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Zegion101

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For the patrons, does Cari make a feedback post or something for the updates? Seeing so many with divided opinions but wonder if he even hears them
 

maria.wachtel

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I originally posted this in the Eternum subreddit, but they have a dumb rule where you're not allowed to talk about spoilers, even if it's spoiler tagged and hidden, so I'll post it here.

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It is Harem-Logic, so I think we just need to accept as it is. Once you try to question it - as you eloquently do - you just see the holes and how it simply would never work. I guess suspense of disbelieving is the only way to enjoy the story.

He is writing himself in way too many corners that are just not possible to resolve otherwise, so I just go along with it.
 
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GamingSavant

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Well I've been beginning to think that the "Gems of Doom" are more than just the namesake. Idriel has hinted at her collective had been watching Orion with interest because of his peculiar powers and ability to do things that go against what they expected. My guess is they are focused on nihilism and predict the end of the "world", or maybe all worlds when all 10 gems of doom are collected, and believe this is a fated event. However, they noticed that Orion is capable of making choices and actions going outside their predicted results (the coin which is constantly brought up), and Idriel commenting that no matter how many times Orion has reached death's door he has defied fate's intention each time.
 

Geralt From Rivia

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Whether the behaviour is arrogance or carelessness, internal consistency is not Caribdis's strength as a writer. He's an excellent writers of "situations" and leans into that, which is why Eternum feels like a sitcom. This leads to a lot of inconsistencies in the narrative so he can get the most bang out of the scenarios he dreams up.

As such, I wouldn't put too much stock into Orion's motivations for behaving so riskily. Caribdis serves the scenario, not the plausibility.

Obviously, I would like him to have both, but honestly, Eternum is best played without thinking too much. It's wonderful in so many ways, but there is no doubt that it is best to play with the brain switched firmly off.
As a writer I rate Ciribdis very highly, compared to most mediocre AVNs, I would award him second place among all.
 
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Krytax123

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Well said.

However, unfortunately, we're dealing with AVN writers catering to (certainly here) anime pop-culture fanboys who honestly, don't have a clue. Just have to accept it and move on. I've only ever seen one VN do a D/s type relationship half-realistically....it's nearly all alpha male fantasy fullfillment catering to specific demographic.
Lmao, yeah of course its waaaay more realistic for two inexperienced people like orion and penny to immediately start out in a full blown d/s dynamic instead of some casual fun domination games

And every girl who says break me during sex wants to be a 24/7 slave, sure sure

yeez talk about being entitled or carrying a strange sense of elitism around
 

pitao

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Obviously, I would like him to have both, but honestly, Eternum is best played without thinking too much. It's wonderful in so many ways, but there is no doubt that it is best to play with the brain switched firmly off.
I agree, but why would I want to think too much on a game/story with a sci-fi/fantasy setting? This is a common mistake people that try to enjoy those genres faces, those genres are best enjoyed with "suspension of disbelief" or else we will always overthink about the motivations and events. What those genres usually bring to the table are unprobable and impossible scenarios that the only thinking we should do is about the repercussions if those scenarios really existed.
We just have to enjoy the ride, people take sci-fi and fantasy and almost any fiction genre too seriously imho :LOL:. With that said I really love sci-fi and fantasy stories (if mixed with good humor like Eternum even better) as you probably can guess from my favorite AVNs list, and this is one of the best for sure.
 

Dorfnutter

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For the patrons, does Cari make a feedback post or something for the updates? Seeing so many with divided opinions but wonder if he even hears them
He usually interacts with most Patrons in a dedicated spoiler channel on his Discord whenever there's a new update (it unlocks for a specific sub tier once the update is unlocked for them). Highly doubt he takes feedback from this site tho, given his personal opinions about it. /shrugs
 

Zegion101

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He usually interacts with most Patrons in a dedicated spoiler channel on his Discord whenever there's a new update (it unlocks for a specific sub tier once the update is unlocked for them). Highly doubt he takes feedback from this site tho, given his personal opinions about it. /shrugs
Welp that's better than nothing
 

bitofaperv

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As a writer I rate Ciribdis very highly, compared to most mediocre AVNs, I would award him second place among all.
It's going to rely on a person's taste.

I agree Caribdis writes near perfectly when it comes to technical elements like grammar, and word choice (astonishing for a non-native speaker), but overall, his writing is great because it is week-day sitcom level-of-professionalism in a sea of dog shit that would struggle to outgrade my middle school creative writing assignments.

That sounds like I'm knocking him, but I am not. Eternum is better than at least 7/10 of each new season of anime, it's better written than at least half of the American TV industry's output in the last five years.

However, there is no denying that he skips over important events (
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), and has trouble with what events he chooses to dramatise. Constantly on the lookout for a laugh, he often misses the low hanging fruit to have the reader feel more strongly about his characters.

I am making a few assumptions there. He might just disagree with me on what the most important element there is to focus on, and that's fine. I'd rather have the funny, and the drama, but it is what it is.

However, the point of the post you're quoting was to point out that Caribdis introduces easily a dozen plot holes in each update. He's obviously made the decision that "this is too cool to worry about it making this other thing incorrect," but internal consistency (or lack thereof) is a metric you can judge a writer on. I just pointed out how I turn off my critical brain reading Eternum because it makes the experience of reading it much-much more fun.

EDIT: And honestly, sometimes its sheer stupidity is what makes it so fucking hilarious; so I don't think I'd want it any different.
 
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pitao

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It's going to rely on a person's taste.

I agree Caribdis writes near perfectly when it comes to technical elements like grammar, and word choice (astonishing for a non-native speaker), but overall, his writing is great because it is week-day sitcom level-of-professionalism in a sea of dog shit that would struggle to outgrade my middle school creative writing assignments.

That sounds like I'm knocking him, but I am not. Eternum is better than at least 7/10 of each new season of anime, it's better written than at least half of the American TV industry's output in the last five years.

However, there is no denying that he skips over important events (
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), and has trouble with what events he chooses to dramatise. Constantly on the lookout for a laugh, he often misses the low hanging fruit to have the reader feel more strongly about his characters.

I am making a few assumptions there. He might just disagree with me on what the most important element there is to focus on, and that's fine. I'd rather have the funny, and the drama, but it is what it is.

However, the point of the post you're quoting was to point out that Caribdis introduces easily a dozen plot holes in each update. He's obviously made the decision that "this is too cool to worry about it making this other thing incorrect," but internal consistency (or lack thereof) is a metric you can judge a writer on. I just pointed out how I turn off my critical brain reading Eternum because it makes the experience of reading it much-much more fun.
Hehehe I agree with all that, but just the humor specially in Nova exaggerated dramatic reactions is so good that I end up really not care about the rest of the "team" reactions.

Anyway I really prefer Caribdis (aware or not aware) decision of keeping the tone very light and funny. Don't think drama suits much Caribdis writing personality and Eternum story and for my taste I have to be honest that I prefer it like this, not much fond of overly dramatic scenes in sci-fi/fantasy, can have some more serious scenes but comedy is still better imo.

About the plot holes and inconsistencies, well they always appear in sci-fi, it is inevitable in most stories of that genre and probably focus on them would detract what the author wants to tell to the viewers (maybe they want to tell, always look forward, don't look too far back :p :LOL: just kidding).

Imagine if I looked at The matrix trilogy focusing on the consistency of the whole story, still I love what the Wachowski sisters done with it, mostly shutting my brain in some parts but still enjoyed it a lot.
 
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honestly out of all girls following dalia's route seemed most jarring as its least immersive for me. I mean if you dont want to make a "spicy bet" then you lose her path. (meaning there is no romantic approach, you either keep her path by scummy loophole in bets and fucking her throat or you dont keep her at all) You wanna be good friend to Chang, you lose her path. (i mean granted, it was obvious that if you give the password to her private server that you'd lose her path, i am more disappointed in chang here than dalia as i did not expect chang to just bring everyone) You decide not to physically assault someone, you lose her path. (seriously, what is wrong with not wanting to be a criminal and still want to get a girl? unless i punch the person in front of everyone and risk going to jail i cant use that criminal act to manipulate Dalia into accepting loss regarding out bet and this is only way to stay on her path?) I feel like its batshit crazy that dalia just forgives orion for "taking a dip" in the cabin without consent considering how many little things just outright remove her from the path. In contrast Nova feels like only way to not be on her path is to outright be asshole. i mean only 2 places where i see you can stop being on her path without just playing as an asshole 100% of time is by not saving her and/or by asking for pizza in 0.7
I think as a character Dalia is S tier but as the character storyline i feel its very weird and poorly executed.
Also don't forget the fact that you have to let her hit you in the bathtub to get a heart point while you're forced to perv. Yes, you can avoid it by walking out but it still left a sour taste in my mouth early on. Felt good to reject her in this update.
 
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