VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.0] [Caribdis]

[Idontplay]

I just had a thought about her ability to read minds too. If Alex isn't really there and she is just a virtual construct, then that means that Calypso was taping into the implant in her brain. If Calypso is an AI, then she is able to access people's minds via their implants which is crazy. And if she isn't an AI and there is some kind of real realm jumping going on than that means that means that she is able to read people's minds through their astral projections, which is also crazy. Need to think on this more...

The ability to penetrate in the others' mind and control it, is one of the basic thematic of the fiction based on the concept of the neural implant, of the demonic possession and of the psychic powers. So the question is: is Eternum compatible with those concepts?
You already know the answer…

What happens to different entities when they are killed? And excommunicated?

Normal NPC - just respawned? Can they be excommunicated?
Player - level reset, permaban or actual death on excommunication.
Calypso - ??
Chop Chop - ??
Praetorian - ??

Praetorians can excommunicate, but are there other entities that can do that or can learn to do that?

I think we could suppose there are two/three different kind of NPCs: the artificial ones, the professional (or human) ones and the supernatural ones; at least this is what I suppose.
The artificial NPCs are artificial intelligences, created to perform the more basic roles in the various setting; like a redneck in a medieval world, a prostitute, the bear killed by Nova…
The professional (or human) NPCs are actors hired to perform more complex roles; the Headmaster of Warthogs, the Praetorians and Chop Chop could be professional NPCs.
The supernatural NPCs are supernatural entities (vampires, werewolves, elfs, daemons…) "enslaved" by Ulysses to be part of the Eternum setting. Of course this kind of NPCs can exist only if Eternum is actually a techno-magic multiverse; otherwise they would be "only" highly advanced artificial NPCs.
Why I have written: "The supernatural NPCs are supernatural entities (vampires, werewolves, elfs, daemons…) "enslaved" by Ulysses…"? Due to the dreams in which a girl asks to Orion if he would help them, because I think it opens the door to two kind of scenarios (not incompatible with each other), in which the not human NPCs are highly advanced AI (so advanced to have gain the self-awareness) and/or supernatural beings enslaved by Ulysses. In fact what we know about Calypso is compatible with both the scenario: she can be an actual elf princess not completely subjugated to Ulysses will or an AI who don't know it is an AI due to some issues in its programming; the Praetorians said she wasn't ready to be used…

 

[BiggestDickest]

Does anyone else know other visual novels made using Honey Select 2? Most VNs seem to be still stuck with Honey Select 1, which looks too plasticy in my opinion.

 

[HogRocket]

Chop Chop's likely a player given his comments about his son going through college but ending up a total

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but it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up being revealed as a Syndicate member, given his knack for being everywhere and popping up when you least expect him to (like a certain Stabby person from the dev's past game).

As for NPCs, I dunno. The only NPCs I can recall were the ones in Luna's mystery server, the summons, the monsters in various worlds...and well, one of them is technically undead, so...

...you know, that's one of the things that struck me as odd about the game. We've met a lot of players in various servers...but hardly any NPCs. The only other ones aside from the ones I've already mentioned are Calypso, Idriel, and the Praetorians. But even their status as NPCs is kinda sus. So it's kinda hard to gauge if they can be permakilled or respawn after a certain point.

As for entities that can "excommunicate" aside from the Praetorians...that's a hard one to predict since we still don't know how "excommunication" really works. Is it a spell that cuts off the link between you and your projected self? A magic bomb that travels through your link from your projected self to your real self and kills you upon contact? A program that automatically fries your brain if you cross a Praetorian and get killed by it? A status effect or debuff that will get you insta-killed in the real if you get killed by a Praetorian or anyone sanctioned to do so (i.e. the mercenary players that the Praetorians were with in Ogygia)?

Yeah, we need more evidence in this regard if we're going to draw some solid theories or conclusions.

I'm gonna call it here first. Chop-Chop is the Founder. He shows up everywhere to keep tabs on the players and the game. He is especially interested in the MC because the MC is his son/past self or father on a different timeline/arch enemy/ etc. He is there to watch over the MC and make sure nothing really bad happens to him and steer him in the right direction subtly (so subtly that no one, not even we as observers can tell he's anything other than bat-shit-crazy).

It's even possible that Chop-Chop is Stabby Mike in disguise. We have never seen Chop-Chop and Stabby Mike together in the same place at the same time (Batman/Bruce Wayne, Superman/CLark Kent syndrome)

 

[Idontplay]

I think it makes sense.

 

[Machete]

Sneak peek on

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. Slight spoilers, but looks like it’s really going to be Orion’s 11.

Let me say i strongly approve your screen name. Why not an actual Coaxmetal avatar though?

 

[Machete]

By the way i think chop chop is meant to be like the parody of a gold farmer or something. He's basically a guy that actually works on Eternum, since you can easely convert the game currency in actual money.

I don't think he will turn to be more then this unless Cardibis goes for a cheap plot twist. He's a comic relief.

 

[Coaxmetal]

Let me say i strongly approve your screen name. Why not an actual Coaxmetal avatar though?

Would you believe that there is no good fan art of it? The actual screenshots look like a brown smudge. Lady of Pain had to suffice.

 

[quackk]

AAAAAAAAARGH you can't cliff me like that man! I was ready to shit myself and all >_>

 

[DisMel]

By the way i think chop chop is meant to be like the parody of a gold farmer or something. He's basically a guy that actually works on Eternum, since you can easely convert the game currency in actual money.

I don't think he will turn to be more then this unless Cardibis goes for a cheap plot twist. He's a comic relief.

out of curiosity, how would you compare him to Stabby Mike?

 

[Chronos Alpha-Omega]

Does the main character ever become less of a pussy? He's so passive and is the classic "nice guy". It's difficult to deal with. And the amount of dialogue and exposition is getting ridiculous. I'm no brainlet but slogging through the excessive dialogue is painfully boring. Also I've been playing this PORN game for a few hours now and the only thing explicitly sexual was the prostitute when you get to the game in the game and the creepy shower peeping thing. I've been doing all the choices perfectly as well due to the multi mod. I just met the psycho bitch that threatens to kill you. Does it get better or is it like this the whole way?

 

[noobchan51515]

Does the main character ever become less of a pussy? He's so passive and is the classic "nice guy". It's difficult to deal with. And the amount of dialogue and exposition is getting ridiculous. I'm no brainlet but slogging through the excessive dialogue is painfully boring. Also I've been playing this PORN game for a few hours now and the only thing explicitly sexual was the prostitute when you get to the game in the game and the creepy shower peeping thing. I've been doing all the choices perfectly as well due to the multi mod. I just met the psycho bitch that threatens to kill you. Does it get better or is it like this the whole way?

one yes he does he is a fighting bad ass not as much as he friends but yes and two the game is only on .03 give it time and three dont just call this a porn game its a Visual Novel with sex scenes thrown in you should check out the other game that Caribdis did Once in a Lifetime its quite grand

 

[JoeTheMC84]

Does the main character ever become less of a pussy? He's so passive and is the classic "nice guy". It's difficult to deal with. And the amount of dialogue and exposition is getting ridiculous. I'm no brainlet but slogging through the excessive dialogue is painfully boring. Also I've been playing this PORN game for a few hours now and the only thing explicitly sexual was the prostitute when you get to the game in the game and the creepy shower peeping thing. I've been doing all the choices perfectly as well due to the multi mod. I just met the psycho bitch that threatens to kill you. Does it get better or is it like this the whole way?

I would say that based on what you've said, no, from your perspective it won't get "better." If you already find the game "boring" I can tell you that you will probably just get more and more bored by it. This is a game that is heavy on story and character development, as well as humor and intrigue, with sex scenes in it from time to time. It's a true example of an Adult Visual Novel, as opposed to a fap a minute porn game that are a dime a dozen on the site.

Also, the MC is a good guy, not a nice guy. Nice guys are pathetic weak neckbeards who are, often, secretly assholes acting nice to get something. White Knights and the like. Good guys are actually functional adult human beings who just aren't assholes because they don't want to be and treat people with respect and are good humored and well adjusted. If you see the MC as a "pussy" or "nice guy" it makes me wonder if you even read any of the story at all... and if you are calling Nova a "psycho bitch," then yeah, this game probably isn't for you...

 

[Dorfnutter]

Does the main character ever become less of a pussy? He's so passive and is the classic "nice guy". It's difficult to deal with.

/one of the recommended options in the game leads to MC sucker-punching a white-haired dude trying to hit on and sexually harass his childhood friend. Later on in the game he gets the recommended option to do it again, resulting in him brawling with said white-haired dude.

/MC gets called "passive" and a "pussy"

And the amount of dialogue and exposition is getting ridiculous. I'm no brainlet but slogging through the excessive dialogue is painfully boring. Also I've been playing this PORN game for a few hours now and the only thing explicitly sexual was the prostitute when you get to the game in the game and the creepy shower peeping thing. I've been doing all the choices perfectly as well due to the multi mod. I just met the psycho bitch that threatens to kill you. Does it get better or is it like this the whole way?

This game is story first, porn second (with about 1-2 scenes minimum per update), so if your definition of "getting better" means that it's going to switch gears and have more porn than plot later on then no, it's not going to "get better."

 

[Son of Durin]

/one of the recommended options in the game leads to MC sucker-punching a white-haired dude trying to hit on and sexually harass his childhood friend. Later on in the game he gets the recommended option to do it again, resulting in him brawling with said white-haired dude.

/MC gets called "passive" and a "pussy"

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This game is story first, porn second (with about 1-2 scenes minimum per update), so if your definition of "getting better" means that it's going to switch gears and have more porn than plot later on then no, it's not going to "get better."

The type making that kind of statement is the incel that can't even get a woman to look at him, so he imagines himself taking every woman in every game by force so he can pretend to be a man. Pathetic.

 

[DisMel]

Does the main character ever become less of a pussy? He's so passive and is the classic "nice guy". It's difficult to deal with. And the amount of dialogue and exposition is getting ridiculous. I'm no brainlet but slogging through the excessive dialogue is painfully boring. Also I've been playing this PORN game for a few hours now and the only thing explicitly sexual was the prostitute when you get to the game in the game and the creepy shower peeping thing. I've been doing all the choices perfectly as well due to the multi mod. I just met the psycho bitch that threatens to kill you. Does it get better or is it like this the whole way?

what are you on about? he consistently shit talks and have gotten into fights with the stereotypical privileged, asshole rich kid. not going into spoilers, but when the people he cares for get in trouble he steps up and does what he can, which results in him pulling off badass shit usually. hes a nice guy sure, but hes definitely not passive and most certainly not a pussy lol

if this amount of dialogue and exposition is excessive to you, then that is really concerning. if you want a mindless sex game that doesnt give a shit about story elements, then this isnt for you dude

 

[Chronos Alpha-Omega]

I would say that based on what you've said, no, from your perspective it won't get "better." If you already find the game "boring" I can tell you that you will probably just get more and more bored by it. This is a game that is heavy on story and character development, as well as humor and intrigue, with sex scenes in it from time to time. It's a true example of an Adult Visual Novel, as opposed to a fap a minute porn game that are a dime a dozen on the site.

Also, the MC is a good guy, not a nice guy. Nice guys are pathetic weak neckbeards who are, often, secretly assholes acting nice to get something. White Knights and the like. Good guys are actually functional adult human beings who just aren't assholes because they don't want to be and treat people with respect and are good humored and well adjusted. If you see the MC as a "pussy" or "nice guy" it makes me wonder if you even read any of the story at all... and if you are calling Nova a "psycho bitch," then yeah, this game probably isn't for you...

The main character acts similarly to the blue main character guy from Taffy Tale, idk if you've every played that but he's basically very stuttery especially when it comes to nearly all his interactions with girls. It's just cringy. He's usually very passive in his relationships with the women and it's usually that they're coming onto him because they all suddenly want to get with him for him being a "good guy". Just being an actual nice/good guy isn't enough irl. It's literally the bare minimum and it doesn't make a person even slightly interesting. That's how I see this main character as far as I've seen. But this is just imo. I'm sure people are enjoying the game. The scenes are animated well and the characters 3d renders are of a very high quality. I've played through to the when greek era server part. I'm not sure how far that is through the game. It is slightly better since there's less exposition and the mc gets less passive as the srory progresses. Id still say it has a slow burn tho. I feels to me like it's trying to do a lot of things at once and missing out in quality due to that. Like the "horror" sequence for example. I guess it gives the dev a lot of freedom with what they can make the game about tho so I seem the benefit from their pov.

And on the writing standpoint. Most of it falls flat to me; the jokes are very hit or miss and the story relies on a lot of unveiled exposition and has a substantial amount of unnecessary text that doesn't add to anything to the story. It could do with some trimming and editing to tighten it up imo. Oh and I have warmed up to Nova after the bad intro of her threatening to kill you. If that means anything.

 

[Chronos Alpha-Omega]

The type making that kind of statement is the incel that can't even get a woman to look at him, so he imagines himself taking every woman in every game by force so he can pretend to be a man. Pathetic.

wtf I never even suggested anything like that

 

[Idontplay]

Does the main character ever become less of a pussy? He's so passive and is the classic "nice guy". It's difficult to deal with. And the amount of dialogue and exposition is getting ridiculous. I'm no brainlet but slogging through the excessive dialogue is painfully boring. Also I've been playing this PORN game for a few hours now and the only thing explicitly sexual was the prostitute when you get to the game in the game and the creepy shower peeping thing. I've been doing all the choices perfectly as well due to the multi mod. I just met the psycho bitch that threatens to kill you. Does it get better or is it like this the whole way?

If the "psycho-bitch" is Nova (the red haired girl with a patch on her left eye) I think to understand: you are in a very early stage of the game.
Yes, there will be more sex scenes: the one with the prostitute you have mentioned, but also the ones with Amie, with Nova, with Amie's mother and some lewd scenes as well (actually I think at least one of them should happen before the "psycho-bitch scene") and the main character (Orion) will be able to act in a more badass way. But unfortunately the "real life" dialogues aren't the Caribdis' strengt: he is very good to integrate the horror/supernatural elements in his games, but (at least in my humble opinion) he isn't as much good to manage the "slice of life" parts. He has improved a lot from his first game (Once in a life time), but from my point of view this is still his weak point.
Anyway I would suggest you to play until the end of the 0.3 update and then decide if continue or not, but remember this: this is a story driven game "spiced" with some porn elements, not a porn driven game tied up with some kind of story.

 

[Dunner]

wtf I never even suggested anything like that

Well, people that experienced the whole story (aka version) will misunderstand what you mean if you don't put it well enough or don't make it clear that you didn't yet finish the build (a very important detail).

EX: When you say "Does the main character ever become less of a pussy?" and people that already finished the current build and know that said character goes and fights the NR.1 player in a game where you die and you go back to lvl 1, stands up to the degenerate wannabe Bezos that can snap his fingers and boom you're whole family is out of a job and the spawn of said degenerate that's making your everyday life hard for you because "FU lick my boots" will now believe that you finished the build, saw all of this and you're still not pleased. Thus you'll create a big "WTF is this guy talking about" moment weather you intended to offend or asked a genuine question.

Here's my reply to your original comment in a TL;DR style:
You can view the game as a combination of manga/anime genres with the main ones being comedic, horror/mystery and romance with some "gory" (depending on how you define gore) action in between.
It won't have realistic relationships (it's a harem game) or hard hitting lessons about the human condition. At times it does go into realistic scenarios, like domestic abuse, that are built with a serious tone but most of the game is comedic and it goes into said serious mode when the story requires it.
You do still need to build a relationship with the girls to bone them so by the end there will be plenty of sex but sex isn't the main focus of the game, the story is. So if the story doesn't appeal to you then that'll only continue to annoy you unless it starts appealing to your taste a bit further down the line.

Let me say this: you're entitled to your opinion and your experience is what matters at the end of the day but that applies to us as well thus there will be conflicting ideas on what the story does and doesn't do well.
With all of that said let's not forget that we're all people on the internet at the end of the day. Let's try to come to an understanding or agree to disagree since IRL is shitty enough as it is.

 

[Idontplay]

Actually he has written: "I just met the psycho bitch that threatens to kill you", so it was pretty clear (at least for me) he hasn't still finished the game.
The only thing I am not sure to understand is if he doesn't like the dialogues, because he thinks they aren't good or because he is searching for a game with a lot of sex scenes and very few dialogues.