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And that's another thing I like about Orion! He's not a perfect, flawless, invincible hero either. He's human, and he has lessons to learn, and mistakes to improve from. He has depth, and he has things keeping him in place. Caribdis made the right choice having that happen to Orion. It gave him a lesson more AVN protagonists ought to learn. Once again, Orion Richards and Kei Hahn are some of the only AVN protagonists I genuinely admire, because they're written to be actually good dudes. Y'know?
I would also like 100% compatibility with a technology that remodels my body while I sleep, so that I look like Arnold Schwarzenegger without any work and keep it that way for the rest of my life.
I would also like to be 100% compatible with a technology that gives me superiority in an online world that the girls have had to spend hours playing and learning.
And I would also like all these girls whose skills I use to get fucked by me.
Fortunately, at least I have the protagonist's exaggeratedly large cock, otherwise I'd be crying myself to sleep over all of Orion's abilities falling into his lap.
The game is a parody of reality and Orion is not a really well-written main character.
 

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I would also like 100% compatibility with a technology that remodels my body while I sleep, so that I look like Arnold Schwarzenegger without any work and keep it that way for the rest of my life.
I would also like to be 100% compatible with a technology that gives me superiority in an online world that the girls have had to spend hours playing and learning.
And I would also like all these girls whose skills I use to get fucked by me.
Fortunately, at least I have the protagonist's exaggeratedly large cock, otherwise I'd be crying myself to sleep over all of Orion's abilities falling into his lap.
The game is a parody of reality and Orion is not a really well-written main character.
Keep playing. It's not what it seems. The large cock is a porn game thing. It's not an "online technology" at all.
 

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I would also like 100% compatibility with a technology that remodels my body while I sleep, so that I look like Arnold Schwarzenegger without any work and keep it that way for the rest of my life.
I would also like to be 100% compatible with a technology that gives me superiority in an online world that the girls have had to spend hours playing and learning.
And I would also like all these girls whose skills I use to get fucked by me.
Fortunately, at least I have the protagonist's exaggeratedly large cock, otherwise I'd be crying myself to sleep over all of Orion's abilities falling into his lap.
The game is a parody of reality and Orion is not a really well-written main character.
-100% compatibility means jack shit against Thanatos. Nor did it save him from being shot. Had it not been for Calypso's healing he would have joined the restless dead of Eternum by now.

-100% compatibility also doesn't give him superiority against the girls. He has no AOE option like Annie (which puts him at a disadvantage against overwhelming odds), nor is he able to shapeshift like Alex. He was pretty much useless against the Mermaids in the New World, and he never really cracked the case back in the Collector whodunit (Annie did). He could end up being stronger after the training arc in Hyril'ar if the latest sneaks are any indication, but as it stands all he has going for is super speed, super strength, and being able to pop in and out of Eternum without the implant.

-You make it sound like the girls wanted to jump Orion's dong the minute they saw the guy. They didn't...or at least, not all of them did (and even then there are reasons why they would, such as Nan being thirsty as fuck for not having sex for so long).

-No, Orion is not the best written main character out there, but he's not a full-on Gary Stu (which you seem to be implying). He has flaws, he has a character arc that's currently in-progress, and he doesn't curbstomp every fight despite his powers (see: every fight he had against Thanatos, his first spar with Dalia where he used his powers).
 

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-100% compatibility means jack shit against Thanatos. Nor did it save him from being shot. Had it not been for Calypso's healing he would have joined the restless dead of Eternum by now.

-100% compatibility also doesn't give him superiority against the girls. He has no AOE option like Annie (which puts him at a disadvantage against overwhelming odds), nor is he able to shapeshift like Alex. He was pretty much useless against the Mermaids in the New World, and he never really cracked the case back in the Collector whodunit (Annie did). He could end up being stronger after the training arc in Hyril'ar if the latest sneaks are any indication, but as it stands all he has going for is super speed, super strength, and being able to pop in and out of Eternum without the implant.

-You make it sound like the girls wanted to jump Orion's dong the minute they saw the guy. They didn't...or at least, not all of them did (and even then there are reasons why they would, such as Nan being thirsty as fuck for not having sex for so long).

-No, Orion is not the best written main character out there, but he's not a full-on Gary Stu (which you seem to be implying). He has flaws, he has a character arc that's currently in-progress, and he doesn't curbstomp every fight despite his powers (see: every fight he had against Thanatos, his first spar with Dalia where he used his powers).
This game is one of my favorites, but it's still just a parody of reality and its heroes stereotypes.
From the vehemence of your response, I gather that you've somehow lost your inner distance.
I stand by my ironic assessment of Orion, a guy who is 99m ahead in 100m races.
 

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This game is one of my favorites, but it's still just a parody of reality and its heroes stereotypes.
From the vehemence of your response, I gather that you've somehow lost your inner distance.
I stand by my ironic assessment of Orion, a guy who is 99m ahead in 100m races.
Oh sure, resort to veiled namecalling instead of refuting the argument that Orion isn't the complete peak chad that you're claiming him to be. Cool, cool. :rolleyes:
 
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I wouldn't call Orion a genuinely good guy tho. Man is an absolute horndog and has some streaks of arrogance that blew in his face at the end of 0.7. Only after that did he got humbled, though IMO that arrogance hasn't fully faded away and it will prolly take some time before he grows out of it.

Also Sicae Kei > MBML Kei. Can't stand the latter, tbh. Then again I always consider Sicae to be superior to MBML in almost every aspect save for the LI department.
Well, we all have our own opinions I guess. Let's agree to disagree, to keep the peace! :D

I do want to ask though: Why do you prefer Sicae over MBiML? I think MBiML is the much better game. It's longer, it's got a more interesting plot, and the main character isn't a fucking psychopath. Aside from the fact that he's more interesting and also has green hair, I also like Kei Hahn more because he actually tries to find the level-headed way out of situations, and doens't like resorting to violence. Meanwhile there are multiple scenes in Sicae of Kei Dietrich torturing men and taking human life like it's nothing. It's fucked up.
 

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-100% compatibility means jack shit against Thanatos. Nor did it save him from being shot. Had it not been for Calypso's healing he would have joined the restless dead of Eternum by now.

-100% compatibility also doesn't give him superiority against the girls. He has no AOE option like Annie (which puts him at a disadvantage against overwhelming odds), nor is he able to shapeshift like Alex. He was pretty much useless against the Mermaids in the New World, and he never really cracked the case back in the Collector whodunit (Annie did). He could end up being stronger after the training arc in Hyril'ar if the latest sneaks are any indication, but as it stands all he has going for is super speed, super strength, and being able to pop in and out of Eternum without the implant.

-You make it sound like the girls wanted to jump Orion's dong the minute they saw the guy. They didn't...or at least, not all of them did (and even then there are reasons why they would, such as Nan being thirsty as fuck for not having sex for so long).

-No, Orion is not the best written main character out there, but he's not a full-on Gary Stu (which you seem to be implying). He has flaws, he has a character arc that's currently in-progress, and he doesn't curbstomp every fight despite his powers (see: every fight he had against Thanatos, his first spar with Dalia where he used his powers).
Out of curiosity, which AVN protagonist would you say is better than Orion? 'Cause, I genuinely can't think of one. Maybe Kei Hahn from MBiML, but that's it.

Also, I agree with everything else you said. :)
 

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I was actually very glad he got that wake-up call (getting shot), and realized he was becoming a major asshole. I was starting to really dislike him, and that showed he was going through a character arc instead of being poorly written. It made me appreciate Caribdis' writing, and like Orion way more than if he had just been a flat character.
This is my favorite reply in on this page. The thing about Orion's arrogance is, it's a slow progression throughout the game. So, if you play the game at a normal pace, you get eased into it over time, so you don't notice it, or at least don't notice it as much. But, if you start up a new game and skip all the way to when Orion talks about himself while staring at his own reflection in Chinatown in Kredon in 0.7, it is baffling how full of himself he is. So, I agree that Orion needed that to happen to him. Caribdis made the right call. And I was really happy for Orion in 0.8. My man redeemed himself.
 

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I was actually very glad he got that wake-up call (getting shot), and realized he was becoming a major asshole. I was starting to really dislike him, and that showed he was going through a character arc instead of being poorly written. It made me appreciate Caribdis' writing, and like Orion way more than if he had just been a flat character.
Orion has a lot going for himself. He gained a ripped physique essentially overnight (and for free). At the intro, he's got an overseas scholarship to Kredon from a foreign country, he's near or at the top of his academic class. He's likeable, funny, charismatic, and has a large & functional extended, albeit adopted, family. That is excluding two living parents IIRC even though they seem relatively absent.

He's upper middle class and is readily welcomed into a large 5 bedroom (minimum) home where 3/5 residents can easily afford a $2,000 (edit: $3,500) toy in a neighborhood where a small business owner can pass one of those toys off for a community event. Ori can have 2,500 dollars USD in liquid assets in a few weeks without a real job as a highschooler if you play his cards right. He's been gifted in eternum with one in a million magic powers.

Him getting humbled was important. He's got a blessed life. Even in this new update when Jerry is asking for lifting advice, Orion seems annoyed. Jerry's an ass, sure, but even Orion is caught off guard by him asking how he got so huge so fast.

Orion's mission is perilous but the cards have already been stacked in favor of his life before he even started a war in eternum. His nightmare of being an office drone is hilarious irony given how that's exactly how most people with his resources end up.

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Orion has a lot going for himself. He gained a ripped physique essentially overnight (and for free). At the intro, he's got an overseas scholarship to Kredon from a foreign country, he's near or at the top of his academic class. He's likeable, funny, charismatic, and has a large & functional extended, albeit adopted, family. That is excluding two living parents IIRC even though they seem relatively absent.

He's upper middle class and is readily welcomed into a large 5 bedroom (minimum) home where 3/5 residents can easily afford a $2,000 toy in a neighborhood where a small business owner can pass one of those toys off for a community event. Ori can have 2,500 dollars USD in liquid assets in a few weeks without a real job as a highschooler if you play his cards right. He's been gifted in eternum with one in a million magic powers.

Him getting humbled was important. He's got a blessed life. Even in this new update when Jerry is asking for lifting advice, Orion seems annoyed. Jerry's an ass, sure, but even Orion is caught off guard by him asking how he got so huge so fast.

Orion's mission is perilous but the cards have already been stacked in favor of his life before he even started a war in eternum. His nightmare of being an office drone is hilarious irony given how that's exactly how most people with his resources end up.

Finance lackey at dullcorp, subsidiary of daddysmoney-boringhaus capital.
Wait hold on. For context, I haven't played nor seen any of 0.8 past Annie's scene with Room Service. I am completely blind to whatever happens after that. Do Orion and Jerry not become cool with each other? I was always under the impression that they did. Based on what Reddit has said, I always thought Jerry became a much more likable guy who worked with Orion a lot better in 0.8. Does that not happen? Did my boy Jerry, who never did anything wrong, not become cool with Orion? D:
 
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Wait hold on. For context, I haven't played nor seen any of 0.8 past Annie's scene with Room Service. I am completely blind to whatever happens after that. Do Orion and Jerry not become cool with each other? I was always under the impression that they did. Based on what Reddit has said, I always thought Jerry became a much more likable guy who worked with Orion a lot better in 0.8. Does that not happen? Did my boy Jerry, who never did anything wrong, not become cool with Orion? D:
Oh he becomes cool. It's just that he kinda is a bit obnoxious at the beginning of the event where he's involved.
 

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Wait hold on. For context, I haven't played nor seen any of 0.8 past Annie's scene with Room Service. I am completely blind to whatever happens after that. Do Orion and Jerry not become cool with each other? I was always under the impression that they did. Based on what Reddit has said, I always thought Jerry became a much more likable guy who worked with Orion a lot better in 0.8. Does that not happen? Did my boy Jerry, who never did anything wrong, not become cool with Orion? D:
Oh he becomes cool. It's just that he kinda is a bit obnoxious at the beginning of the event where he's involved.
Well, he is still Jerry, after all. They're teamed up, but Jerry's gonna be Jerry.
 

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Orion's mission is perilous but the cards have already been stacked in favor of his life before he even started a war in eternum.
Considering there are forces at play that want Orion to succeed and are paving the path that he's currently on (except for that one moment in 0.7 where he went catastrophically off rails), I would actually be surprised if the odds AREN'T somehow stacked in his favor.
 

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Orion going to the gym to cheer for dalia as she lifts iron and fights kickboxing matches. Orion definitely the girlfriend in this relationship.
Nuts. I can hardly play the game without punching my screen because of this GigaSimp. Have to take a break every 10 minutes and rant about him here to keep enduring playing this otherwise good game lol.
We may think of different scenes when thinking of him, and I don't know how he behaves later, but I just read the beach scene with dalia before her first BJ - and it was pain inducing. Its nonstop giving cringe compliments to get sex. Thats simping. Then it continues with reading all these messages on his phone. Constant buttering them up in hope to get sex. Penelope: "Which picture do you like more?" Orion: "Every picture looks great if such an awesome woman is in it." Please kill me. The cringe. Then the nightmare where he wakes up in the corpse room of an hospital. Dead girl asks him if he pushes the button (1/7th chance of saving his big love, 6/7th chance of dying himself). Orion: "Of course!!" He's such a pussy slave.
Never seen a leading man in a VN outside Cosy Cafe and Our Fate.

No offense to you, but that guy is really a pain for me to watch. Surefire way to get friendzoned. What rape games do you mean for example?
This bypasses how Caribdis uses these elements to serve plot and characterisation.

Dalia's established as a gym freak and competitive in school physical education too, while Orion's an exchange student to Kredon for his academic results, not his athleticism. This makes Dalia the far likelier character to do competitive sports and matches, while Orion has to restart his gym routine.

The simplistic reading of Orion as a cringe simp relies on a partial selection of examples, but his interactions show a wider palette. Luna's arc's full with friendliness and helping without whiteknighting. Annie becomes a real option as a partner only till after the Red Herring. The sex in Penny's arc happens because both teasingly flirt and get carried away. There's plenty of relaxed banter with Dalia, Penny and Alex, too. To give a few examples relying less on single anecdotes.

Eternum's narrative and romantic plot resembles a bildungsroman: Orion has to undergo character development and cultivate emotional intelligence, despite the headstart from his origins. He transitions from a horny virgin to surprise success to the WRE's flawed, reckless champion leaning to a bad boy to becoming a more emotionally mature heroic figure. This achieves Caribdis's goal for Eternum to have a more anchored harem formation. An alternative storyline where he becomes more of a playboy/bad boy is possible in theory, but less likely and matches the Hero's Journey-like plot less and fit a less vanilla fetish orientation.

It's clear Orion doesn't match your gender ideal and yes he could've maybe had more chill or more of a gym routine at the start - if that served Caribdis's story purposes: but he doesn't have, and repeated posting of those variations on the same theme, and I suggest your lens leads you to a selective reading, doesn't achieve much. Like MAGO-DAG already said.

I was actually very glad he got that wake-up call (getting shot), and realized he was becoming a major asshole. I was starting to really dislike him, and that showed he was going through a character arc instead of being poorly written. It made me appreciate Caribdis' writing, and like Orion way more than if he had just been a flat character.
Is he btw worse in this way on the full harem path, like in some LIs' arc than in others'? Like I mean, I doubt in a narratively significant way, it won't impact the wider plot, of course, but does flavour text or specific LI arcs make him look worse? Beyond the fixed sections of the gem hunt where he already "shines" in that way.

Probably more of a question for a loredwarf. :KappaPride:
 
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