VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.0] [Caribdis]

[osculim]

You can hear him dying...or at the very least that is strongly hinted at in the end.

Read the rest of what I said. I explained exactly why I think its not the case. He may be there but does that matter its permanent or is he gonna pop up somewhere else. Like he would have if he did in a game world. It is clear as day by now the real world is not real either.

 

[Redd23]

I just realized that we have another reason that Orion can't be dead for too long because

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And ffs we can't miss this chance, Dalia usually has some nice rewards...

 

[Takkatakka]

Read the rest of what I said. I explained exactly why I think its not the case. He may be there but does that matter its permanent or is he gonna pop up somewhere else. Like he would have if he did in a game world. It is clear as day by now the real world is not real either.

I'm not saying he stays dead, I'm just saying he IS dead at the end of 0.7 and something has to happen to change that or switch him out or something.

 

[Ichigo Kurosaki Shiba]

does Calypso count as one of the Main Li or perhaps will count that in the future releases?

 

[osculim]

I'm not saying he stays dead, I'm just saying he IS dead at the end of 0.7 and something has to happen to change that or switch him out or something.

Then we are on the same page and were just misunderstanding each other.

 

[Takkatakka]

Then we are on the same page and were just misunderstanding each other.

I mean...my joke from yesterday about the game being finish not withstanding, I'm indeed convinced the story will go on with Orion as the MC...the question only how he is brought back in 0.8.

 

[Cain Ig]

I think that there are three possible ways for 0.8 to approach this. The first is in my opinion is the more obvious one. First assume that Orion is not yet dead, that could open the possibility that Calypso comes over to the "real" world and heals Orion. Ok, sounds good, now we have a reason and drive to have Calypso appear in the real world.

The second and third ways are more on the far-fetched side of things in my opinion, and require the assumption that Orion is dead.

The second is that Idriel does some form of groundhog day and reverses time or creates a loop to a new beginning but warning Orion to not become arrogant and complacent in his abilities causing him to maybe be more careful.

My third and most unlikely is that he dies, but becomes an "NPC", specifically in a potential new server (maybe the new racing server, since we know it is not yet available to the public, but is under the control of the founder) and "breaks the chain" to become an "NPC with free will" and has to attempt to escape the server with the help of Calypso since escape portals don't help anymore due to him not being a projection (if he was in the first place) anymore. Or maybe he comes to the "real" world on his own since we have seen him enter Eternum on his own without gear before.

Again these are all theories and my personal thoughts on how the story could approach 0.8

 

[e6mill]

 

[osculim]

I mean...my joke from yesterday about the game being finish not withstanding, I'm indeed convinced the story will go on with Orion as the MC...the question only how he is brought back in 0.8.

What I get from this episode is it was very focused on the 3 girls getting them properly into his little harem so to speak. As for 0.8 I would find it really cool if goes to some afterlife realm or something and have to find his way back. Like you know when folks die and then get resuscitated at the hospital. You sometimes here them talk about seeing thing while they were dead for those few minutes.

 

[Tipster]

Its been a while since I played this game, thanks for the update.

 

[Redd23]

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[Radish Cruton]

I haven't played much of the new version, but don't you think that Annie in the 0.7version looks worse than she used to be? Or is it just my feeling or I didn't play much?

Agreed.

Even in earlier episodes people have pointed out how some characters look different than they have in the past and I agree. Caribdis has said that he doesn’t change the models, just the hair and lighting and things like that, and I believe the guy. That said, yes, some of the characters absolutely look different from episode to episode, and Annie in 0.7 looks different than she did earlier. Maybe there is enough in the lighting and hair and other settings to account for this, I’m no HS2 expert so I can’t say.

 

[Skep-tiker]

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maybe you need a compatibility of 100% to became an immortal - or MC has a compatibility of 100% because he's immortal ?

 

[mfj]

Why not, I'm jumping on the cliffhanger theorizing 'cause why the hell not?

In short, I don't believe Orion is dead or that he will die. A few reasons for that. #1 is that this would be a pretty shitty story if the MC died halfway through. This isn't Game of Thrones, so the story isn't built to have those kinds of twists. Everything in the story revolves around Orion, and even Nancy says he's "the glue holding everyone together". There's too much going on for the story to just gun him down and leave it at that. That's just me thinking about storytelling logic that I don't think would kill him off.

#2 is there's no real confirmation that he's dead. Idrial says she can't control/foresee what happens in the "real" world, only in Eternum. I think she's just looking at it as death is the most likely outcome, but nothing is set in stone. This is a cliffhanger and is meant to keep us guessing on an exciting turn of events with no immediate outcome. Nothing new there, it happens every update.

I don't think we're going to swap for a "different" Orion, which would gain nothing for the story and loose the investment we built with "this" Orion. I think he's going to survive in an unexpected way. Honestly I think Calypso is going to have a hand in saving him. We know that the worlds in Eternum actually exist in sort of multiverse way, and we know Orion has a special connection with Cali. He's been able to summon her at Warthogs and has been able to access his abilities in the real world. So far just with his reaction time, but that's part of his powers in Eternum. Cali's tried to use exit portals or summon her own portal to the real word in the past but was unable to do so. Orion has also crossed into Eternum on his own appearing in front of Cali. I think that somehow the two are going to be able to connect and pull her over, being the person with the powers needed to heal/save him.

Also as to why I think its very unlikely that Orion dies there, does anyone remember when Luna touched Annie's hand and had a vision? One that made her look between Orion and Annie, the immediately look down at herself and blush? Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. She at the very least saw those two doing something intimate, but I think it involves all three of them. She wasn't angry or hurt, just surprised looking at herself saying "there's no way that can happen". Can't have something like that is one of them is dead...

 

[AnonW123]

I'm not saying he stays dead, I'm just saying he IS dead at the end of 0.7 and something has to happen to change that or switch him out or something.

Except we don't know that he is dead. He seems dead. He could just be passed out from blood loss or shock or whatever. No one expects him to actually be dead or stay dead. He could end up in a hospital and be treated.

 

[Deleted member 6866577]

I'm not saying he stays dead, I'm just saying he IS dead at the end of 0.7 and something has to happen to change that or switch him out or something.

Do you know when Orion arrives in kredon, he received a mysterious phone call, I think this mysterious person somehow help him, it's just a guess like others, I know it's a dumb guess but still, nothing have clarified about that person yet.

 

[e6mill]

Do you know when Orion arrives in kredon, he received a mysterious phone call, I think this mysterious person somehow help him, it's just a guess like others, I know it's a dumb guess but still, nothing have clarified about that person yet.

I noticed that the voice on the phone and Billy Bardot both seemed determined to make Calypso an "it"...

 

[Takkatakka]

Except we don't know that he is dead. He seems dead. He could just be passed out from blood loss or shock or whatever. No one expects him to actually be dead or stay dead. He could end up in a hospital and be treated.

Cari build in an exhale sound effect that definitely sounded like this is supposed to be his last breath. Sure, he could resolve this in 0.8 with a cheap cop out anyway, if he wants to, but that would be really weak.

 

[ename144]

I must say...overall I found the update a tad disappointing compared to 0.6 or 0.5.

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So...yeah...it probably sounds a lot more negative than I actually mean it, but "relatively" speaking I found it a weaker update with a bunch of problems.

I agree with you about the story. The actions of the MC don't feel very connected to the stated goals, and the subplots wind up feeling rushed - we don't get a proper setup, a bunch of things just happen, and then we're off to start the next one (or the cliffhanger) without any wrap-up.

Maybe this chapter would have benefited from being split into two chapters and fleshing out the details better? The cliffhanger was a little heavy handed, but it was effective and hopefully will result in the MC maturing a bit going forward. It's just that the path getting there felt very much like busywork, and that undercuts the impact of the ending a bit.

As for the sex scenes, I've never liked them in this game, and this chapter was no exception. Caribdis has a very different sense of what constitutes romantic (or sexy) than I do. But I was sort of expecting that going in. The part that really confused me was Penny's path.

With most girls, it's almost comically easy to close their path off for good. But for whatever reason, Penny's path is practically bulletproof. Unless you're willing to side with Regina over Penny (and fat chance of that after the shit Regina pulled), the only other offramp is to refuse to go the original photoshoot with her all the way back in Chapter 2. That seems a little drastic given we were just getting to know the girls back then. But unless you turn her down cold (or again, side with Regina), you WILL develop a sexual relationship with her whether you want it or not.

Obviously the game is intended to be played as a harem so I'm not expecting a lot attention devoted to solo path options, but it's really weird how hard it is to turn Penny without blatantly metagaming. Even Nova's sex scene in the same chapter has an exit right before it that pays some lip service to making things up to her (though it's obviously going to break the poor girl's heart). But Penny's scene is utterly unavoidable once we get to this point and I don't get why.

 

[GamingSavant]

see this is why we can't have cliffhangers like this. Cuz now we gotta theorycraft for 6-7 months and that one obscure guess in the 100+ pages that followed this version's release will be the correct one.

I agree with you about the story. The actions of the MC don't feel very connected to the stated goals, and the subplots wind up feeling rushed - we don't get a proper setup, a bunch of things just happen, and then we're off to start the next one (or the cliffhanger) without any wrap-up.

Maybe this chapter would have benefited from being split into two chapters and fleshing out the details better? The cliffhanger was a little heavy handed, but it was effective and hopefully will result in the MC maturing a bit going forward. It's just that the path getting there felt very much like busywork, and that undercuts the impact of the ending a bit.

As for the sex scenes, I've never liked them in this game, and this chapter was no exception. Caribdis has a very different sense of what constitutes romantic (or sexy) than I do. But I was sort of expecting that going in. The part that really confused me was Penny's path.

With most girls, it's almost comically easy to close their path off for good. But for whatever reason, Penny's path is practically bulletproof. Unless you're willing to side with Regina over Penny (and fat chance of that after the shit Regina pulled), the only other offramp is to refuse to go the original photoshoot with her all the way back in Chapter 2. That seems a little drastic given we were just getting to know the girls back then. But unless you turn her down cold (or again, side with Regina), you WILL develop a sexual relationship with her whether you want it or not.

Obviously the game is intended to be played as a harem so I'm not expecting a lot attention devoted to solo path options, but it's really weird how hard it is to turn Penny without blatantly metagaming. Even Nova's sex scene in the same chapter has an exit right before it that pays some lip service to making things up to her (though it's obviously going to break the poor girl's heart). But Penny's scene is utterly unavoidable once we get to this point and I don't get why.

Thing with Penny is she probably has the least amount of baggage tied to her out of basically any of the LIs. Yeah she has to deal with her career path struggle and balancing school and popularity, but her thing is mainly wanting to not be seen as just some pretty face with a killer bod, but someone who can also think for herself and be independent. She also just really likes Orion, having known him since they were kids, though doesn't have the super big crush Dalia has on him, the situations that presented themself created a bunch of sexual tension. So she just thought that if she could relieve it with him it'd be easy to let go of him as just "another guy". Turned out to be her biggest mistake/greatest choice ever because they're beyond compatible with each other, as she found out in this update. If it continues as is it's a matter of seeing him as more than just sexually compatible to him and more someone she can pour her feelings out towards.