Rejection is a natural part of life, and dating; often times it isn't a person rejecting you, but the time/place/context.

Well, at this point we're again wondering what level of intimacy this person has with Ashe in that case, since you can't really forcefully lower the walls of someone with severe self-image issues and anxiety, and if this person truly knew Ashe then they would know it.
Though if this person only superficially knew Ashe or knew Ashe through someone else, it would make a bit more sense. That being said, it doesn't really feel benign enough to be aimed as a learning process for Ashe, yes it's very tame but there's still enough malice in there (the whole Vanessa thing) that makes me think that it's either someone a bit malicious that's enjoying their new toy, or someone who does want Ashe to feel shitty.

Who said anything about 'force?' The blackmail is coercing Ashe, there's no goon pushing her around, there's no gun against a loved one's head. She's being pressured, she's being convinced that this isn't as bad as the other. The way I'm reading it, the blackmailer is giving Ashe a tough-love push out of her comfort zone (exposure therapy?) to quiet down the Chicken Little part of her brain. And it seems to be working. I'm not seeing the malice you are.

Damn, that's two therapy related techniques I'm hypothesising. Didn't Ashe have a therapist in her younger teens? Did they die, or just...move or something?

Maybe the old therapist is involved as a consultant? Or their files were acquired? Hmm...

 

[Ciaran8023]

I think the push with Vanessa was to show her that it's okay to fail, and the world won't collapse. It's a cornerstone of CBT (Cognitive behavioral therapy), from my understanding, to follow some of those negative thought patterns to their ultimate conclusion and show that they aren't as bad as our mind predicts, through its anxiety. And Ashe is pretty happy with how her date went with Vanessa, except the anxiety of having to report (or lie about) her failure to the blackmailer. So I do think that fits with the blackmailer preparing Ashe. Rejection is a natural part of life, and dating; often times it isn't a person rejecting you, but the time/place/context.

But that still doesn't work with the previous blackmail aswell as the fact that the blackmailer had no qualms sending the gym pics to her boss, that is directly punishing a failure. That's my issue with there not being much of a red thread between the three instances is that if you only look at the date with Vanessa, you can extrapolate that, but within the context of the others it just falls apart.
If the blackmailer wanted to 'prepare' Ashe, what would the buttplug have been for? If they know Ashe then they likely already know that she's pretty perverted, as while she doesn't exactly flaunt it, just her behaviour when talking about it sort of solidifies it as she only turns bashful if that talk is directed towards her in any capacity.
And trying to prepare her for being sexual with the blackmailer absolutely wouldn't work with Ashe's mentality.

The blackmailer also didn't exactly show her that it was okay to fail, just that the blackmailer wanted her to fail. If you're following CBT, you would follow up with a LOT of talk regarding what just happened, why it happened and to really delve into the gritty details but it's clear that the blackmailer doesn't really give a shit about that.

There are just too many inconsistencies to say that the blackmailer is someone who wants Ashe to further develop, because there are a lot of other commands that would have made a lot more sense in that regard than just two inherently selfish ones and the last one being more for the shits and giggles and/or to hurt her outright. Atleast to me this doesn't make much sense, it's too much of a leap.

Who said anything about 'force?' The blackmail is coercing Ashe, there's no goon pushing her around, there's no gun against a loved one's head. She's being pressured, she's being convinced that this isn't as bad as the other. The way I'm reading it, the blackmailer is giving Ashe a tough-love push out of her comfort zone (exposure therapy?) to quiet down the Chicken Little part of her brain. And it seems to be working. I'm not seeing the malice you are.

Damn, that's two therapy related techniques I'm hypothesising. Didn't Ashe have a therapist in her younger teens? Did they die, or just...move or something?

Maybe the old therapist is involved as a consultant? Or their files were acquired? Hmm...

Coercion is being forced, but instead of violence it's a subtle threat of repercussion, it is still the act of forcing someone to do something they do not want to do but through words and threats instead.
The one with Vanessa is what I'd definitely call malicious, because none of her anxiety stems from rejection, it stems from self-hatred (due to being different) and people finding out that she's different. Having someone pushing her to sex only to be rejected because they wanted her to be rejected is very far from trying to get Ashe to start getting around her issues because it isn't related to her issues.

It's sort of like making someone drink water because they're afraid of water, it isn't aiming at the core issue because sure, Ashe is scared of being intimate but that fear isn't related to rejection. This is the main reason why I don't think that the person blackmailing is actually wanting Ashe to develop and get over her issues.
Either that or the person blackmailing her doesn't actually understand her issues and thinks her issues are related to rejection, but if that was the case then the only one we have information on that has dealt with how Ashe handled rejection is Rachel, and I don't want to open that can of worms nor do I really want to entertain the thought as I already dislike that character.


Ashe and Rachel did both have a therapist and IIRC they just moved away, but I'd have to go back and check because I can't fully recall with certainty.

 

[Hungover00]

But that still doesn't work with the previous blackmail aswell as the fact that the blackmailer had no qualms sending the gym pics to her boss, that is directly punishing a failure. That's my issue with there not being much of a red thread between the three instances is that if you only look at the date with Vanessa, you can extrapolate that, but within the context of the others it just falls apart.
If the blackmailer wanted to 'prepare' Ashe, what would the buttplug have been for? If they know Ashe then they likely already know that she's pretty perverted, as while she doesn't exactly flaunt it, just her behaviour when talking about it sort of solidifies it as she only turns bashful if that talk is directed towards her in any capacity.
And trying to prepare her for being sexual with the blackmailer absolutely wouldn't work with Ashe's mentality.

The blackmailer also didn't exactly show her that it was okay to fail, just that the blackmailer wanted her to fail. If you're following CBT, you would follow up with a LOT of talk regarding what just happened, why it happened and to really delve into the gritty details but it's clear that the blackmailer doesn't really give a shit about that.

There are just too many inconsistencies to say that the blackmailer is someone who wants Ashe to further develop, because there are a lot of other commands that would have made a lot more sense in that regard than just two inherently selfish ones and the last one being more for the shits and giggles and/or to hurt her outright. Atleast to me this doesn't make much sense, it's too much of a leap.


Coercion is being forced, but instead of violence it's a subtle threat of repercussion, it is still the act of forcing someone to do something they do not want to do but through words and threats instead.
The one with Vanessa is what I'd definitely call malicious, because none of her anxiety stems from rejection, it stems from self-hatred (due to being different) and people finding out that she's different. Having someone pushing her to sex only to be rejected because they wanted her to be rejected is very far from trying to get Ashe to start getting around her issues because it isn't related to her issues.

It's sort of like making someone drink water because they're afraid of water, it isn't aiming at the core issue because sure, Ashe is scared of being intimate but that fear isn't related to rejection. This is the main reason why I don't think that the person blackmailing is actually wanting Ashe to develop and get over her issues.
Either that or the person blackmailing her doesn't actually understand her issues and thinks her issues are related to rejection, but if that was the case then the only one we have information on that has dealt with how Ashe handled rejection is Rachel, and I don't want to open that can of worms nor do I really want to entertain the thought as I already dislike that character.


Ashe and Rachel did both have a therapist and IIRC they just moved away, but I'd have to go back and check because I can't fully recall with certainty.

My immediate guess would be they switch between carrot and stick to keep Ashe off balance, motivated, and nervous. Intermittent rewards mixed in with other conditioning. In my mind I don't think the blackmailer is benevolent (only out to help Ashe), but may well be benign (not out to hurt Ashe, and might help in the long run). But they are motivated by selfish desires.

I don't think the assumption that getting Ashe to try and sleep with Vanessa is 'more for the shits and giggles' is established yet, beyond a theory. We're all trying to read into what the blackmailer's motivations might be, and that's fine, but I don't agree with that conclusion or supposition.

I'm using 'force' in the sense where it overpowers any reasonable autonomy Ashe might have, where I think you're using it in a way to describe the pressure and energy to push Ashe to take a proposed action. Ie. Ashe has no choice vs. Ashe has choices, but one is heavily incentivised to be preferable.

I don't think it's as simple as mistaking Ashe's issues as fundamentally about rejection, though I do think the fear of rejection is part of the mosaic of Ashe's issues. But it's the lack of confidence, the self-hatred, the mis-measuring of all social interactions to always have Ashe be less than, or worthless. The blackmailer could be trying an incremental approach to chipping away at those negative beliefs about herself and how others view her. It's more of a complicated web, than a fulcrum and a lever, situation.

And yeah, re: Therapist, I'm not seeing any name that jumps out on the character list. Might not have made the cut.

Overall, I think it's too early to say much definitively about the nature of the blackmailer and their goals for Ashe, but it's fun to hypothesise.

 

[Ciaran8023]

My immediate guess would be they switch between carrot and stick to keep Ashe off balance, motivated, and nervous. Intermittent rewards mixed in with other conditioning. In my mind I don't think the blackmailer is benevolent (only out to help Ashe), but may well be benign (not out to hurt Ashe, and might help in the long run). But they are motivated by selfish desires.

Oh they're absolutely selfish, but I think the question boils down to how well this person knows Ashe, because to someone as riddled with anxiety as Ashe is and the nature of it, all three blackmails thus far have all been the stick. When someone's been anxious for basically their entire life and avoid any and all intimate connection or even social gatherings, there are no real 'carrots' to be given through a blackmail scenario.
My thoughts when looking more into the potential how or why of the blackmails and the blackmailer in question, it definitely came off more as a person who's enjoying a new toy rather than someone having a grand scheme of trying to get Ashe to come to terms with her issues and work on them, mainly due to the context of the first two blackmails being very selfish and the third one being very questionable.

I don't think the assumption that getting Ashe to try and sleep with Vanessa is 'more for the shits and giggles' is established yet, beyond a theory. We're all trying to read into what the blackmailer's motivations might be, and that's fine, but I don't agree with that conclusion or supposition.

I was using "shits and giggles" as an intermedian as I don't really think that the blackmailer cared that much. I think the date with Vanessa was more just a happy coincidence that coincided with the blackmailers want to jerk Ashe around a bit and see how she reacted. Just seems like the person enjoys Ashe's reactions rather than the actual conclusion of anything being ordered, which again makes it difficult to say that the blackmailer wants anything out of Ashe than just entertainment.

I'm using 'force' in the sense where it overpowers any reasonable autonomy Ashe might have, where I think you're using it in a way to describe the pressure and energy to push Ashe to take a proposed action. Ie. Ashe has no choice vs. Ashe has choices, but one is heavily incentivised to be preferable.

Yeah, I do believe that's the disconnect, but as noted with her anxiety, I believe coercion is force to her as people finding out about her being a duplo is a 'world ending' scenario in her mind. I could've worded it a lot better.

I don't think it's as simple as mistaking Ashe's issues as fundamentally about rejection, though I do think the fear of rejection is part of the mosaic of Ashe's issues. But it's the lack of confidence, the self-hatred, the mis-measuring of all social interactions to always have Ashe be less than, or worthless. The blackmailer could be trying an incremental approach to chipping away at those negative beliefs about herself and how others view her. It's more of a complicated web, than a fulcrum and a lever, situation.

Oh absolutely, no situation regarding mental health issues is ever anything easy, it's always a tangled ball of yarn with no clear beginning or end.
That being said, if they did know what Ashe's issues were and them having a vested interested in making her better, a far more logical command would be something like "You will go out to a bar and pick up a girl, and make sure to make out with her and get her number before the night is over" or something similar. The blackmailer instead asked something that they knew would be impossible simply because they wanted to see Ashe fail.
Even if we're going by the theory that they want to incrementally approach things, having her face rejection and potentially blowing up a relationship with one of the few people that have started to treat Ashe a bit better atleast is pretty egregious. For someone as anxious and as much of a social recluse as Ashe is, having people close to her matters a lot, so potentially grenading that is another one of the reasons as to why I think the blackmailer is either out to hurt her and isolate her or the blackmailer doesn't actually fully know what Ashe's issues are.

And yeah, re: Therapist, I'm not seeing any name that jumps out on the character list. Might not have made the cut.

Overall, I think it's too early to say much definitively about the nature of the blackmailer and their goals for Ashe, but it's fun to hypothesise.

All I recall is that the therapist was namedropped as "Ms/Mrs. <insert name here>". I don't think we got a first name but I distinctly recall seeing A name.

And yeah, it's definitely fun to try and dig into this, but yeah as I noted aswell, I think we need more blackmails to happen before we can fully tell what the endgame and nature is of the blackmailer. Too little to go on right now.

 

[Ciaran8023]

The Doctor named by Rachel, if I wrote it down correctly which I believe I did, is Dr. Kagawa, but Rachel mentions she retired.

That's the one!
And yeah, now that I remember the name, it was mentioned that she retired.

Like I said in my post from months ago, it would be to show Ashe that she isn't in control of her body, and to condition her to get used to the idea of using it when and how she's told. Just a thought though.

It's a possibility, it would go against the idea of the blackmailer having any positive ideas for Ashe and would be in line with the selfishness for sure.
Not entirely sure if I'm buying that it was the most logical way to go about enforcing that idea however, it could have been just as easily enforced by a regular buttplug. It being a remote-controlled vibrating one just sort of fuels the idea I had that the blackmailer much more enjoys seeing Ashe's reactions and how she squirms rather than the actual end result of any of this, especially since they were spying on the date with a drone or whateverthefuck.

I suppose it could be both, but it feels like there would be a bit more thought behind where they actually want to go with it if it was both premeditated to slowly mould Ashe into something else and because they like toying with Ashe.

Now that I spent some more time to think about it, I'm thinking even moreso that this is more just a toy/whim scenario than anything premeditated due to the timing. The blackmails are incredibly sporadic and if you want to enforce behavioural changes, you generally want a gradual increase in intensity and consistency. The fact that these blackmails are so sporadic leads me to believe that it's more of a 'crime of passion' so to speak.

 

[JeezLucas]

Something I'm weary of is that we haven't really gotten any meaningful character development from Ashe in terms of her confidence and self-image on the 'canon route' (the blue Kitten route seems to be the most intended one), and with Vanessa getting spied on, I feel like we might get the blackmail resolved by Vanessa herself since she doesn't seem like the type of person who enjoys being spied on - which would just kind of feel bad in the long run as Ashe is just constantly getting a fat L at every turn and she needs to resolve something on her own instead of being jerked around by everything in order to have some meaningful progression and development.

Sort of came to mind as the dev definitely has no qualms putting Ashe through a lot of shit.

That's exactly my line of thought. No matter if I pick Kitten or Siren, Ashe should be able to stop being passive and not get bullied left and right. I don't mind getting hit with the Fuck-You Train, but I want my Ashe to have a tiny bit of agency.

Im almost done with the 0.5 version and I grumbled my way to the Siren Route without even having a choice. I facepalmed so hard, considering I'm a bottom and hoped to go Kitten, but I know I avoided many things I didn't really like either on purpose (i.e. getting molested) or to preserve Ashe's health.... Which seems to be impossible for Kitten Route.

So...
-Can I go Kitten without getting molested by Natasha ? ( I don't mind getting in her apartment as long as I get to run/avoid rape ) especially when it comes to her encounters in the street or in the gym.
-Will Zoey find out the duplo thingy if I bottom during sex ?
-Is there anything else I didn't really notice that gets me to be Kitten ? Like shoving cucumbers inside the pothead/watching only mommy porn ? (which I avoided for fear of CONSEQUENCES)
-Will Siren be a callous dom or can she be still a softie and a bottom with some ?
-Can Kitten limit the foot fetish with mom or is Kitten automatically into feetsies ?

 

[Ciaran8023]

That's exactly my line of thought. No matter if I pick Kitten or Siren, Ashe should be able to stop being passive and not get bullied left and right. I don't mind getting hit with the Fuck-You Train, but I want my Ashe to have a tiny bit of agency.

Im almost done with the 0.5 version and I grumbled my way to the Siren Route without even having a choice. I facepalmed so hard, considering I'm a bottom and hoped to go Kitten, but I know I avoided many things I didn't really like either on purpose (i.e. getting molested) or to preserve Ashe's health.... Which seems to be impossible for Kitten Route.

The agency thing is definitely a common complaint, in fact it's something that I mentioned in one of my first posts and the dev did say something along the lines of them going to keep it in mind.
My basic post was something like "if Ashe just keeps taking L's without being able to do anything about it, it will definitely be a pretty poor experience in general".

So...
-Can I go Kitten without getting molested by Natasha ? ( I don't mind getting in her apartment as long as I get to run/avoid rape ) especially when it comes to her encounters in the street or in the gym.
-Will Zoey find out the duplo thingy if I bottom during sex ?
-Is there anything else I didn't really notice that gets me to be Kitten ? Like shoving cucumbers inside the pothead/watching only mommy porn ? (which I avoided for fear of CONSEQUENCES)
-Will Siren be a callous dom or can she be still a softie and a bottom with some ?
-Can Kitten limit the foot fetish with mom or is Kitten automatically into feetsies ?

You can go Kitten and shut down Rapecop. Both the initial street encounter and the gym one has a "fuck this" type reaction on Kitten so it isn't a forced route. Her interactions still happen though so you can't really avoid meeting her, but shutting her down will set her flag to "enemy", whatever that means.

Zoey does not find out the duplo thing.

There are some flags when you watch porn and what you dream about IIRC, you can use Universal Renpy Mod or URM for short to "peek" at what choices give what flags if you are interested, I can't recall on the offhand which gives what.

Siren, as of right now seems more along the lines of being more of a softy. I am unsure if you're going to get to bottom as a choice since it's very early on, though it'd be nice.

Can't recall about the foot stuff, I think it isn't an automatic thing but I don't fully trust my memory on that one.

 

[Alley_Cat]

That's exactly my line of thought. No matter if I pick Kitten or Siren, Ashe should be able to stop being passive and not get bullied left and right. I don't mind getting hit with the Fuck-You Train, but I want my Ashe to have a tiny bit of agency.

Im almost done with the 0.5 version and I grumbled my way to the Siren Route without even having a choice. I facepalmed so hard, considering I'm a bottom and hoped to go Kitten, but I know I avoided many things I didn't really like either on purpose (i.e. getting molested) or to preserve Ashe's health.... Which seems to be impossible for Kitten Route.

So...
-Can I go Kitten without getting molested by Natasha ? ( I don't mind getting in her apartment as long as I get to run/avoid rape ) especially when it comes to her encounters in the street or in the gym.
-Will Zoey find out the duplo thingy if I bottom during sex ?
-Is there anything else I didn't really notice that gets me to be Kitten ? Like shoving cucumbers inside the pothead/watching only mommy porn ? (which I avoided for fear of CONSEQUENCES)
-Will Siren be a callous dom or can she be still a softie and a bottom with some ?
-Can Kitten limit the foot fetish with mom or is Kitten automatically into feetsies ?

One of the main complaints after the last update was from those on the Siren route that wanted to top Fiona. Whether or not you have a sexual or platonic relationship with Fiona I do not believe is dependent on playing Siren or Kitten.

So yes, you can bottom on the Siren route

 

[Ciaran8023]

One of the main complaints after the last update was from those on the Siren route that wanted to top Fiona. Whether or not you have a sexual or platonic relationship with Fiona I do not believe is dependent on playing Siren or Kitten.

So yes, you can bottom on the Siren route

Well, it kind of depends on what they mean by bottom, the reason why I didn't really mention it is because even though Ashe is very much receiving, she's in a dominant position.
The way I interpreted it was that they're talking about being a complete bottom, i.e relinquish control entirely.

Though I could be wrong.