VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.5 Public] [Caribdis]

[Yvier the Duck]

Replaying the high society party... is the Founder, Idriel?

Okay, yeah, It's pretty absurd, but.
Idriel tells you that she will see you at the party. At first I though that was a discarded idea from Caribdis. Okay, ignore Idriel, use the Founder and it's better, more misterious. But in the party one NPC repeat that the Founder AND Idriel will be late. After that you learn that nobody are ever saw the Founder, but Idriel? Why she doesn't appear neither?
Okay, it can be that the Founder and Idriel always tell "we are gonna appear" and then nothing, but she tells you, personally that she will see you at the party. But you never saw Idriel, only the Founder.
Is Idriel the Founder? We saw in the same chapter, in the same party Calypso creating a mask and changing her hair, why Idriel can't do the same, and even change her aspect to an old, creepy man?

Is a crazy theory? Of course she can be the misterious man that tell you to see him at 12 and you never saw again, but I'm pretty sure that he is Thanatos, so what do you think?

 

[Elhemeer]

Not much, considering I'm not as deep into the lore as Dorfnutter. I was just trying to say if the replaying for the retcons/continuity fixes are/become a chore, WinMerge (or other similar tools) could be used as a tool to quickly identify if anything actually *has* changed in the previous chapters.

All things considered, you actually answered my question. Sounds cool.

 

[Elhemeer]

Replaying the high society party... is the Founder, Idriel?

Okay, yeah, It's pretty absurd, but.
Idriel tells you that she will see you at the party. At first I though that was a discarded idea from Caribdis. Okay, ignore Idriel, use the Founder and it's better, more misterious. But in the party one NPC repeat that the Founder AND Idriel will be late. After that you learn that nobody are ever saw the Founder, but Idriel? Why she doesn't appear neither?
Okay, it can be that the Founder and Idriel always tell "we are gonna appear" and then nothing, but she tells you, personally that she will see you at the party. But you never saw Idriel, only the Founder.
Is Idriel the Founder? We saw in the same chapter, in the same party Calypso creating a mask and changing her hair, why Idriel can't do the same, and even change her aspect to an old, creepy man?

Is a crazy theory? Of course she can be the misterious man that tell you to see him at 12 and you never saw again, but I'm pretty sure that he is Thanatos, so what do you think?

Honestly, I just thought Idriel was supposed to be at the end-party gathering that MC skipped out on after the Founder encounter, but that's an interesting thought. I actually got the impression from various alt paths that she might actually be the driving force behind the impending NPC rebellion that wants his help and haunts his dreams.

 

[Dorfnutter]

But in the party one NPC repeat that the Founder AND Idriel will be late. After that you learn that nobody are ever saw the Founder, but Idriel? Why she doesn't appear neither?

Could be that the NPCs are more aware of the Founder's and Idriel's comings and goings more so than the Board themselves (who are resigned into thinking that the Founder NEVER attends such functions). I mean, we DID manage to meet the Founder after all, despite what the Board told Orion.

As for Idriel...I dunno. Could be that she was in the party, but she's wearing a different skin as you said.

Spoiler: Just...not as the Founder, I think...

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Then again, it could be like what Elhemeer said and that Idriel was "at the end-party gathering that MC skipped out on." Either way, we'll probably never know I suppose.

Besides, I dunno if I can subscribe to the idea that Idriel and the Founder are the same person, given that the Founder meeting seems to heavily imply that they are not working close with one another (i.e. Idriel knows that Orion received Garrington's gem but the Founder only deduced that he got it from Garrington, meaning that the former may have not divulged the info to the the latter ASAP) and may even have differing goals (i.e. the Founder wanting to find the gems ASAP while Idriel has been showing up as of late, with the latest encounter telling Orion to "break the chains," whatever that really means outside of current theories).

 

[ArDZer]

Honestly, I just thought Idriel was supposed to be at the end-party gathering that MC skipped out on after the Founder encounter, but that's an interesting thought. I actually got the impression from various alt paths that she might actually be the driving force behind the impending NPC rebellion that wants his help and haunts his dreams.

If that's the case,

Spoiler: Some possibilities about Idriel

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Spoiler: What is the veiled lady up to in this one

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Spoiler: Wyatt wanted to skewer the poor lad on this one after he cut off his hand

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Spoiler: He'll have to be dealt with

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[Elhemeer]

As for Idriel...I dunno. Could be that she was in the party, but she's wearing a different skin as you said.

Spoiler: Just...not as the Founder, I think...

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Ooh ... forgot about that encounter. That's definitely more likely (in my mind) than they're the same being (I won't say person, 'cause I don't think either is one).

 

[Elhemeer]

Spoiler: He'll have to be dealt with

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As you hint at, I believe he's THE wildcard. Probably the Founder is attempting to manipulate him somehow, but I think he'll eventually be key to MC's final success, whether willingly or just by not being on anyone's side.

 

[Dorfnutter]

As you hint at, I believe he's THE wildcard. Probably the Founder is attempting to manipulate him somehow, but I think he'll eventually be key to MC's final success, whether willingly or just by not being on anyone's side.

Still think he's going to be the final boss in the end. I feel like fighting the Founder is just going to be OIAL MC vs Astaroth all over again, while fighting Idriel would seem...off unless you're going for the evil ending.

Thanatos though...yeah I feel like it fits given how much of a buildup it has been since 0.1 and would be a good gauge for how much Orion has come as a character and as a player. But again, that's just my opinion (lol).

Spoiler: Not to mention my brain is still holding on to the dumb hope that we get something like this in the final fight (LOL)...

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[johnyakuza1]

Why does Nova think she's a virgin? She inserted an entire dildo inside her, she doesn't have a hymen at that point so it doesn't make any difference if it's a rubber dick or the real one

"I'm not losing my virginity in a library"- I could understand not doing it in the library but you're not one at all... feels like a plot point to keep the virgin tag on the game

 

[Dragon59]

Or likes wigs instead of having to constantly work on her hair, since some models are into that (lol).



Quoting from a past convo with Dylan741...

Thanks for that!!!

 

[Dragon59]

I looked at a few different versions of the graphic, and I picked that one for one reason only: It had the thickest characters. Most of the others had thin lettering, and that wouldn't have worked with my concept.

The thickest characters for the thiccest characters?

 

[Deleted member 5730975]

Or likes wigs instead of having to constantly work on her hair, since some models are into that (lol).



Quoting from a past convo with Dylan741...

You may be reading a bit too deeply into this. Based on messages by caribdis on his discord there were originally supposed to be 8 LIs - I guess Calypso got demoted because she exists only in eternum so it is difficult for her to get the same attention as the other 7 and additionally 8 may have been a lot of work. I dont know the exact reason. If you go to his discord and search for posts made by him that include the number '8' you will see messages from him in 2021 where he says 8 LIs were originally planned.

 

[Elhemeer]

Why does Nova think she's a virgin? She inserted an entire dildo inside her, she doesn't have a hymen at that point so it doesn't make any difference if it's a rubber dick or the real one

"I'm not losing my virginity in a library"- I could understand not doing it in the library but you're not one at all... feels like a plot point to keep the virgin tag on the game

Or it could just be that, in her mind, like many others, virginity is not a physical state of being, but a state of mind. Since no dick attached to a living being has ever penetrated her, as far as she's concerned she hasn't lost her virginity. Just like no guy who ever stuck his dick in a pie or a sex doll would consider themselves to have lost their v-card.

 

[Deleted member 5730975]

Or it could just be that, in her mind, like many others, virginity is not a physical state of being, but a state of mind. Since no dick attached to a living being has ever penetrated her, as far as she's concerned she hasn't lost her virginity. Just like no guy who ever stuck his dick in a pie or a sex doll would consider themselves to have lost their v-card.

I dont know why you are bothering to reply to that guy. It is pointless arguing with these people.

 

[Elhemeer]

I dont know why you are bothering to reply to that guy. It is pointless arguing with these people.

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That said, you're absolutely correct. Updated the list.

 

[Takkatakka]

Or it could just be that, in her mind, like many others, virginity is not a physical state of being, but a state of mind. Since no dick attached to a living being has ever penetrated her, as far as she's concerned she hasn't lost her virginity. Just like no guy who ever stuck his dick in a pie or a sex doll would consider themselves to have lost their v-card.

I just hope Caribdis won't have the MC draw blood on her in a future scene, because that would be fucking impossible.

Also the implication is of course that clumsy Nova tore her hymen herself at some point...

 

[Dragon59]

I dont know why you are bothering to reply to that guy. It is pointless arguing with these people.

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Yeah, I've gotten quite a few facepalms talking reality with the "virgin obsessed."

I just hope Caribdis won't have the MC draw blood on her in a future scene, because that would be fucking impossible.

Also the implication is of course that clumsy Nova tore her hymen herself at some point...

Considering most adult women, by the time they reach adulthood, no longer have an intact hymen, largely due to the hormones for puberty cause it to thin and pull back naturally, Just using a tampon during puberty could accelerate that process. It's one of the reasons unmarried woman using tampons was once frowned upon.

I wouldn't expect any of the adult characters to have bleeding, except under uncommon circumstances (like someone who has never used a tampon, never exercised, never masturbated, and never had a pelvic exam).

 

[Elhemeer]

I just hope Caribdis won't have the MC draw blood on her in a future scene, because that would be fucking impossible.

Also the implication is of course that clumsy Nova tore her hymen herself at some point...

First, its not that rare for a hymen to break from physical activity, so the way she moves it's possible she never had to deal with that.
. First-A: What Dragon59 said

Second, if it WAS going to happen, it would have already.

Third, your avatar is more likely to go down that road than any of the others except maybe Annie.

Fourth, would Caribdis even do that? I don't remember if Oialt had that or not, but I don't think so.

 

[Takkatakka]

Fourth, would Caribdis even do that? I don't remember if Oialt had that or not, but I don't think so.

I kinda hope he doesn't, but yeah...maybe with Annie considering how he builds that up with her...we will see.

 

[Ellyx]

First, its not that rare for a hymen to break from physical activity, so the way she moves it's possible she never had to deal with that.
. First-A: What Dragon59 said

Second, if it WAS going to happen, it would have already.

Third, your avatar is more likely to go down that road than any of the others except maybe Annie.

Fourth, would Caribdis even do that? I don't remember if Oialt had that or not, but I don't think so.

As I replayed OIALT recently, I can confirm you that there was no blood