VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.0] [Caribdis]

[Cherubin25]

I think the dev kinda hinted at the "Pen" option being the correct choice given that it stood out the most among the other possible "compliments" you could give Alex - since it is fairly obvious that she must get all those other stuff complimented daily, Orion complimenting her pen makes Orion stand out to her, in a sea of other worshippers she encounters daily.

I dont know, this is a very obscure things IMO.

I mean, I get the overall intention, obviously Alex hears a lot of those compliments of others who want to get in her pants. And she is also kind of the cool personality, one of those you dont get easy with standard compliments.

But I am not really the kind of guy who can get behind saying that someone has a beautiful pen. In the game, you get an option to say this and even this is kinda obscure. Just imagine you dont have these options and a friend of yours tells you to compliment her pen. You would think that this friend lost his marbels.

 

[The Senior Perv]

Because I am pretty sure, people who dont care about Penny would care even less about scenes of Penny with another Dude.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

(Personally, I just want to see the world burn. I just love crybabies who pick a dumb choice and then cry that this dumb choice is bad)

You underestimate the people who will want a continuation of a different path where you rejected Penny and she is with another guy and their plot continues longer and how a separate story progresse, If dev decides to create something like this drama and plot...

Should Cari waste her time on this? But knowing how many people have been enjoying the "Bad ending" other games and its continuation of the story lately, the developer will be under pressure from fans.

It's not about crying people, but extra hassle on both sides, those who want bad endings and those who follow the plot. I'm certainly not against drama, only if it matters or where we are shown an alternative like a bad ending "What if..." after a wrong choice, but wasting your nerves is not for Cari, but let him decide what's best. Personally, I've never been particularly keen on bad endings or not refusing LI, I just go my own way and enjoy them)))

 

[Takkatakka]

Honestly Penny with another guy would just needlessly lead to tons of additional renders and dialogue over the course of the game if you want to do it right. And yeah...there would be a minor shit storm as well, especially by the Penny stans that would never even see the scene. But the option being there that she is the girl to kinda cuck Orion, even if it is only an option...why would Cari ever do that to himself?

 

[Cherubin25]

You underestimate the people who will want a continuation of a different path where you rejected Penny and she is with another guy and their plot continues longer and how a separate story progresse, If dev decides to create something like this drama and plot...

Should Cari waste her time on this? But knowing how many people have been enjoying the "Bad ending" other games and its continuation of the story lately, the developer will be under pressure from fans.

It's not about crying people, but extra hassle on both sides, those who want bad endings and those who follow the plot. I'm certainly not against drama, only if it matters or where we are shown an alternative like a bad ending "What if..." after a wrong choice, but wasting your nerves is not for Cari, but let him decide what's best. Personally, I've never been particularly keen on bad endings or not refusing LI, I just go my own way and enjoy them)))

I think it is pretty clear that there will never be a path in this game like that. But it is clear that if you reject a LI (or simply fuck up), their life will go on and they will be together with someone else.

But I dont think that this should really be a fleshed out path, because in the end, this game does not feature NTR and therefore nobody should expect that much commitment to such a path. And while some certainly will hope for it, they will really be a minority.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

For Dalia that one was pretty obvious but I could see some girls being more of a "no means yes" kind of girl. Doesn't seem to fit for any of the Eternum girls other than maybe Alex though. She seems to like it kind of rough.

I always assume a no means no, so I would never choose that option for Dalia or anyone (I did try it out of curiosity to see how bad she reacted, but that´s not the canon playthrough, it´s more of a what if scenario). Every girl that has had a penetration sex scene has liked it rough. Dalia said she can take it harder than her sister and I can´t wait to see that happening.
Alex is more of a flirty girl, she seems to like to push boundaries just to see where the MC might go. I mean, if she really wasn´t in the mood, she wouldn´t be walking around in a shirt and thong and then take off her shirt like no big deal.

 

[khumak]

I always assume a no means no, so I would never choose that option for Dalia or anyone (I did try it out of curiosity to see how bad she reacted, but that´s not the canon playthrough, it´s more of a what if scenario). Every girl that has had a penetration sex scene has liked it rough. Dalia said she can take it harder than her sister and I can´t wait to see that happening.
Alex is more of a flirty girl, she seems to like to push boundaries just to see where the MC might go. I mean, if she really wasn´t in the mood, she wouldn´t be walking around in a shirt and thong and then take off her shirt like no big deal.

Yeah I just meant Alex seemed the closest to enjoying being dominated, that final sex scene being the most clear cut example to me. I'm talking about more the type who likes to put up a little "token resistance" and then be dominated and none of the Eternum girls really seem to be that type. I have seen plenty of other games where they have girls who fit that mold though. Just need to set it up so it's clear that it's a "no means yes" scenario rather than a rape scenario. The first type I find pretty hot. The second type I'm not into.

Bill Burr has a hilarious comedy routine that explains the difference better than I did.

 

[bolenart]

I bet that the time Cari spent thinking of the pen compliment is a fraction of the time people here spend analyzing it, and I'm glad that's the case, because with that level of attention of detail we would be waiting for update 0.4 at this point rather than for 0.8.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

Yeah I just meant Alex seemed the closest to enjoying being dominated, that final sex scene being the most clear cut example to me. I'm talking about more the type who likes to put up a little "token resistance" and then be dominated and none of the Eternum girls really seem to be that type. I have seen plenty of other games where they have girls who fit that mold though. Just need to set it up so it's clear that it's a "no means yes" scenario rather than a rape scenario. The first type I find pretty hot. The second type I'm not into.

Bill Burr has a hilarious comedy routine that explains the difference better than I did.

I think that Alex just has that whole tough girl thing going on but then once you break through it, she just...wants it. Idk, in the scene with the MC you see her teasing and teasing and then she didn´t let him touch her but then it´s okay if it´s just the tip and suddenly she´s hammering him on the couch. She really wanted it and had no idea how bad. The final act, with the MC pounding her on the floor (by the way, my favourite part of all the sex scenes in the game so far) is just Orion realizing how bad he wanted it too. It´s him saying "We´re done when I´m done".

I know that Bill Burr, it´s hilarious and true.

 

[Dunner]

If there is one criticism I would level at Eternum that it would be that a lot of the decisions are kinda pointless to begin with.

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You can either thank Nancy for bringing you a coffee or not. Guess which choice will increase her heart rating with Orion...

We both know the correct option should be to take the coffee from her, pin her on the nearest surface, give her a deep passionate kiss and then ravage her like in the elevator scene
GIVE YOUR RESIDENT HAG LOVE, PASSION AND RAW LUST!

[4chan moment over]

I bet that the time Cari spent thinking of the pen compliment is a fraction of the time people here spend analyzing it, and I'm glad that's the case, because with that level of attention of detail we would be waiting for update 0.4 at this point rather than for 0.8.

Why did you say pen? Is it a code for something?

Kowalski: Alexandra's pen is an object that reminds her of her grandmother. Probably.

 

[DaFinker]

I bet that the time Cari spent thinking of the pen compliment is a fraction of the time people here spend analyzing it, and I'm glad that's the case, because with that level of attention of detail we would be waiting for update 0.4 at this point rather than for 0.8.

If you know any psychology, the pen isn't that difficult to come up with. She's a rich girl, smokin' hot, tat-rebel that's used to being sucked up too, but isn't into all of that (you can deduce some of this before the scene). When the choices are the "small brain" comments (looks or tats) and there's an alternative that's a little bit odd but not horn dog in any way, that's the obvious and natural choice, and it doesn't take that much devious thinking to write if that's already how you're wired as a writer. Of course, much of this community has difficulty thinking with anything other than the small brain, so I can see how that would be a problem for them.

 

[OnlyWorthyDevsMakeMoney]

Although I don't like HS2 as engine, this game seems pretty good, but there are far too many inner thoughts from the MC.

 

[Cherubin25]

I always assume a no means no, so I would never choose that option for Dalia or anyone (I did try it out of curiosity to see how bad she reacted, but that´s not the canon playthrough, it´s more of a what if scenario). Every girl that has had a penetration sex scene has liked it rough. Dalia said she can take it harder than her sister and I can´t wait to see that happening.
Alex is more of a flirty girl, she seems to like to push boundaries just to see where the MC might go. I mean, if she really wasn´t in the mood, she wouldn´t be walking around in a shirt and thong and then take off her shirt like no big deal.

^ this. "No means No" is a good approach most of the time, especially in more wholesome games which Eternum is.

And I think the only times where MC is not listening to the LI and it turns out positive is when it is out of control of the player. So I would assume that most if not all negative choices will lead to a lost path or a game over.

 

[-R1ck-]

Although I don't like HS2 as engine, this game seems pretty good, but there are far too many inner thoughts from the MC.

and what's the matter with inner thoughts

 

[OnlyWorthyDevsMakeMoney]

and what's the matter with inner thoughts

Waste of time.

 

[-R1ck-]

Waste of time.

no.

 

[Dorfnutter]

Although I don't like HS2 as engine, this game seems pretty good, but there are far too many inner thoughts from the MC.

Considering how his inner thoughts are a lot less yappy compared to other introspective VN MCs out there (i.e. Shirou from FSN, the MC from Lycoris Radiata, Valentine from STWA: Unbroken), this sounds more like a "you" problem I think.

 

[Fapparition]

Agreed, but I suppose its similar to Japanese VNs where you're meant to be replaying them anyway, and like you mentioned with the scrollback feature we can do it in an instant anyway. Nevertheless, smaller writing features like what you've mentioned would've made an already 10/10 game even better

Nah, not really. People replay japanese VNs because of the amount of endings/routes they provide. For example, School Days have like 20+ endings, here's the route map

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In Eternum we will probably have 1 harem ending which we can cripple by excluding LIs + several bad endings (which are not really endings) like it was OIALT. That means you really need to only play it once (harem ending) and you've seen it all

 

[browse_man]

Nah, not really. People replay japanese VNs because of the amount of endings/routes they provide. For example, School Days have like 20+ endings, here's the route map

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In Eternum we will probably have 1 harem ending which we can cripple by excluding LIs + several bad endings (which are not really endings) like it was OIALT

I mean, I only made the comparison to explain the "choices without context" decision to begin with. Besides, not all Japanese VNs have that many endings, most of the moege I play for instance have an ending for each heroine and MAYBE a true route if it isn't already part of the aforementioned. Aside from the bad ends of course.

 

[misfolk]

Nah, not really. People replay japanese VNs because of the amount of endings/routes they provide. For example, School Days have like 20+ endings, here's the route map

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In Eternum we will probably have 1 harem ending which we can cripple by excluding LIs + several bad endings (which are not really endings) like it was OIALT. That means you really need to only play it once (harem ending) and you've seen it all

This amount of routes doesn't mesh well with serializing your work. You have one path in episode 1, two paths in episode 2... all the way to 128 paths in episode 8. If episode 1 takes one month to make, episode 8 will take 11 years. So what can you do?

1. Abandon the game like GRRM abandoned ASOIAF, because it's unworkable
2. Make the paths shorter and shorter with each episode, which will mean that episode 8 will be just ending slides
3. Dramatically lower the production values, so you can squeeze more parts into a single release: 8 releases with 16 episode-sided chunks of content in each

Most Japanese VN historically take route 3: they have character sprites talk in front of blurred backgrounds for the vast bulk of the scenes. Cari, on the other hand, goes all in with detailed scenes, posing, lighting, camera angles.