VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.5 Public] [Caribdis]

[Takkatakka]

I still think that the backlash was stupid back then. Basicallly - choose a stupid choice and get a outcome you dont like. And I think this is fair.

And I am honest, the choices in Eternum (and OIALT) are super easy to pick. I mean, nobody would be stupid enough to sell Lauren to the Yakuza and thinks that this will be a good choice. And if someone does this choice, they should not complain about the outcome.

Same goes for Eternum. I think people who decide to abandon Penny and go with Regina deserve to get a bad outcome, because a) it is super-obvious and b) you are basically trading a 10/10 and Main-LI against the possibility of some fun with a 5/10 (even tho nothing happens anyway between MC and Regina).

(Also I think that the crying is funny if someone does a stupid choice and complaints about the outcome which was basically their decision...)

If there is one criticism I would level at Eternum that it would be that a lot of the decisions are kinda pointless to begin with.



You can either thank Nancy for bringing you a coffee or not. Guess which choice will increase her heart rating with Orion...

 

[Kraxen]

I still think that the backlash was stupid back then. Basicallly - choose a stupid choice and get a outcome you dont like. And I think this is fair.

And I am honest, the choices in Eternum (and OIALT) are super easy to pick. I mean, nobody would be stupid enough to sell Lauren to the Yakuza and thinks that this will be a good choice. And if someone does this choice, they should not complain about the outcome.

Same goes for Eternum. I think people who decide to abandon Penny and go with Regina deserve to get a bad outcome, because a) it is super-obvious and b) you are basically trading a 10/10 and Main-LI against the possibility of some fun with a 5/10 (even tho nothing happens anyway between MC and Regina).

(Also I think that the crying is funny if someone does a stupid choice and complaints about the outcome which was basically their decision...)

I second this, the bad choices are very obviously the wrong ones, especially when it comes to choices like selling Lauren. Anyone who picks such a choice should get a bad ending/lose a path and not cry about it as it was very obvious in hindsight (and they can just rollback), however not all people get that, it seems.

In my opinion, the choices should still exist, more content never hurt anybody and the outcomes would still be there for the fraction of players that would appreciate them, but a loud minority (I assume it's a minority as I can't see any reasonable person reacting in any way more significant than "it's not my cup of tea, and I didn't pick it, but let people like what they like, I guess") complained and here we are.

Besides people complaining, I assume the reason as to why there's not gonna be any NTR in Eternum is because, generally most people don't enjoy NTR or get too attached to the characters (the things that come with excellent writing, I guess ) and therefore don't want to see the girls get boned by anyone but Orion. Also, not having to develop any NTR scenes or dialogue probably shortens the development time, so that's a bonus.

 

[Cherubin25]

If there is one criticism I would level at Eternum that it would be that a lot of the decisions are kinda pointless to begin with.

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You can either thank Nancy for bringing you a coffee or not. Guess which choice will increase her heart rating with Orion...

True, but this is the case for most games. Most games basically ask "Do you want to have Sex?" or "Do you want to have an imaginary point for your LI?".

And I think this is fine for Eternum, because all of the rest is top notch. And if we would include some actual branching, this would just increase the Development Time by a lot, simply because Caribdis would have to make variations of scenes.
There are some games here with really a lot of branching. I wont name it, but there is one where you can basically choose a Romantic Route, a Submissive Route or a Slave Route for the LIs. And on top of having 3 routes for each LI, there are also combinations of different routes possible, e.g when you have a LI on the Romance Route and another one on the Slave Route that they interact different with each other (or exclude specific routes, e.g. if you have LI A on the Slave-Route, you will not be able to have LI B on the Romance-Route).

But this is really ambitious and I am fine with Eternum mainly having flavor choices, because it would probably be a lot of extra work. And I also dont think that the Dev himself would really like branching, e.g. I cannot really see that there is the option for a more dominate approach to the LIs, e.g. more Sexfriend/fuck buddy than potential Boyfriend/Girlfriend.

But yeah, choices like the one you mentioned are a bit silly, but I guess you have to have some way to earn points... ^^

 

[Cherubin25]

I second this, the bad choices are very obviously the wrong ones, especially when it comes to choices like selling Lauren. Anyone who picks such a choice should get a bad ending/lose a path and not cry about it as it was very obvious in hindsight (and they can just rollback), however not all people get that, it seems.

In my opinion, the choices should still exist, more content never hurt anybody and the outcomes would still be there for the fraction of players that would appreciate them, but a loud minority (I assume it's a minority as I can't see any reasonable person reacting in any way more significant than "it's not my cup of tea, and I didn't pick it, but let people like what they like, I guess") complained and here we are.

Besides people complaining, I assume the reason as to why there's not gonna be any NTR in Eternum is because, generally most people don't enjoy NTR or get too attached to the characters (the things that come with excellent writing, I guess ) and therefore don't want to see the girls get boned by anyone but Orion. Also, not having to develop any NTR scenes or dialogue probably shortens the development time, so that's a bonus.

The only thing which speaks against having such choices and scenes is simply that it would be additional Dev-Time. E.g. when the Regina-choice came first out, there was no scene for MC doing stuff with her. And I think it was totally fine that there was nothing, because it leads to a lost path with Penny and nearly nobody would actually choose the scene with Regina when it resolves into losing Penny. Later Caribdis added a reaction of a sobbing and VERY disappointed Penny.

Which is also something most people dont want, but will cause less drama than Penny leaving the party with another Dude after seeing MC with Regina. Even tho I personally would like such a scene, not because I think that NTR has a place in this game (it is very clearly a Harem-Game), but because it would be a good "Punishment"-scene and also I would enjoy the Drama.

But I can also see people unsubscribing from Patreon if that happens, lol. But in general, I would like to have bad scenes/outcomes for obviously wrong choices, but again... They need to be created and in the end, most people will not pick them and those who pick them will just rollback. (And I also think that the Lauren-scene was just genius in OIALT. It was one of the most obvious wrong choices possible and even leads to a Bad End. Something like that can be impactful)

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Which is also something most people dont want, but will cause less drama than Penny leaving the party with another Dude after seeing MC with Regina. Even tho I personally would like such a scene, not because I think that NTR has a place in this game (it is very clearly a Harem-Game), but because it would be a good "Punishment"-scene and also I would enjoy the Drama.

If we throw the whole discussion back and dwell on it, there is a reason why we shouldn't continue such a scene, besides the length of work for an update. If Cari decided to continue such a scene separately and promote it, it would become two/three separate routes such as the harem and the non-MC relationship, not only would this interfere with the development plan, it would also ruin the balance of the plot and interest in many LI!

Drama? It won't work, if Cari suddenly decides to continue this path as you want, then after a few updates other people want and will insist that Dev continue the bad ending, you can't escape from it.
If you continue the route where Mc broke someone's heart, do it as a "Bad ending" or just close "The Heart and path" and never hear about it again unless you are on their routes.

So it's better to close this discussion ntr and move on. We have enough cliffhangers from Cari

 

[khumak]

I still think that the backlash was stupid back then. Basicallly - choose a stupid choice and get a outcome you dont like. And I think this is fair.

And I am honest, the choices in Eternum (and OIALT) are super easy to pick. I mean, nobody would be stupid enough to sell Lauren to the Yakuza and thinks that this will be a good choice. And if someone does this choice, they should not complain about the outcome.

Same goes for Eternum. I think people who decide to abandon Penny and go with Regina deserve to get a bad outcome, because a) it is super-obvious and b) you are basically trading a 10/10 and Main-LI against the possibility of some fun with a 5/10 (even tho nothing happens anyway between MC and Regina).

(Also I think that the crying is funny if someone does a stupid choice and complaints about the outcome which was basically their decision...)

Some of the bad choices are obvious but not all of them. There are some cases where pushing your luck is the good option and other times where it's the bad option. Also in an adult game you never know when a dev is going to reward you for being unreasonable.

I don't care if a game has NTR stuff in it though if it's avoidable. If there's a heavy focus on it then that means the game probably isn't for me because I'll end up never seeing it but as kind of a "bad ending" kind of option for screwing up I have no problem with it.

The photo shoot option with Penny where you can convince her to get naked for that other scumbag is a good example. That's not an option that anyone should think would be a good choice but there's some interesting renders worth seeing if you pick it despite the obvious bad outcome.

 

[khumak]

If there is one criticism I would level at Eternum that it would be that a lot of the decisions are kinda pointless to begin with.

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You can either thank Nancy for bringing you a coffee or not. Guess which choice will increase her heart rating with Orion...

I have more of an issue with the choices where there's not enough context to make the correct decision without a walk through, a restart, or save scumming. For instance the dialog with Alex where you can compliment her on her pen. If there was a previous conversation where there were clues like the choice with Penny where you have to decide between donuts vs coffee and how many sugars in the coffee then that's fine (she mentions liking her coffee with 3 sugars in a previous conversation so if you paid attention you know the answer later).

For a game like this it's usually pretty obvious, and if I make the wrong choice I can just click back and redo until I get it right. So not a big deal either way.

 

[browse_man]

I have more of an issue with the choices where there's not enough context to make the correct decision without a walk through, a restart, or save scumming. For instance the dialog with Alex where you can compliment her on her pen. If there was a previous conversation where there were clues like the choice with Penny where you have to decide between donuts vs coffee and how many sugars in the coffee then that's fine (she mentions liking her coffee with 3 sugars in a previous conversation so if you paid attention you know the answer later).

For a game like this it's usually pretty obvious, and if I make the wrong choice I can just click back and redo until I get it right. So not a big deal either way.

Agreed, but I suppose its similar to Japanese VNs where you're meant to be replaying them anyway, and like you mentioned with the scrollback feature we can do it in an instant anyway. Nevertheless, smaller writing features like what you've mentioned would've made an already 10/10 game even better

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

I still think that the backlash was stupid back then. Basicallly - choose a stupid choice and get a outcome you dont like. And I think this is fair.

And I am honest, the choices in Eternum (and OIALT) are super easy to pick. I mean, nobody would be stupid enough to sell Lauren to the Yakuza and thinks that this will be a good choice. And if someone does this choice, they should not complain about the outcome.

Same goes for Eternum. I think people who decide to abandon Penny and go with Regina deserve to get a bad outcome, because a) it is super-obvious and b) you are basically trading a 10/10 and Main-LI against the possibility of some fun with a 5/10 (even tho nothing happens anyway between MC and Regina).

(Also I think that the crying is funny if someone does a stupid choice and complaints about the outcome which was basically their decision...)

Or if you choose to rape Dalia. There is some choices with some nuance, but the really bad ones are clearly very bad.

 

[Filipis]

I have more of an issue with the choices where there's not enough context to make the correct decision without a walk through, a restart, or save scumming. For instance the dialog with Alex where you can compliment her on her pen. If there was a previous conversation where there were clues like the choice with Penny where you have to decide between donuts vs coffee and how many sugars in the coffee then that's fine (she mentions liking her coffee with 3 sugars in a previous conversation so if you paid attention you know the answer later).

For a game like this it's usually pretty obvious, and if I make the wrong choice I can just click back and redo until I get it right. So not a big deal either way.

I think the dev kinda hinted at the "Pen" option being the correct choice given that it stood out the most among the other possible "compliments" you could give Alex - since it is fairly obvious that she must get all those other stuff complimented daily, Orion complimenting her pen makes Orion stand out to her, in a sea of other worshippers she encounters daily.

 

[khumak]

Or if you choose to rape Dalia. There is some choices with some nuance, but the really bad ones are clearly very bad.

For Dalia that one was pretty obvious but I could see some girls being more of a "no means yes" kind of girl. Doesn't seem to fit for any of the Eternum girls other than maybe Alex though. She seems to like it kind of rough.

 

[SteveyP]

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ETERNUM FAN ART CONTEST We're excited to announce the second official Eternum Fan Art Contest! For the next few weeks, we will be taking submissions of fan art relating to Eternum and at the end, giving out prizes to the top 3 artists! PRIZES: 1st place: Demon Lord tier access to 0.8 (including Discord role and Patreon benefits) or $100 Steam Gift Card 2nd place: God tier access to 0.8 (including Discord role and Patreon benefits) or $50 Steam Gift Card 3rd place: Eternumite tier access to 0.8 (including Discord role and Patreon benefits) or $25 Steam Gift Card RULES AND INFO:

1. No character creator renders (Honey Select, Daz, Blender, etc.) or usage of AI. Art must be hand-drawn through physical (painting, pencil, etc.) or digital (Adobe Illustrator, Paint.NET, etc.) means.
2. This time we're having a theme! Of course, the art must be Eternum-related, but the theme is Autumn/Halloween. Please try to incorporate the theme into your art. It's up to you to choose the character(s) and setting! Art may be SFW or NSFW.
3. Post your art submission in
   
   ⁠Caribdis Games⁠〉fan-art (or DM it to me if you wish to remain anonymous).
4. If you have posted fan art on this server before, you may not use previously posted fan art as your submission. The art must be new and never-before-seen! Additionally, one artist may submit multiple art pieces, but only one of their pieces can win.
5. We will be taking submissions until October 10th. After that, the Gods, Demon Lords, Founders, mods, and I will vote on our favorites.

And of course, remember that the ultimate goal is to have fun! Thank you to everyone who decides to join

I've seen some really good fan-art on the discord. Even though I'm not talented enough to participate, I'm pretty excited to see what others cook up.

 

[quorkboy]

I have more of an issue with the choices where there's not enough context to make the correct decision without a walk through, a restart, or save scumming. For instance the dialog with Alex where you can compliment her on her pen. If there was a previous conversation where there were clues like the choice with Penny where you have to decide between donuts vs coffee and how many sugars in the coffee then that's fine (she mentions liking her coffee with 3 sugars in a previous conversation so if you paid attention you know the answer later).

For a game like this it's usually pretty obvious, and if I make the wrong choice I can just click back and redo until I get it right. So not a big deal either way.

There were clues to what Alex would perceive as a compliment. They didn't point directly to complimenting her pen (which I don't think she cared that much about). But away from complimenting her beauty or tattoos or swimming skills, because those are the easy compliments everyone gives. Her liking the pen compliment wasn't about the pen. It was about choosing something that most people wouldn't. And being sincere about it.

 

[Cherubin25]

If Cari decided to continue such a scene separately and promote it, it would become two/three separate routes such as the harem and the non-MC relationship, not only would this interfere with the development plan, it would also ruin the balance of the plot and interest in many LI!

I dont know how you think I meant this as a separate route. It would be one scene.

Because I am pretty sure, people who dont care about Penny would care even less about scenes of Penny with another Dude.

(Personally, I just want to see the world burn. I just love crybabies who pick a dumb choice and then cry that this dumb choice is bad)

 

[Cherubin25]

I think the dev kinda hinted at the "Pen" option being the correct choice given that it stood out the most among the other possible "compliments" you could give Alex - since it is fairly obvious that she must get all those other stuff complimented daily, Orion complimenting her pen makes Orion stand out to her, in a sea of other worshippers she encounters daily.

I dont know, this is a very obscure things IMO.

I mean, I get the overall intention, obviously Alex hears a lot of those compliments of others who want to get in her pants. And she is also kind of the cool personality, one of those you dont get easy with standard compliments.

But I am not really the kind of guy who can get behind saying that someone has a beautiful pen. In the game, you get an option to say this and even this is kinda obscure. Just imagine you dont have these options and a friend of yours tells you to compliment her pen. You would think that this friend lost his marbels.

 

[The Senior Perv]

Because I am pretty sure, people who dont care about Penny would care even less about scenes of Penny with another Dude.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

(Personally, I just want to see the world burn. I just love crybabies who pick a dumb choice and then cry that this dumb choice is bad)

You underestimate the people who will want a continuation of a different path where you rejected Penny and she is with another guy and their plot continues longer and how a separate story progresse, If dev decides to create something like this drama and plot...

Should Cari waste her time on this? But knowing how many people have been enjoying the "Bad ending" other games and its continuation of the story lately, the developer will be under pressure from fans.

It's not about crying people, but extra hassle on both sides, those who want bad endings and those who follow the plot. I'm certainly not against drama, only if it matters or where we are shown an alternative like a bad ending "What if..." after a wrong choice, but wasting your nerves is not for Cari, but let him decide what's best. Personally, I've never been particularly keen on bad endings or not refusing LI, I just go my own way and enjoy them)))

 

[Takkatakka]

Honestly Penny with another guy would just needlessly lead to tons of additional renders and dialogue over the course of the game if you want to do it right. And yeah...there would be a minor shit storm as well, especially by the Penny stans that would never even see the scene. But the option being there that she is the girl to kinda cuck Orion, even if it is only an option...why would Cari ever do that to himself?

 

[Cherubin25]

You underestimate the people who will want a continuation of a different path where you rejected Penny and she is with another guy and their plot continues longer and how a separate story progresse, If dev decides to create something like this drama and plot...

Should Cari waste her time on this? But knowing how many people have been enjoying the "Bad ending" other games and its continuation of the story lately, the developer will be under pressure from fans.

It's not about crying people, but extra hassle on both sides, those who want bad endings and those who follow the plot. I'm certainly not against drama, only if it matters or where we are shown an alternative like a bad ending "What if..." after a wrong choice, but wasting your nerves is not for Cari, but let him decide what's best. Personally, I've never been particularly keen on bad endings or not refusing LI, I just go my own way and enjoy them)))

I think it is pretty clear that there will never be a path in this game like that. But it is clear that if you reject a LI (or simply fuck up), their life will go on and they will be together with someone else.

But I dont think that this should really be a fleshed out path, because in the end, this game does not feature NTR and therefore nobody should expect that much commitment to such a path. And while some certainly will hope for it, they will really be a minority.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

For Dalia that one was pretty obvious but I could see some girls being more of a "no means yes" kind of girl. Doesn't seem to fit for any of the Eternum girls other than maybe Alex though. She seems to like it kind of rough.

I always assume a no means no, so I would never choose that option for Dalia or anyone (I did try it out of curiosity to see how bad she reacted, but that´s not the canon playthrough, it´s more of a what if scenario). Every girl that has had a penetration sex scene has liked it rough. Dalia said she can take it harder than her sister and I can´t wait to see that happening.
Alex is more of a flirty girl, she seems to like to push boundaries just to see where the MC might go. I mean, if she really wasn´t in the mood, she wouldn´t be walking around in a shirt and thong and then take off her shirt like no big deal.