VN Ren'Py Eruption Imminent [v0.6.1] [MorriganRae]

[Kodek]

I really dislike about your comments that you postulate your personal feelings as some kind of eternal truth.

They are not.

Please say "I think the routes should not exist." This makes a huge difference imho and let other people think you want to add a valuable argument to the discussion instead of being some dude that got too attached to a porn VN and is now shouting at the moon.

Cheers mate.

It's clear that my comment is just my personal opinion. It's my own comment after all, it can't be anything other than my opinion. Adding 'I think' won't change the content of my message in any way.
And I'm not looking into forcing it in other people and I don't want anyone to take my opinion as some sort of 'universal truth'. I just really disliked what the routes did to the game progression.
But I believie I was too agressive in my comment, so I will actually give you that. I went too far into the agression and I'm sorry for such.

But my opinion on the routes don't really change, I truly believe the game would be better without them. I wouldn't change anything regarding the content of the game (maybe only the result of Evellyn's date), the game is amazing and the content is also amazing, no matter which type.
It's just that I feel that us, as players, should have freedom of choice when it came to what we want Ashe to be. Fragmenting her persona in three and forcing us to choose one so early in the game don't sit well for me. It makes me feel that we are putting the horses before the cart... it should be our choices over a big chunk of the game's story that would mold Ashe's persona and/or her feelings over some acts and people and not some big important choice basically right at the start that makes us lose a lot of what Ashe's character could have been.

Try to see from this angle: Locking Ashe's whole personality on three single aspects makes her feel too unilateral as a character instead of the deep, emotional and interesting character we got to know on the first 2 episodes. What I'm proposing is that we should have freedom to choose our actions: We should be able to choose if Ashe wanted to give Evellyn a back massage and grind her with her erection or, instead, give her a foot massage and have her tease Ashe. And, if we kept following a route of action for a prolongued period of time, it would eventually shift Ashe's taste to that route of action.
This slow shift would make Ashe as a character feel more real as a character or at least make the transition of her personality more smooth, we can't just push a buttom and choose what we want our personality to be, we mold that over time with interactions with other people and ourselves, with many different choices, good or bad.

And as an example of what I trying to propose is basically the MC in BaDiK. We eventually get locked in a route of sorts because of the choices we made over a lot of gameplay, but even after the lock we can get the MC acting differently from what his route should do, result of making certain choices over and over again. Now imagine how much different (and worse I dare say) BaDiK would be as a game if we were forced to choose a route right from ep2 or maybe ep4? It would ruin a lot of what the game was proposing.
My idea is: What if we still choose to act more submissive with some characters in EI, despite making more dominant choices overall? Ashe would still be more confident and dominant, but she would still like to act submissive with that character. This would make the gameplay better and way more dinamic and interactive than just choosing one personality and changing the course of the whole game and how some characters act just because of ONE CHOICE rather than multiple over a prolongued period of time.
This is just an idea of course, but it don't really matter much, I just feel that Ashe should be able to make more choices in the begginning of her journey.

 

[Kodek]

I'm gonna side with you to a degree here and say I agree. Honestly could care fuck all for the cuck queen route, mainly because it's borderline pointless and just a different type of submissive route. In fact it might as well be tied to the Kitten route. Honestly forget the routes bullshit and let players decide on things while giving all content available.

Do you want to stay home with Mom or come back at a later time and end up watching your mom get railed or not.
Same with the beach time event and such.

That's basically my point. We are getting locked out of more than half of Ashe's persona and more than half content from the game right in the start. It's still too early for Ashe's personality to be locked into stone, I don't even like the idea of a character's personality being locked like that since I like fluidity of characters and how they interact with the world, but I understand that some people have inclinations towards some actions.

But having some choices being tied to one personality right of the bat without much time to proper develop such personality? It feels weird for me. It's even weirder that Ashe's overall behaviour didn't actually change much, she still acts like herself, but now she just won't make some choices and will prioritize some characters over others? With just ONE CHOICE?

 

[MorallyLucky]

That's basically my point. We are getting locked out of more than half of Ashe's persona and more than half content from the game right in the start. It's still too early for Ashe's personality to be locked into stone, I don't even like the idea of a character's personality being locked like that since I like fluidity of characters and how they interact with the world, but I understand that some people have inclinations towards some actions.

But having some choices being tied to one personality right of the bat without much time to proper develop such personality? It feels weird for me. It's even weirder that Ashe's overall behaviour didn't actually change much, she still acts like herself, but now she just won't make some choices and will prioritize some characters over others? With just ONE CHOICE?

The differences to her base personality after the choice are not gonna bbe apparent on the VERY FIRST update put out after the route split. It makes absolutely 0 sense why you'd want such a drastic character change so quick.

 

[Kodek]

The differences to her base personality after the choice are not gonna bbe apparent on the VERY FIRST update put out after the route split. It makes absolutely 0 sense why you'd want such a drastic character change so quick.

I don't want that, what? I want the exact opposite of that. Didn't you read my comment saying that I disliked a drastic changes on characters personalities and prefer more fluidity?
I just said that it's weird that she is already getting locked out of some choices DESPITE her personality being the same. If her personality is still going to change and she is still the same, why is she getting soft locked out of choices now?

But that's literally the illusion of choice. It don't matter whatever choice regarding her personality we make further down any of the paths if Ashe's personality has already been 'locked' by the route split and that's exactly what's problematic with the routes for me. If I went siren, I can't make Ashe make sub choices or act a little subby from time to time. Same for any other choice. Maybe we can change routes in the future? I'm not sure, but it seems unlikely.

 

[dolfe67]

The routes are here to stay. You either take it or leave it. It helps keeping the story focused and coherent on a given route.

If you're dominant, you rarely become a sub and vice versa. "Switch" exist but it's even rarer, and won't be a part of this game.

 

[Kodek]

The routes are here to stay. You either take it or leave it. It helps keeping the story focused and coherent on a given route.

If you're dominant, you rarely become a sub and vice versa. "Switch" exist but it's even rarer, and won't be a part of this game.

I'm not against being in a route given time and choices. I just think it's too early for the game to lock the player in a route, which is why I'm opposed to them in such an early state of the game.
And I don't know what would actually change in the story by not having the routes now, how is it more focused or coherent since we have, essentially, three times the same scene with some characters behaviors actually fully changing from water to wine just because of a different route? That doesn't sound more coherent to me, this actually sounds like it's more work for no apparent reason.

But I not making demands, I not in a position to even make demands here. My first comment was somewhat too agressive and I have been called out for it and apologized. There was no need to be so abrasive on my discontent when I'm overall reaaaally satisfied with the game. But I just pointed what was wrong with the early routes and made some suggestions
And I'm didn't suggest to take any content out of the game in any of my comments, rather my suggestion actually adds more gameplay. I suggested that we should be the ones to eventually guide Ashe's personality to an inclination instead of an early major choice that's going to make our gameplay less dinamic and deep, since Ashe is just going to guide herself to a personality with minimal choice and imput from us, the players.

And I also never said you would become a submissive subby sub. But sub characters can make dominant choices and have dominant behavior, same for dom characters. And I don't think switches are that rare.

 

[Sinxflavio2]

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View attachment 4590574 Is it just me or these three frames look kinda odd? After replaying it I feel like Ashe's jaw is kind of disproportionate. Even Ashe's blowjob to Natasha, whose dick is significantly larger, doesn't seem to have this problem. Everything about the Ashe and Fiona scene is perfect except this. Hope the Dev notice it and make better blowjob renders in the next update.

imo it makes the scenes dirtier, lewder and by default hotter, kinda of lewd blowjob, almost like the vaccuum blowjob vibe

 

[Stan5851]

Hungover00, BaDikGirl I have a simple question. How does your theory that Victoria is the blackmailer (and may be aided by the Delilah she misled) fit with the route where Ash completely avoids any intimate relationship with Kate?

One more thing that I found rather odd. The blackmailer couldn't think of anything smarter than sending a picture of Ash in her underwear to her boss Marita. After all, she has literally no dirt on Ash, and all she uses is only what Ash himself (foolishly) gives her. Imo, Ash should have realized this obvious thing and after this incident simply stopped responding to the blackmailer, because all she has are empty threats with no evidence to back them up. But yeah, then we wouldn't have all this intrigue and plot twists.

 

[Hungover00]

Hungover00, BaDikGirl I have a simple question. How does your theory that Victoria is the blackmailer (and may be aided by the Delilah she misled) fit with the route where Ash completely avoids any intimate relationship with Kate?

One more thing that I found rather odd. The blackmailer couldn't think of anything smarter than sending a picture of Ash in her underwear to her boss Marita. After all, she has literally no dirt on Ash, and all she uses is only what Ash himself (foolishly) gives her. Imo, Ash should have realized this obvious thing and after this incident simply stopped responding to the blackmailer, because all she has are empty threats with no evidence to back them up. But yeah, then we wouldn't have all this intrigue and plot twists.

Personally I think Victoria is using the blackmail as sexual pedagogy. She's trying to teach and train Ashe to come to terms with her sexuality. I don't think it's revenge for Kate. There's not really any evidence for this, but it's a porn game, and my interpretation of the subtext is that Victoria and Kate have at least a partially open marriage. The degree is unknown, so Kate may be breaking some of their rules by not checking first, or it may be all above board. We don't know much, if anything, significant about Victoria, but my bet is she's had a bit of a crush on Ashe, and seeing her with Zoey (and learning her duplo status) broke the dam, she decided to play a game. And that's how things started. (imagine the taboo rush of making your one daughter's best friend, and other daughter's first real crush, do sexual things you've told them to)

As for the photo to Marita, they are trying to push Ashe's boundaries, and started small. And yes, Ashe could have stopped the blackmail from the get go, but then we'd end up in a different game. The blackmailer doesn't seem malevolent (so far).

 

[Stan5851]

BaDikGirl, Hungover00
Assuming you're right, it turns out that the mystery woman with the Elysium bag in her hands (in the finale of episode 5) is hardly Victoria. If only because no one at a party expects a visit from an unknown milf that no one invited...So it appears to be someone third, and it may be about ruining Vanessa's life, not Ash's.

On the other hand, even if this stranger manages to stage a wild, uncontrolled orgy at the party involving Ashe and Vanessa, even with the possibility of partial media publicity, it's unlikely that the latter will suffer in any way, given the virtually limitless administrative and financial resources of her mother Moira.

And if the stranger's speech about “ruining her life” is about Ashe and not Vanessa, then the "Victoria blackmailer" theory hardly makes sense (at least in Ash's “sex education” interpretation) and it turns out that the blackmailer is someone else.

In my head, I haven't decided who the blackmailer might be yet, the evidence for either theory is too shaky (imho), but one thing is certain (and I doubt anyone will argue with it) - Delilah is directly involved, and even if someone is behind it (like Victoria), the weakest link in the scheme is she, and I really hope Ashe has the sense to press Delilah at the party and get her to come clean.

Or maybe it really is someone unknown to us, someone who genuinely hates duplexes. Perhaps the same person whose blackmail eventually led to the suicide of that media star/streamer who had to admit to being a duplex. Either way, I'm hoping that phrase

"She stands up for herself and doesn't let other people dictate her life"

from Siren's route description finally starts working, and in the next update a dominant Ashe starts beating the shit out of blackmailers (whoever they are).

 

[Maviarab]

BaDikGirl, Hungover00
Assuming you're right, it turns out that the mystery woman with the Elysium bag in her hands (in the finale of episode 5) is hardly Victoria. If only because no one at a party expects a visit from an unknown milf that no one invited...So it appears to be someone third, and it may be about ruining Vanessa's life, not Ash's.

On the other hand, even if this stranger manages to stage a wild, uncontrolled orgy at the party involving Ashe and Vanessa, even with the possibility of partial media publicity, it's unlikely that the latter will suffer in any way, given the virtually limitless administrative and financial resources of her mother Moira.

And if the stranger's speech about “ruining her life” is about Ashe and not Vanessa, then the "Victoria blackmailer" theory hardly makes sense (at least in Ash's “sex education” interpretation) and it turns out that the blackmailer is someone else.

In my head, I haven't decided who the blackmailer might be yet, the evidence for either theory is too shaky (imho), but one thing is certain (and I doubt anyone will argue with it) - Delilah is directly involved, and even if someone is behind it (like Victoria), the weakest link in the scheme is she, and I really hope Ashe has the sense to press Delilah at the party and get her to come clean.

Or maybe it really is someone unknown to us, someone who genuinely hates duplexes. Perhaps the same person whose blackmail eventually led to the suicide of that media star/streamer who had to admit to being a duplex. Either way, I'm hoping that phrase from Siren's route description finally starts working, and in the next update a dominant Ashe starts beating the shit out of blackmailers (whoever they are).

Read a lot of crazy wild theories regarding thew blackmailer...

Bottom line is, whoever it is has access to Vanessa's house and is local enough to know what Ashe is doing. That rules out a lot of people being thrown about in this thread.

 

[GossHarag]

That's basically my point. We are getting locked out of more than half of Ashe's persona and more than half content from the game right in the start. It's still too early for Ashe's personality to be locked into stone, I don't even like the idea of a character's personality being locked like that since I like fluidity of characters and how they interact with the world, but I understand that some people have inclinations towards some actions.

But having some choices being tied to one personality right of the bat without much time to proper develop such personality? It feels weird for me. It's even weirder that Ashe's overall behaviour didn't actually change much, she still acts like herself, but now she just won't make some choices and will prioritize some characters over others? With just ONE CHOICE?

Why dont you just replay the game?

 

[ElCafillero]

Maybe the real blackmailer was the friends we made along the way?

 

[Stan5851]

I'm not sure where you got the idea that either of us think that the woman at the end and the blackmailer MUST be the same person. Honestly, I don't believe, even for a second, that they are. I DO believe that the woman at the end is 100% talking about ruining Vanessa's life, purely based on the amount of Elysium she had. The main reason being that when Ashe first bought it, the bags were $150 a piece. There are 7 on the table. Assuming that when Spike said they went up in price, the maximum they went up to was double, then that still means that amount on the table is between $1,050 and $2,100 dollars of Elysium they are willing to throw away JUST to fuck up a party. I can't see Ashe having any friends, much less enemies, willing to throw away money like that, much less in that quantity.

However, I don't believe that the woman is Victoria. Personally, I have spent a few weeks going through and making a detailed timeline of events for myself, while also looking for one specific thing... flowers. The picture at the end that shows the case of roses, shows what looks like two stems with missing flowers. I still have a lot of ground to cover in my in depth look, but so far the only times flowers really show up are on Lexi's shirt, Siri's shirt, and on the coffee table in Fiona's house. I am most likely chasing down a total phantom there, but I would rather chase down a phantom and eliminate it, at least for me, then leave a loose thread hanging in my mind.

It's not a statement that you think that way (that Victoria is the same person holding the Elysium package at the end), but rather my thoughts and trying to make sense of it. I myself believe that the blackmailer and the person with Elysium are different people. As for Victoria the blackmailer, I think the problem with this theory (as with any other) is that there is too little data that players are forced to operate with.

As a result, such researchers (I know this from myself, because I am also fond of theorizing, but in other game threads of our forum) are sometimes forced to speculate too much from their heads, which does not always lead to the desired result. Of course, this is a fascinating occupation, and sometimes such reflections and thoughtful analysis of events really allow you to see the truth long before the release of an update in which the dev of a conditional game finally decides to reveal the truth. In any case, I wish you luck in your personal theorizing and in trying to establish the identity of the blackmailer.

 

[Hungover00]

BaDikGirl, Hungover00
Assuming you're right, it turns out that the mystery woman with the Elysium bag in her hands (in the finale of episode 5) is hardly Victoria. If only because no one at a party expects a visit from an unknown milf that no one invited...So it appears to be someone third, and it may be about ruining Vanessa's life, not Ash's.

On the other hand, even if this stranger manages to stage a wild, uncontrolled orgy at the party involving Ashe and Vanessa, even with the possibility of partial media publicity, it's unlikely that the latter will suffer in any way, given the virtually limitless administrative and financial resources of her mother Moira.

And if the stranger's speech about “ruining her life” is about Ashe and not Vanessa, then the "Victoria blackmailer" theory hardly makes sense (at least in Ash's “sex education” interpretation) and it turns out that the blackmailer is someone else.

In my head, I haven't decided who the blackmailer might be yet, the evidence for either theory is too shaky (imho), but one thing is certain (and I doubt anyone will argue with it) - Delilah is directly involved, and even if someone is behind it (like Victoria), the weakest link in the scheme is she, and I really hope Ashe has the sense to press Delilah at the party and get her to come clean.

Or maybe it really is someone unknown to us, someone who genuinely hates duplexes. Perhaps the same person whose blackmail eventually led to the suicide of that media star/streamer who had to admit to being a duplex. Either way, I'm hoping that phrase from Siren's route description finally starts working, and in the next update a dominant Ashe starts beating the shit out of blackmailers (whoever they are).

I don't think the mystery woman is Ashe's blackmailer.

Read a lot of crazy wild theories regarding thew blackmailer...

Bottom line is, whoever it is has access to Vanessa's house and is local enough to know what Ashe is doing. That rules out a lot of people being thrown about in this thread.

Hack cell phones (I think Fiona mentioned something about that being a problem), Delilah on a scooter/motorbike, or my preferred solution, drones with cameras. And perhaps hack CCTV.

 

[Hungover00]

It's not a statement that you think that way (that Victoria is the same person holding the Elysium package at the end), but rather my thoughts and trying to make sense of it. I myself believe that the blackmailer and the person with Elysium are different people. As for Victoria the blackmailer, I think the problem with this theory (as with any other) is that there is too little data that players are forced to operate with.

As a result, such researchers (I know this from myself, because I am also fond of theorizing, but in other game threads of our forum) are sometimes forced to speculate too much from their heads, which does not always lead to the desired result. Of course, this is a fascinating occupation, and sometimes such reflections and thoughtful analysis of events really allow you to see the truth long before the release of an update in which the dev of a conditional game finally decides to reveal the truth. In any case, I wish you luck in your personal theorizing and in trying to establish the identity of the blackmailer.

The Victoria theory, for me, came out of the lack of positive data, and built back from what little is known, writing conventions, and some betting. A bit like inferring there is dark matter out there, even if the astrophysicists can't point and say "there it is!"

So you're not wrong, but there isn't a positive case for anyone, though most evidence points at Delilah, but that points to an incomplete picture. Delilah blackmailing Ashe alone is rather ridiculous, but she obviously is acting suspicious, lies, and knows too much. None of which really matches her vibe towards Ashe. So, maybe she's working with someone. Who would Delilah trust enough to work against Ashe? Someone she loves and trusts implicitly, and that could convince her she is actually helping Ashe. That leads me to believe it's family. There's only 3 options there, Fiona is a horrid candidate for a blackmail partner for Delilah. Kate isn't much better, especially if you get sexual with her. So, Victoria. Victoria is a named but unseen character, so it wouldn't be completely out of left field (which would be poor writing). The timeline could match up if we propose that Victoria monitors her own bedroom, and while Ashe is making sure Zoey never gets a good perspective to notice her duplo status, she wasn't doing that to the rest of the room that could have had a camera. Victoria seems like she would have the resources and life experience to be able to put something like this together, and know how to play Ashe. The motive is speculative, but sex seems likely both for the nature of the blackmail and the genre of story. Also, all the other potential candidates seem worse to me.

 

[Maviarab]

The Victoria theory, for me, came out of the lack of positive data, and built back from what little is known, writing conventions, and some betting. A bit like inferring there is dark matter out there, even if the astrophysicists can't point and say "there it is!"

So you're not wrong, but there isn't a positive case for anyone, though most evidence points at Delilah, but that points to an incomplete picture. Delilah blackmailing Ashe alone is rather ridiculous, but she obviously is acting suspicious, lies, and knows too much. None of which really matches her vibe towards Ashe. So, maybe she's working with someone. Who would Delilah trust enough to work against Ashe? Someone she loves and trusts implicitly, and that could convince her she is actually helping Ashe. That leads me to believe it's family. There's only 3 options there, Fiona is a horrid candidate for a blackmail partner for Delilah. Kate isn't much better, especially if you get sexual with her. So, Victoria. Victoria is a named but unseen character, so it wouldn't be completely out of left field (which would be poor writing). The timeline could match up if we propose that Victoria monitors her own bedroom, and while Ashe is making sure Zoey never gets a good perspective to notice her duplo status, she wasn't doing that to the rest of the room that could have had a camera. Victoria seems like she would have the resources and life experience to be able to put something like this together, and know how to play Ashe. The motive is speculative, but sex seems likely both for the nature of the blackmail and the genre of story. Also, all the other potential candidates seem worse to me.

LIke I said...completely wild theories...

All based on absolutely nothing shown or told. Victoria cuz...we ain't seen her and she's 'away'....jesus....do you realise how ridiculous you sound...if this...suppose we...if we...if that....

It's all completely baseless with nothing to even indicate it.

 

[Hungover00]

LIke I said...completely wild theories...

All based on absolutely nothing shown or told. Victoria cuz...we ain't seen her and she's 'away'....jesus....do you realise how ridiculous you sound...if this...suppose we...if we...if that....

It's all completely baseless with nothing to even indicate it.

Well, you have fun with your Spaceballs, we'll have fun how we want to.

 

[exjoker \SX]

A game potent in every aspect!

Haven't played this game since v 0.3.0. Hope that this game is making more progress in plot.

 

[Stan5851]

A game potent in every aspect!

Haven't played this game since v 0.3.0. Hope that this game is making more progress in plot.

I haven't played this game since 0.2.0 and have only returned now (deliberately taking a break so that more content could come out). And I can say that when I finished v 0.2 I was under the impression that we were in for a purely romantic story in the vein of Leap of Faith, but coming back in 0.5 I can see that the story has become much more intense, filled with detective elements, keeping the player in suspense and giving new food for thought.

When I played 0.2, there were not 3 different routes, now they are. True for me I chose only 1 route (Siren), it is what is close to me, but I have no doubt that there will be those who will be fun to play all 3. In general, I see that the game is developing.The only thing I would like to the dev - in the future to add to the game animation (if there is such a possibility).