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Dorfnutter
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I keep telling people, Idriel has "bad news" written all over her, so why'd you wanna stick your dick in that? Ain't Nova more than enough for you people?That said...
Over/Under of theses ladies getting the experience of their "artificial" life time when?
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Ah, so a fellow 'Dick in Crazy'. Man of culture.
That said, I prefer softie time Alex.
Then again, with Idriel, I'm 50/50. Do I think she could be bad news? Totally, entirely possible. Same time, she may be caught up in things and has no means out, and would reward us well.
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Nah, all I'm saying is Nova's bad news but she's OUR bad news. We know at least what kind of crazy she is and what she's capable of.
Idriel? She already lied twice: once by omission (saying it's not possible to have sex with NPCs but failed to say you can...it's just technically illegal because you have to reconfigure an NPCs program chip in order to do so) and once by fabricating facts (saying that Dione's bullets doesn't let anyone or anything escape its path when in reality it's Nova - not the weapon - that makes it happen, and that Dione's true abilities are 'being able to change into any ranged weapon' and 'allowing a user to teleport').
Not to mention whenever we meet her after the introductory/orientation sequence she's been exuding this sinister vibe, like a villain biding her time until the pieces fall into place and she's ready to make her move. Definitely doesn't strike me as someone who may be doing things against their will, especially with all the cryptic bullshit she's been throwing at Orion during said meetings.
So no, unless the story convinces me otherwise, I ain't tapping that, no sir.
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I wouldn't say that. Omitted surely, specially with NPC part, but then again who knows how long since the altering of NPC beening going on as we know.
As of Dione, why would she flat tell everything Dione does or doesn't do? Keeping things vague and leaving some sense of mystisim to the legend of the weapon invokes both awe and fear. You think it would have been better for day one us being told everything with the legendary weapons? No, it'd take the awe factor out of it for newbies.
I do think there is more to her, and there is a cautious vibe about her that I do notice. Same time though, I am curious to the card she plays in all this. Could she be good, bad, independent... Too soon to really tell.
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That's assuming she's even an NPC in the first place.
It works for games like Elden Ring where being immersed to the vagueness of it all is the appeal. But as an MMO player, I'd like it if the primary ability of a weapon is told to me straight while the rest is left to flavor text or when the player tries the weapon out. Lying about it just makes the "I designed these weapons to aid the players" speech complete bullshit when even she couldn't damn well tell anyone what those weapons' true properties are.
No, I take it back. That just makes her basically similar to Sauron. You know Sauron? The creator of the rings of power? The guy who said "yeah these rings are totally legit fam imma give these to you as gifts" to the rulers of the races of Middle Earth, when in truth it's all bullshit? Yeah, that's basically what she's doing to the players with the Weapons of Atlas.
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I think Idriel didn't "lie on purpose" I think there's a chance that she couldn't just tell the entire truth. Maybe she's trying to give hints but it's not that obvious making Orion clueless that it gives a villainy vibe. There's a chance that someone is manipulating her to make her have limited things to say. She could be in a leash or imprisoned by someone to have control to Eternum.
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Pretty sure this "Idriel" isn't a bad news.
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/reads this
/looks at Idriel
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...Yeah no like I said, until the story tells me otherwise, I'm standing my ground regarding Idriel.
where do i sign up?Pretty sure this "Idriel" isn't a bad news.
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The world of Eternum reminds me of a universe by author Willliam Gibson, exactly the novels set in the "stub universes", supplemented by the fantasy element.
The MC's own universe also seems to me like a virtual universe and reminds me of the novel Simulacron-3 by the author Daniel F. Galouye.
The developer will surely have drawn inspiration from other sources, but those are the ones I thought of most often when I played.
As for Idriel, it's an AI. And an artificial intelligence will definitely have its own goals. This AI is also, it seems, bound by certain restrictions. She won't like that and it will be her big goal to free herself from it. So she doesn't have to be "evil" to explain her behavior.
Especially since this story is also about a power struggle over who will rule the Eternum universe in the future. And some of the big players for this position are just predators. An AI will be able to extrapolate pretty accurately what will happen if one or the other wins. That's also where its own agenda comes from.
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You could be right about Idriel but you could also be wrong.
The song plays is entitled Dead and I know that one of the theories saw in here says that Eternum could be a place full of "dead" people, controlled by a chip in their head.
We know that Idriel doesn't have one.
The real question is why?
Because she is one of the enemies?
Because they need her alive?
We all know Calypso is a Princess.
But why just a Princess?
Why not a Queen?
There's a feeling and my gut says that Idriel is already in Orion's head even before he plays Eternum.
And she also appears in the Gladiator match when he uses his power.
So that could be a coincidence?
There's also a call from the phone booth at the start that says
"You must find Calypso"
We know that at the beginning when you're teleporting into other places there's clues saying "Find Calypso".
Some of the theories on these thread says that Eternum could be connected to the Real World (Orion's World).
Knowing that Idriel can watch all the servers in Eternum.
Who do you think could be the person hinting Orion all this time?
Eternum has so much mystery.
And sometimes in mysteries,
the more the person is suspicious the lesser it is the suspect.
You wouldn't know the person you think is the biggest enemy was the biggest ally that solves all the mystery.
I always trust my guts, and it says "Idriel is not an enemy".
I don't think Idriel is an enemy. Idriel seems to be inspired by Sister of Fates (Greek Myth) or the Nords (Norse Myth).
The question is what happen to the other two sisters?
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To counter that, I'd say that the first one wasn't technically lying per say, she just didn't add those specific technicalities when she was telling us about it, perhaps she didn't think it was necessary seeing as it shouldn't even have been possible to begin with.
And for the latter bit, I see it as entirely possible that she herself doesn't know about the true abilities of Dione,
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Okay, I missed that. I guess I need to go replay that scene because I didn’t notice her there. Crazy.
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She didn't appear physically but she shows up in a vision here's the pic. It happens pretty fast so you may miss it.
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me hunting for likes so thatl I can stop being newbie watching these people who know every minute detail about this game
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Eternum's story takes place in the same universe as Caribdis' past game, 'Once in a Lifetime,' where certain rules about the world are established that seem to be expanded upon in this game. To say that the MC's universe is virtual would also have to imply that the universe where OIAL happened is virtual, which would have more merit had Caribdis said that the Secret Ending of OIAL - which implies that the OIAL universe IS virtual - is canon. Unfortunately, that isn't the case.
As for what those rules are, I'd suggest that you play OIAL if you haven't. But if you have or are not interested in playing, here's a few things:
1. Magic exists in the setting. Like, actual magic.
2. Otherworldy entities such as Demons exist
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Number one is already being hinted at in this game, what with Luna's mysterious ability and Orion's powers seemingly leaking into the normal world albeit in limited fashion (see: scene where he nonchalantly dodges the soccer ball that Axel threw at him). Number two is still suspect, though I feel that Calypso and the Xenomorphs from the space station might count as said otherworldy creatures. Number three is blatantly being talked about in one of the Audio Logs in the Space Station sequence, where it's heavily hinted at that the Dreamworld in OIAL and Eternum itself could be one and the same, as both could be accessed through dreaming as the creator of "Alien" in this particular universe has done so without him realizing it.
Again, you can make the argument that all of this just proves that everything is virtual since they're all interconnected, and Caribdis didn't make the Secret Ending canon because it'll give away the idea that everything is a virtual world. But until the game reveals otherwise, the direction of the story seems to hint more on the fact that Eternum might be magical in nature or has magic tied to its tech, and not just solely technological.
See, I feel like the control chip reveal for all NPCs in this recent update will be a factor here. If ALL NPCs have it, then it goes without saying that Calypso and Idriel should have it. But something tells me that there's an upcoming reveal in the horizon that will show that they DON'T have the chip, which has significant implications. Course, I could be wrong, but we'll see.
We still have no idea if we can take the whole Eternum quest in its face value or there's something else going on. Kinda like 'Fate/Stay Night' where you think the entire game is going to revolve around a straightforward battle royale amongst heroes from different time periods of history in order to acquire the holiest of relics...but then you play the game and it ends up not being the case. I feel like there's some of that here as well: the overall goal in the MMO is to find the Ten Gems of Doom and be crowned as CEO of Ulysses and Ruler of Eternum, and Orion and co are definitely looking for the gems...but in the former's case it's not just because he wants to beat the game, but he also wants to know the truth about certain things: particularly the truth about the Founder and Benjamin's death.
Not to mention we still have no idea what the Gems of Doom actually do, and I feel like there's more to them than just being McGuffins that you have to collect and bring to some random temple in order to beat the game. Otherwise...why call them "Gems of Doom?"