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sageproduct

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I meant more plot-wise, the whole Astaroth plot-line could be relevant to Eternum as a whole.
"Could" being the keyword.
It most certainly is. One of Once in a Lifetime's endings had Astaroth coming to enlist your assistance finding Calypso.

I think it will be high worldbuilding relevance, low dramatic relevance. This is Orion's story. That happens to take place in an enormous and fascinating world.

I haven't seen much discussion on the name of the game itself. What are the leading thoughts about the nature of eternity, immortality, and salvation in Eternum?

Magical world, virtual world - looking at it as either-or is the only thing that is surely wrong.

The possible dimensions and angles of Eternum are far-ranging. An immortal elite dominating world events, a transhuman revolution, a discovery of interdimensional travel, a virtualization of human cognition and imagination...

All of those possible explanations for the wonder of Eternum feel trite on their own anyway.

Look at Once in a Lifetime. Its magic was handled in a mystical and mysterious way. What exactly was the nature of the Grimoire and its power? The various endings hint at different characteristics and dynamics of its relationship with Astaroth, but nothing feels really spelled out. It could be soft magic. It could be hard magic. It could be hard magic that looks like soft magic.

The shadowy figure in Orion's dreams seems to say kings and pawns go into the same box at the end...but that it doesn't have to be that way.

What do you guys think?
 

Dorfnutter

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I haven't seen much discussion on the name of the game itself. What are the leading thoughts about the nature of eternity, immortality, and salvation in Eternum?
I feel like this would best serve as a discussion point probably at the tail-end of the story or once some big reveals are made, particularly when we finally know what Eternum's true nature is, how it REALLY operates, which are the facts and which are essentially Ulysses corpo-bullshittery, those kinds of things.

Because right now all we have are theories and vague hints not just from the Lady in Black, but also the Syndicate, the mysterious masked man in the Ulysses party, and from the dreaded T himself. And I've already said my piece/arguments constantly in this thread that I'm not sure if elaborating upon them again is going to move the discussion.

Magical world, virtual world - looking at it as either-or is the only thing that is surely wrong.

The possible dimensions and angles of Eternum are far-ranging. An immortal elite dominating world events, a transhuman revolution, a discovery of interdimensional travel, a virtualization of human cognition and imagination...

All of those possible explanations for the wonder of Eternum feel trite on their own anyway.
Are you making an argument that all arguments theorizing the nature of Eternum are meaningless due to its transcendental nature, or are you making an argument that you find the theories limited and that people have not explored the possibility that there's more to it than just "magical world" or "virtual world?"

Look at Once in a Lifetime. Its magic was handled in a mystical and mysterious way. What exactly was the nature of the Grimoire and its power? The various endings hint at different characteristics and dynamics of its relationship with Astaroth, but nothing feels really spelled out. It could be soft magic. It could be hard magic. It could be hard magic that looks like soft magic.
I like to think it as a Tsukihime issue: this is Caribdis' first romp in making a VN, so concepts like how magic, creatures, the entire world works is a work-in-progress so to speak. That's not to say that they're not functional nor won't they be expanded upon later, but I just think that he didn't put heavy thought into the intricacies when he was still working on OIAL.

And it kinda shows, really. For instance, we were hammered throughout the VN that the Sons of Astaroth have their claws on many parts of the world, and that Astaroth himself is a pretty dangerous threat to the MC...but honestly, everything feels..."localized," for a lack of better word. Unless one of the Sons is involved or they themselves stumble upon it, MC and co never really felt like they were in any sort of danger from others who could potentially be a pawn of the Sons (hell, there weren't even any pawns shown aside from Rebecca's fiancé and...I suppose to some extent Aiko before her heel-face turn, and that every single member of the Sons feel like they're operating on their own) and that he himself was free to basically pursue his relationships with every member of the harem.

The shadowy figure in Orion's dreams seems to say kings and pawns go into the same box at the end...but that it doesn't have to be that way.
It's death. She's referring to the fact that everyone dies. But when Orion agrees with the assessment, she suddenly makes an about face and says he's wrong, implying that there is a way to circumvent that. I'd like to think that what she's referring to is related to the theory that Ulysses is basically keeping people who have been excommunicated alive and under their heel as NPCs, which is essentially breaking the natural order of things in Eternum and is causing problems that might rear their ugly heads in the future, but I'm open to the idea that she could be referring to something else. /shrugs
 

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Alex's Grandma seems "familiar"

Idk if it's just me but I think Alex Grandma seems to be a familiar to a(sub) character in OiaL,
She seems to have the resemblance of "Clarice" a girl that Stabby Mike met.(OiaL)
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The color of the hair seems to match but the face seems to be older.
But they seem to have a similarity.

We also know that Clarice "gives" Mike a cross that save his life. And Alex was also given a cross by her grandma so does it is suppose to be a hint?

Or the giving of the cross to Alex is just a coincidence. Idk if it has something to do with Clarice's habit of giving crosses, but if Alex could be related to Mike I think I wouldn't guess where her coolness and badass attitude came from.

Also we didn't have a chance to know what's Mike's full name so could be Stabby Mike is a Bardot?
We don't really have background from Alex's Father so there's still mysteries of who he really is.


(So Alex could be Mike's "beloved granddaughter"?)
 

Dorfnutter

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Alex's Grandma seems "familiar"

Idk if it's just me but I think Alex Grandma seems to be a familiar to a(sub) character in OiaL,
She seems to have the resemblance of "Clarice" a girl that Stabby Mike met.(OiaL)
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The color of the hair seems to match but the face seems to be older.
But they seem to have a similarity.

We also know that Clarice "gives" Mike a cross that save his life. And Alex was also given a cross by her grandma so does it is suppose to be a hint?

Or the giving of the cross to Alex is just a coincidence. Idk if it has something to do with Clarice's habit of giving crosses, but if Alex could be related to Mike I think I wouldn't guess where her coolness and badass attitude came from.

Also we didn't have a chance to know what's Mike's full name so could be Stabby Mike is a Bardot?
We don't really have background from Alex's Father so there's still mysteries of who he really is.


(So Alex could be Mike's "beloved granddaughter"?)
It's...it's right there in the pic...his name.

His full name is Michael Stabb.

It's...it's literally right there, man.
 

Asmodeus34

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Ok I think I just need a sleep :ROFLMAO:
But what if Clarice was the grandma but the grandfather is another ma-
Nevermind... Caribdis won't do Mike like that:ROFLMAO:
Mike could still be the grandad if he had a daughter and she married someone with the last name Bardot. :WeSmart:
 
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and here it will be possible what to do with the protorians, otherwise I liked them especially because they killed the guy
Or spinning novels.
 
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Today I learned Machete speaks Russian...

Which got me thinking, I'd love it if Luna spoke Spanish during a scene. Such a sexy language.
Not everybody speaks spanish though and if dialogue is in a different language it would not be appreciated by a large number of people.

Using a different language works for people who do not understand the language only when it is used for comedic purposes. For example Nikolay's scenes are great and adds to the humor of the game. But if it was a serious scene and he started speaking in russian it would suck for non russian players.
 

Elhemeer

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Not everybody speaks spanish though and if dialogue is in a different language it would not be appreciated by a large number of people.

Using a different language works for people who do not understand the language only when it is used for comedic purposes. For example Nikolay's scenes are great and adds to the humor of the game. But if it was a serious scene and he started speaking in russian it would suck for non russian players.
I don't have a problem if another language is used so long as
A) It's translated so we know what's being said, or
B) The MC isn't supposed to understand what's being said (as in your example), and asks or comments so someone can either explain or on-purpose leave him out (which for me is the same as keeping secrets, which happens all the time).

I can't imagine a scene with Luna where any Spanish spoken wouldn't eventually be explained.
 

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I don't have a problem if another language is used so long as
A) It's translated so we know what's being said, or
B) The MC isn't supposed to understand what's being said (as in your example), and asks or comments so someone can either explain or on-purpose leave him out (which for me is the same as keeping secrets, which happens all the time).

I can't imagine a scene with Luna where any Spanish spoken wouldn't eventually be explained.
Yes, I agree. To clarify, I don't mean for her to speak full blown Spanish where the player won't be able to understand. I meant like one or two lines, in bed. Like sexy talk.

I'd probably faint if she called me papi.
 

Elhemeer

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Yes, I agree. To clarify, I don't mean for her to speak full blown Spanish where the player won't be able to understand. I meant like one or two lines, in bed. Like sexy talk.

I'd probably faint if she called me papi.
<3 *grumbles about something he's no-longer willing to talk about after chatting with SoD about certain things ...*
 

Dorfnutter

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Today I learned Machete speaks Russian...

Which got me thinking, I'd love it if Luna spoke Spanish during a scene. Such a sexy language.
/imagines Luna - being this kind, demure young woman who's into creepy horror stuff - suddenly breaking character and screaming rapid fire Spanish with an ahegao face once she starts getting slammed hard by Orion's salami

:WutFace:
 
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