I obviously don't know what Cari will do, but anyway you take it the resolution is likely to be a cop-out. Whether cheap or expensive (lol).Cari build in an exhale sound effect that definitely sounded like this is supposed to be his last breath. Sure, he could resolve this in 0.8 with a cheap cop out anyway, if he wants to, but that would be really weak.
Haven't finished the latest update yet, but I gotta say, I fucking shat myself when this happened:
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Gotta respect the amount of time you guys put into your theories, if what you said happened I think it could work, if well written, I mean... Carb could definitely pull it off, going back retaining your memories, kinda like Book 3 of Love of Magic, but instead of a different timeline just a restart in the time loop, it'd need a way to replay faster through all the events, since arriving by Train with Annie and Chang, or the game will become really massive, and what about all the built relationships with the characters, would that change too? Idk, all those complications might make this outcome difficult for the game.Fair warning I will yap and write a LOT here and I'll probably repeat a lot of things already said in the thread but I feel like theorizing, I'm really sorry for that LOL
I think this is actually really interesting to think about. He has been characterized to be extremely cocky, brash and meet obstacles. Most girls if not all of them have at LEAST one or two moments within their route which have Orion stating, with absolute certainty, that he will protect and take care of them, he's continuosly throwing himself into danger and having little to no regard for his safety, the more he won, the more arrogant he bacame I think you put it extremely well in your post. One thing to note is how he actually presumed he would win against the Werewolf Leader. He acted as if he was fodder, like fighting him was a chore he'd get over with in a second (only for him to get speedblitzed later on WITH his hax on, to me implying he never even had a chance - though that could've just been comic relief, it IS a Caribdis game lol).
What is really interesting to me is that It's always been clear something has been trying to guide Orion in a certain path. The first phone call he received just after reaching Kredon, the text that flashes on-screen for barely a frame when logging in ETERNUM, his dreams, with seemingly dead people begging him for help. - Though, I suppose now its half-confirmed that it was Idriel guiding him, and the NPCs / Souls asking for him to free them - To me this just means Cari had a clear vision on how much of the plot points and story beats would play out and how to hint towards them, that's really neat, but not what's so cool about this:
What I do think is really cool is how some variables are teasing stuff that goes along those 'guides' and 'secret messages'. Telling The Founder that you fight for others makes the variable "hero" true (this goes along what Dorfnutter mentioned about Orion having to actually act and BE the needed hero), whilst his next question asking you whether you'd sacrifice innocent lives to save your loved ones changes absolutely nothing at all, it just doesn't matter. Another thing to note is that the only girls to have a 'path' variable are the main ones, the exception being Calypso- i.e she's technically a main girl if we follow the code's logic. The game also seems to remember each coin flip decision and actually changes some real spicy bit of dialogue accordingly, and imples you should always choose Tails and that Tails is the right option in all occasions.
Unrelated note, but am I the only one happy with the Model and Animation changes? Unexpected, sure, but I don't think anyone looks particularly ugly. I actually think the changes make a lot of sense with the characters. Annie is cuter, Dalia, Penelope and Nancy look more similar and seem actually related, and everyone's 'vibe' was maintained. The animations to me also have very clearly improved. Some may not like the 'realism' but I personally enjoy when the stretches strech, the jiggles jiggle and the plaps plap. I think the Game is headed on a very nice and enjoyable direction, my only nitpick is how quick I was to finish the update. I know I'm a fast reader, but did anyone feel like this one was really short?
Anyway, here's my batshit crazy theory, there's Spoilers for those who haven't played 0.7 or previous updates:
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i dont think Penny has least baggage. Personally i think nancy is the one with least baggage.see this is why we can't have cliffhangers like this. Cuz now we gotta theorycraft for 6-7 months and that one obscure guess in the 100+ pages that followed this version's release will be the correct one.
Thing with Penny is she probably has the least amount of baggage tied to her out of basically any of the LIs. Yeah she has to deal with her career path struggle and balancing school and popularity, but her thing is mainly wanting to not be seen as just some pretty face with a killer bod, but someone who can also think for herself and be independent. She also just really likes Orion, having known him since they were kids, though doesn't have the super big crush Dalia has on him, the situations that presented themself created a bunch of sexual tension. So she just thought that if she could relieve it with him it'd be easy to let go of him as just "another guy". Turned out to be her biggest mistake/greatest choice ever because they're beyond compatible with each other, as she found out in this update. If it continues as is it's a matter of seeing him as more than just sexually compatible to him and more someone she can pour her feelings out towards.
Thanks, it's been so long and I usually play everything from the beginning whenever there's a new update.In 0.6? No, she hardly appeared in that one. She had her family scenes in 0.5.
to play devils advocateNot super happy about this update. The 'teasing her about panties' option leads to inappropriate - one could even say sexual harassment, or maybe even sexual assault - fingering. Being aroused is not the same as giving consent. I'm also not a fan of rushed sex, like that on the lambo, no matter how hot it is. I'd rather take my time and fuck for hours. Not that the scene wasn't excellent. But I'd rather have more time. Also, Nova shouldn't force you to cum inside her like that. I know she's crazy, but still.
It also seems like the main plot is begging to drag on. At one point I was thinking "great, ANOTHER gem of doom." The problem, I think, is the protagonist's superiority. It doesn't seem like there's much in Eternum that can pose any possible threat to him, so there's little drama in the hunts for the gems of doom.
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what makes AVN different from porn is that its immersive so i can see logic behind it. i still agree with you that people are going too far to be sensitive about things but i dont blame anyone for putting real life values on visual novelwe're now talking consent in regards to pixels on the screen... ffs...
It's not about the pixels, it's about the story, and the fantasy. If you can't understand why I might want consent in my fantasies... ffs...we're now talking consent in regards to pixels on the screen... ffs...
Then write your bloody own then and stop bringing this lunacy into everything. Not everyone is as socially retarded as westerners. Some of us are still able to pick up non-verbal ques without a 10 page long consent form.It's not about the pixels, it's about the story, and the fantasy. If you can't understand why I might want consent in my fantasies... ffs...
Also, behavior in porn can also affect people's behavior in real life. What's shown as normal is assumed to be acceptable. Is this one scene going to cause thousands of sexual assaults? No. But is does it move people towards healthy behavior? Also, no.
no offence but you are not in the right here. You are trying to prove that someone is being overly sensitive but all you are doing is being overly sensitive yourself regarding your own agenda. Person merely expressed their opinion and while you simply disagreed with it i could have see your point but at this point you are acting as if you need to run a crusade on a pirate site for porn games which is kinda pathetic.Then write your bloody own then and stop bringing this lunacy into everything. Not everyone is as socially retarded as westerners. Some of us are still able to pick up non-verbal ques without a 10 page long consent form.
Then write your bloody own then and stop bringing this lunacy into everything. Not everyone is as socially retarded as westerners. Some of us are still able to pick up non-verbal ques without a 10 page long consent form.
Yeah, you seem really socially adept. That was sarcasm, since I'm guessing that's beyond your comprehension.Then write your bloody own then and stop bringing this lunacy into everything. Not everyone is as socially retarded as westerners. Some of us are still able to pick up non-verbal ques without a 10 page long consent form.
Totally agree with you, it's sure that she has seen a treesome with Annie and Orion. So dead guys don't fuck. So Orion will remain the main characterWhy not, I'm jumping on the cliffhanger theorizing 'cause why the hell not?
In short, I don't believe Orion is dead or that he will die. A few reasons for that. #1 is that this would be a pretty shitty story if the MC died halfway through. This isn't Game of Thrones, so the story isn't built to have those kinds of twists. Everything in the story revolves around Orion, and even Nancy says he's "the glue holding everyone together". There's too much going on for the story to just gun him down and leave it at that. That's just me thinking about storytelling logic that I don't think would kill him off.
#2 is there's no real confirmation that he's dead. Idrial says she can't control/foresee what happens in the "real" world, only in Eternum. I think she's just looking at it as death is the most likely outcome, but nothing is set in stone. This is a cliffhanger and is meant to keep us guessing on an exciting turn of events with no immediate outcome. Nothing new there, it happens every update.
I don't think we're going to swap for a "different" Orion, which would gain nothing for the story and loose the investment we built with "this" Orion. I think he's going to survive in an unexpected way. Honestly I think Calypso is going to have a hand in saving him. We know that the worlds in Eternum actually exist in sort of multiverse way, and we know Orion has a special connection with Cali. He's been able to summon her at Warthogs and has been able to access his abilities in the real world. So far just with his reaction time, but that's part of his powers in Eternum. Cali's tried to use exit portals or summon her own portal to the real word in the past but was unable to do so. Orion has also crossed into Eternum on his own appearing in front of Cali. I think that somehow the two are going to be able to connect and pull her over, being the person with the powers needed to heal/save him.
Also as to why I think its very unlikely that Orion dies there, does anyone remember when Luna touched Annie's hand and had a vision? One that made her look between Orion and Annie, the immediately look down at herself and blush? Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. She at the very least saw those two doing something intimate, but I think it involves all three of them. She wasn't angry or hurt, just surprised looking at herself saying "there's no way that can happen". Can't have something like that is one of them is dead...