VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.5 Public] [Caribdis]

[Dorfnutter]

I find it hard to believe that breast sucking and kissing is somehow much more complicated to present that blowjobs, doggystyle, 69 and dick riding where breasts, hair, eyes, hips and facial expressions are moving and changing throughout the entire scene.

Believe it. There are a lot of preset animation mods for hardcore sex acts in HS2 but quite a few when it comes to more intimate stuff like breast sucking, which you either have to do manually or get someone to do it for you (i.e. commission for a mod). And even then it can be time-consuming (which is kind of a bad news for devs that have a schedule that they follow) so some just don't bother.

 

[HiP1]

"They don't try" was a reference to what they release to be played. Obviously I wouldn't know what they test out in development.

You're entitled to your opinion and perspective, but I find it hard to believe that breast sucking and kissing is somehow much more complicated to present that blowjobs, doggystyle, 69 and dick riding where breasts, hair, eyes, hips and facial expressions are moving and changing throughout the entire scene.

In the games that I have seen present kissing and breast sucking, they look pretty good and natural to me.

For the record i'm not attacking any developer or demanding anything, I was just agreeing with the posts about this and adding my two cents.

fair enough. we'll have to agree to disagree.

with a bit of experience in the field, I can tell you that Eternum's animator is very skilled, and should be able to pull it off if assisted by AI animation in a few years. but honestly, it requires a ton of work that might be better invested in other aspects of the game if he is working alone on it. having more story scenes for example.

 

[e6mill]

Something bugging me in the plot: it only took the name of the "server" for Nova to find the world and create an access, but they never tried it for Calypso's world, at least they were never shown trying it. No one asked Idriel either. it should at least be a single line of text to show that they did try and close a potential plot hole.

It's mentioned by the voice on the phone (at least) that you need the 10 gems to unlock either Idriel's world or perhaps the temple of Acheron therein (I'm a little unclear which, but 10 gems...) I suspect it's the world that's locked - simply because we haven't seen any other elves.

 

[Toni891]

Also MC is pretty dumb for turning his back from two enemies that haven't lost their will to fight. literally anyone would watch them leave, or keep an eye out while leaving. would have made more sense if he saw the guy pull out the gun and couldn't react to it

Idriel said it: he's become arrogant, too sure of his powers. He doesn't take enemies for full anymore, El coyote is not a threat but a challenge, Thanatos doesn't stand a chance etc. Loss of sense for reality.

For the plot it was teased before: MC's ability to look into eternum. He saw Calypso argue in that saloon or motel or whatever that was. when he was on the road with Luna and her dad. Also the "dream" when he talked to Idriel what he doesn't remember. I think it will turn out that MC is either one of those like the Founder who can travel, maybe they are what we'd call "undead", I'm quite sure the Founder is dead like Thanatos. Or MC will indeed be saved or rather discovered by Calypso to be actually one of the immortals unrecognized by her until now. No mother in his life, the father not caring like he wasn't his kid and most importantly, no visions for Luna! He's not human or not "living" in the way we know it.

 

[AnonW123]

Believe it. There are a lot of preset animation mods for hardcore sex acts in HS2 but quite a few when it comes to more intimate stuff like breast sucking, which you either have to do manually or get someone to do it for you (i.e. commission for a mod). And even then it can be time-consuming (which is kind of a bad news for devs that have a schedule that they follow) so some just don't bother.

Fair enough. I appreciate your point. I'm not a developer so I have no experience with either honey select or daz but I have heard complaints multiple times about the limitations or difficulties with both. It's just something I notice is missing in a lot of avns, not just the honeyselect ones.

Caribdis is one of the best developers I've seen as his honeyselect doesn't even look like honeyselect. it looks like a whole other level based on whatever customization he does.

The last point I'll make is that what is worth the time to do in terms of sex scenes will be a choice that the dev makes based on their own priorities, what they feel their patrons want, their skill level and other factors. I don't think there's any aspect of developing these games that isn't time consuming or challenging. Some more than others.

Believe it. There are a lot of preset animation mods for hardcore sex acts in HS2 but quite a few when it comes to more intimate stuff like breast sucking, which you either have to do manually or get someone to do it for you (i.e. commission for a mod). And even then it can be time-consuming (which is kind of a bad news for devs that have a schedule that they follow) so some just don't bother.

 

[Dorfnutter]

Something bugging me in the plot: it only took the name of the "server" for Nova to find the world and create an access, but they never tried it for Calypso's world, at least they were never shown trying it. No one asked Idriel either. it should at least be a single line of text to show that they did try and close a potential plot hole.

They likely tried it off-screen but Nova likely couldn't find it. Also, they're currently preoccupied with the gem hunt and Orion is seemingly the only person who cares about Caly returning to her world (while others at the time viewed her as an AI NPC, so anything that she says might just be viewed as NPC lore fluff that's less important to the task at hand, which is the gem hunt).

is there a chance that Idriel is Queen Anima? and her ability to travel between worlds is exploited to run the game ?

It's one of the major theories regarding Idriel's identity, yes.

and the cliffhanger for the latest update, I think Calypso will feel MC fading, as she is meditating with full awareness on outside worlds, and she will bring him to her and go to him to cast healing magic. she might be stuck on Earth if she goes there though. not sure if she can pull magic from Earth, but not impossible if the Founder could travel worlds unassisted. if it's just MC being treated in a hospital and getting back on his feet after a week thanks to his powers, I would be very disappointed. though, it could be MC brought to a hospital, all the girls rushing to him, doctors dropping the news that he is dying and it's impossible to revive him, and one girl has the idea to ask Calypso for help if they believe the game is real. at least, that way, the girls will be forced to evaluate their feelings for MC and sharing with each other how they feel about him

Major problem with the hospital theory is that there's a time limit currently set for El Coyote's quest, and Cari mentioned on Discord that the New World adventure will continue in 0.8. So the only plausible scenarios for Orion's recovery are:

-Caly comes to Orion's aid as you said, possibly cutting her off from Eternum but she ends up getting a power-up later on to allow her to jump back

-Orion is pulled to Limbo and stays there for a while (the lore on Limbo heavily implies that time does not flow there, so in theory you can possibly stay there for an indefinite period and return without time lost) until either he comes to terms with his fuck-up or he manages to break himself (or maybe through Caly's help) out of there and return to the living, causing him to use his power and heal himself. (Kinda favoring this one because it allows Orion to self-reflect and possibly return as a better person. Not to mention it lines perfectly with a passage in the Odyssey where the mythological Orion was seen by Odysseus in the underworld hunting beasts)

-Orion goes too-angry-to-die mode and unleashes his powers in the real to heal himself, walking it off but likely has a consequence for doing so which is revealed at a later period.

-Orion subconsciously jumps to Eternum and does the Coyote quest solo while back in the real his body is sent to the hospital and he wakes once his quest for the Heart of the Abyss is done.

Also MC is pretty dumb for turning his back from two enemies that haven't lost their will to fight. literally anyone would watch them leave, or keep an eye out while leaving. would have made more sense if he saw the guy pull out the gun and couldn't react to it

Someone at Discord jokingly said that Orion grew up in the UK so he might've been a bit lax in realizing that people in 'Murica are trigger-happyImean FREEDOM-LOVING folk compared to the knife-happy culture of thugs in the Queen's domains. Story-wise though, it's likely that Orion really is riding a chad high (especially after adding Nova to his list of conquests and seeing his chad self in the mirror) that he forgot that he's in the real world. So, like his mythological namesake, he got fucked by his own hubris.

 

[Dorfnutter]

fair enough. we'll have to agree to disagree.

with a bit of experience in the field, I can tell you that Eternum's animator is very skilled, and should be able to pull it off if assisted by AI animation in a few years. but honestly, it requires a ton of work that might be better invested in other aspects of the game if he is working alone on it. having more story scenes for example.

IIRC Honey Select / Honey Select 2 doesn't have built-in programs that allow AI to help with the animation process so...not sure how that would help.

 

[Toni891]

It's mentioned by the voice on the phone (at least) that you need the 10 gems to unlock either Idriel's world or perhaps the temple of Acheron therein (I'm a little unclear which, but 10 gems...) I suspect it's the world that's locked - simply because we haven't seen any other elves.

Assuming MC is an immortal or traveller Idriel could indeed be Queen Anima, Calypo's tale could be past and future in a wheel of time with MC being that challenger fighting the bad king who's the Founder. Well, adding the queen to the growing harem... ah no... thinking about it it sounds too dull for such a great story (I'll post it anyway, for the giggles... not enough giggles in this game xD)

 

[e6mill]

I like to pretend it'll all make sense without needing to involve time travel. Don't forget that Eternum (as known on Earth) is only 10ish years old...

 

[Karla Jean]

I like to pretend it'll all make sense without needing to involve time travel. Don't forget that Eternum (as known on Earth) is only 10ish years old...

There are multiple instances of Chosen Ones being run at the same time. Orion is the third "Main Character" to die that week.

 

[Toni891]

There are multiple instances of Chosen Ones being run at the same time. Orion is the third "Main Character" to die that week.

huh? who else? you've lost me..

Anyway... you guys really call him Orion?

 

[sexypeanut]

Anyway... you guys really call him Orion?

It's his 'canon' name. If you don't type anything in the name prompt at the start of the game, he remains 'Orion Richards'

 

[Engineer rakhesh]

It's his 'canon' name. If you don't type anything in the name prompt at the start of the game, he remains 'Orion Richards'

I always prefer default names, mainly and specially in NTR games.

 

[Coaxmetal]

It's mentioned by the voice on the phone (at least) that you need the 10 gems to unlock either Idriel's world or perhaps the temple of Acheron therein (I'm a little unclear which, but 10 gems...) I suspect it's the world that's locked - simply because we haven't seen any other elves.

The voice on the phone says “Find Calypso. Use it to open the doors of Acheron”.

 

[ToadMayn]

Anyway... you guys really call him Orion?

I mean, that is his given name for the game and the one that makes the most sense lore wise, so yes, Onion.

 

[sexypeanut]

I mean, that is his given name for the game and the one that makes the most sense lore wise, so yes, Onion.

Lies! it is Oreo!

 

[e6mill]

I give all my AVN MCs the same name.

 

[sexypeanut]

I give all my AVN MCs the same name.
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A great choice, since the majority of AVNs does give its MCs a phallus maximus

 

[HiP1]

It's mentioned by the voice on the phone (at least) that you need the 10 gems to unlock either Idriel's world or perhaps the temple of Acheron therein (I'm a little unclear which, but 10 gems...) I suspect it's the world that's locked - simply because we haven't seen any other elves.

in the public phone call ? it only says that MC needs Calypso to open the doors to Acheron.
and even if it is locked, the idea of Nova at least trying to find it should be raised. also, MC doesn't pay attention to that kind of information and doesn't report it to the girls, so it shouldn't be a factor in not trying to find the world.

 

[HiP1]

They likely tried it off-screen but Nova likely couldn't find it. Also, they're currently preoccupied with the gem hunt and Orion is seemingly the only person who cares about Caly returning to her world (while others at the time viewed her as an AI NPC, so anything that she says might just be viewed as NPC lore fluff that's less important to the task at hand, which is the gem hunt).

that's why I'd have liked a simple text line to dismiss any plot holes and theory. just saying Nova tried it and didn't find anything, or no one cares enough (which would be weird as everyone is friendly to Calypso and would do it anyway or on MC's request). Nova did it in less than a day for Ogygia, so it's not that time consuming. or she could make a script that runs a search continuously.

Someone at Discord jokingly said that Orion grew up in the UK so he might've been a bit lax in realizing that people in 'Murica are trigger-happyImean FREEDOM-LOVING folk compared to the knife-happy culture of thugs in the Queen's domains. Story-wise though, it's likely that Orion really is riding a chad high (especially after adding Nova to his list of conquests and seeing his chad self in the mirror) that he forgot that he's in the real world. So, like his mythological namesake, he got fucked by his own hubris.

yeah that actually could make sense but the guy could still have a knife or taser. just growing complacent doesn't really cut it. he just learnt a lesson in Ekabar with either the werewolf alpha or the vampire lord, even the religious fanatic having an unexpected weapon.

Major problem with the hospital theory is that there's a time limit currently set for El Coyote's quest, and Cari mentioned on Discord that the New World adventure will continue in 0.8. So the only plausible scenarios for Orion's recovery are:

-Caly comes to Orion's aid as you said, possibly cutting her off from Eternum but she ends up getting a power-up later on to allow her to jump back

-Orion is pulled to Limbo and stays there for a while (the lore on Limbo heavily implies that time does not flow there, so in theory you can possibly stay there for an indefinite period and return without time lost) until either he comes to terms with his fuck-up or he manages to break himself (or maybe through Caly's help) out of there and return to the living, causing him to use his power and heal himself. (Kinda favoring this one because it allows Orion to self-reflect and possibly return as a better person. Not to mention it lines perfectly with a passage in the Odyssey where the mythological Orion was seen by Odysseus in the underworld hunting beasts)

-Orion goes too-angry-to-die mode and unleashes his powers in the real to heal himself, walking it off but likely has a consequence for doing so which is revealed at a later period.

-Orion subconsciously jumps to Eternum and does the Coyote quest solo while back in the real his body is sent to the hospital and he wakes once his quest for the Heart of the Abyss is done.

even if their quest in New World continues, does it have to continue immediately ? we don't know the cooldown for the island to respawn, it could be a week or a month. Wenlin said that they had a spike in map sales this month, so it could be a year. MC's recovery could take a year and New World's quest could happen at the end of 0.8 after recovery and other adventures. Though, that would be anticlimactic for sure.

the Limbo theory is interesting. though Idriel said you can't go out of Limbo once you're in. but if time doesn't exist in Limbo, MC could return in the past too, in theory. though that will erase some progress in his relationships and fans usually don't like that

the girls all learning about MC on the verge of death is something I would appreciate. some of the relationships really need some shock to progress.

IIRC Honey Select / Honey Select 2 doesn't have built-in programs that allow AI to help with the animation process so...not sure how that would help.

they can change software for the animation if it provides enough benefits. AI assisted animation would be a good reason, imo, when it reaches a good state. i did say "in a few years". it won't happen overnight. and HS2 could add that feature down the line too. and should if they want to stay relevant, in time.

Assuming MC is an immortal or traveller Idriel could indeed be Queen Anima, Calypo's tale could be past and future in a wheel of time with MC being that challenger fighting the bad king who's the Founder. Well, adding the queen to the growing harem... ah no... thinking about it it sounds too dull for such a great story (I'll post it anyway, for the giggles... not enough giggles in this game xD)

Anima's reign lasted a millenia, but there is no word of her death. same for the hero in the story. there is no need for time travel. if Idriel is Anima, she could have been captured by the Immortals and sent to Limbo to keep her alive forever, and exploit her powers for Eternum. MC could be the hero and forgot all about his past, or some kind of descendant. but then, it would make MC and Calypso related, so incest rules could prevent it.